This is my first old car/truck project.

It's a 1970 GMC 1/2 ton shortbox 4wd. Theres no motor in it, but theres a turbo 350 automatic with a B&M ratchet shifter on the floor and a NP-205 transfer case. I got it for $1500 bucks (talked him down from $2500), I'm not really sure if that was a good deal or not, you guys can be the judge of that.

I'm in the process of converting it over to a 67/68 Chevy front end. So its all tore apart right now, and I'm getting ready to start putting replacement panels in the cab (corners, supports, rockers, outer floor). Ive also got some of the frame in the front cleaned up and painted with por-15 and some of the firewall has been cleaned up and painted with rustoleum black paint

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Looks like a good deal to me. I would have bought it for 1500.00. I think it will be a sweet truck with the 67/68 clip on it.
I use to have one with a lift kit on it. I loved the way it looked but it rode stiff. It didn't handle very good at all..

brake hose looks a little short in the rear...or it may just look like that in the picture.

Sorry,it sucks to take something as rare as that short K/1500 GMC and cobble it into a 5x more common Chevy.Especially in rusty old Syracuse.Don`t be too offended,it`s just my opinion and your truck.Just disrespectful IMO.You couldn`t find a Chevy?

I couldn't find shortbox chevy or gmcs around the area anywhere, I wasn't even really looking for a 4wd, but this is what I found so I'm gonna use it as a platfrom to build what I want.

Are GMC K-1500's that rare anyways? If so, I'll trade with some one for a 67/68 chevy shortbox truck:)

Oh and no offense taken. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, especially on this site. I respect what all of you have to say. There are so many very knowledgable people on this site.

I wouldn't call it disrespectful. I would do the same because I do not care for the look of the GMC. I would look for a Chevy, but if the GMC grill was the only thing stopping me from having the truck I wanted, I'd change the grill. Just my .02

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I don't want to sound like the thread police but you should probably edit your first post and remove the part about the GMC stuff being for sale. The board rules say you have to be a paid member to post things for sale and the stuff has to be posted on the "parts for sale" board. This is not a flame just a heads up so your thread doesn't get locked.....

LockDoc

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I agree its your project do what you want with it but the GMC 4x4 SWB is a rate animal make sure to pay your money and change your name to blue so the rest of us GMC parts vultures can help you unload those parts lol

I like the Chevy front ends better too. And personally (my opinion) I doubt these trucks will ever be as collectible as similar year cars, so I wouldn't worry about doing whatever you want to it. You wont be retiring on the proceeds of the sale when you are 60.

The thing I like best about your truck is the seats...I would love to have a set of those. Go ahead and ship em out to me if you like. Heck I would even pay for you to become a paying board member. :lol: Ok, I guess thats not the best deal for you considering it only costs 25 bucks.

What do you mean? "the GMC 4x4 SWB is a rate animal make sure to pay your money and change your name to blue"

GMC trucks are cooooooooooooooooooooooooool:metal: , just like their brother's Chevrolet:metal:

sorry ment rare animal and the change your name to blue was a reference to becoming a board member to be able to sell the parts. I have yet to sell anything but the info on this site was well worth the $25 I spent

I just don't like the Gmc grill as much as chevy. to each his own. I would just go with what I like, and if later on the truck is worth 20 times more as a gmc...It is still a gmc and nothing is stopping you from changing it back. By the time it is worth sooooo much more it may be time to have a new paint job anyway.
You probably won't find people lining up to trade you. If you do maybe you can swap it for a truck in better condition or have the other person throw in some $$$$ for the trade because it is soooooooooo much more rare. But I realy don't think that it is rare enough that someone will do that. I don't know alot about production numbers or survivors but are the GMC shortbeds really that much more rare than a 67/68 chevy shortbed 4x4. I would bet that if a gmc guy wanted to trade you and you asked for +$ the gmc guy would say that the gmc wasn't worth more than chevys

i sure wish mine was a gmc,if was still in ny i would sure trade you a 67 short box 2wd fo it, but it's a little to far for me to transport.i do have to get out that way to see my family sometime though. good luck on your build whatever you decide to do. if it were me i'd loose the lift and stay with the 4 eyes

I just don't like the Gmc grill as much as chevy. to each his own. I would just go with what I like, and if later on the truck is worth 20 times more as a gmc...It is still a gmc and nothing is stopping you from changing it back. By the time it is worth sooooo much more it may be time to have a new paint job anyway.
You probably won't find people lining up to trade you. If you do maybe you can swap it for a truck in better condition or have the other person throw in some $$$$ for the trade because it is soooooooooo much more rare. But I realy don't think that it is rare enough that someone will do that. I don't know alot about production numbers or survivors but are the GMC shortbeds really that much more rare than a 67/68 chevy shortbed 4x4. I would bet that if a gmc guy wanted to trade you and you asked for +$ the gmc guy would say that the gmc wasn't worth more than chevys

The reality is that if even if the GMC is rarer, the Chevy is more desireable to the masses, and will worth more money restored. The nicest SWB big block powered Grande Sierras do not bring the quite the money that a similiar condition Cheyenne Super will...

I totally agree..... "The reality is that if even if the GMC is rarer, the Chevy is more desirable to the masses, and will worth more money restored."......
IMO it will stay that way for years to come.
I see rants about changing GMCs to chevys from time to time. BUT I've seen many trucks on here sell parted out, and then sent to the crusher that was really a shame to part out. Some in much much better shape than what board members have for projects or more rust free than the GMCs that are being changed over....a rant for changing a grill radiator support and tailgate but none for a perfectly good truck being destroyed...
Turning a truck into what you like verses turning a buck.

Im glad you like the seat CG. I like them too besides the fact that the previous owner welded them to the floor so where they sit is where they stay unless I cut them off, the seats dont slide or anything they're just fixed right there. Luckily where they are fits me.

Does anyone know what those seats are out of. Someone told me they look like seats out of a 69 camaro.

As far as the lift is concerned, I believe there is just blocks under the leaf springs in the front and back so it wouldn't be tough to take those out. I may do that, but its the least of my worries right now. I just wanna get the thing fixed and put back together and throw an engine in it so I can drive it next summer. It's my project on the weekends. I come home almost every weekend from school to work on it, and I have parts in my townhouse that Im working on like the fenders and grill. Im also gonna start taking advantage of my schools utilities for sandblasting and stuff. (RIT has good stuff)

Who said anything about money?Are we investors or enthusiasts?That`s where my "disrespectful" comment comes from.And,as far as the masses that like the more abundant Chevys,yet can`t appreciate the simular GMCs,buy a Chevy.Chevys out style all American vehicles out there in my opinion.All the GM cars seem to be a Chevy that they changed something on to make it a Pontiac,Buick,or Olds.But,I don`t see people changing Cutlass,Lemans,or Skylarks to Chevelles.There are choices and most go Chevy,car or truck.There`s something cool beyond whether one grille looks better than a Chevy when it comes to having W-3,GS Stage,or GTO HO over and SS454 just like having a loaded Sierra Grande over a Cheyenne Super.Not everyone gets it.
All shortbed 4wds are somewhat rare.GMCs were built somewhere in the 1:5 ratio to Chevys.Is Ragamoes black truck in "Trucks For Sale" undesireable to most?Would you change that grille?That truck is awesome and to an investor ever bit as desireable,if not more,as a Cheyenne Super.

When it comes down to it,we`re all keeping these alive and that`s what counts.Just as we change them to our liking they can be changed back.Well except for the hacked-up frame draggers.

I feel the Boyd Coddington reference is a moot point, since IMO, he is a total idiot and a-hole. Why tear up a complete Model T when you can buy repro bodies all day that are LESS WORK??? Judging from the last episode where the girl they hired got fired (because she was working on Boyd's trophy wife's (time to trade her in for a newer model, Boyd) car, his wife is a BEE-OTCH as well. After that episode, I took AMerican Hotrod off the DVR list. THat show has"JUMOED THE SHARK". I am tired of seeing rich a- holes write a check and claim a car as "MINE".

Back on subject, my dad and I just got through with a 71 GMC SWB step, 350 L6, 3 on tree, no options, radio delete. We started to change the front to a Chevy, as we had to replace the fenders anyway, and had the grille rechromed, but changed our minds. We like having something different and got quite a few + comments on it being a GMC at the first Make a Wish show we entered last weekend. I will try and get time to post pics soon.

Sorry, I meant to say American Hotrod has "JUMPED THE SHARK"

Hey jarosss4r I'm a third year Engineering Technology student at RIT, I really like it up there and they've helped me get a real good job. My summer co-op at Delphi has turned into a part-time job during the school year then back to full time when my next block comes up. I get to work on fuel cell research at delphi which is something i never imagined getting involved on, so ive benefitted from RIT so far. And your right about all the toys RIT has, all the stuff they have is pretty impressive. But between, classes, work, and this truck I stay real busy so im not getting into to much trouble, which is probably good.

hey if you need something while your in rochester give me a hollar i am always working on something .I like chevy front ends to but the gmc front ends are growing on me specialy when they are attached to a jimmy :welcome2:
names Todd

Hey Todd, thats rel nice of you, if you end up needing some gmc stuff i just may have what you need so let me know. How close are you to RIT, I really only know the henrietta area out here although ive gone down to the delphi plant in the city a few times for work things so im starting to know the city a little.

Oh an of course, I know where the dinosaur barbeque is

Woz,
What part of Syracuse? It was my stomping grounds when I was younger (grew up on the north shore of Oneida Lake)....

Actually I live in Central Square. I just put syracuse cause i figured people would know where that is. So im not to far from the north shore of oneida lake. Maybe you know the area.

I can't type worth s**t...

"250 L6" not "350 L6"

Ha thats awesome about the beer pong, I'm no pro like you guys but I can hold my own.
Thats cool that your son got hired before he even graduated, Im hoping I can work a deal like that with Delphi, we'll see.

And Ill keep everyone updated on my GMC soon to be Chevy project

I understand you like to keep them somewhat original, and after reading over your post I understand what you ment by disrespectul.. but...
So a Chevy grill on a gmc=disrespectful
A "hacked-up frame draggers"==disrespectful
But strip a perfectly good truck and send it to the crusher= Respectful as long as I need a part off of it.?.?.????
Wouldn't you consider by taking or buying parts from a gmc. From a truck that isn't in that bad of shape. A truck that is restorable or could make a good daily driver MORE disrespecful? There are a limited number of these trucks out there. I would assume that you wouldn't pass up a good gmc part that's cheap from someone who is parting out a good truck....Something tells me you would snatch it up without a single rant...

Hey thanks for the invite jaro. Sounds like a good time

And man did i stir some s**t up by telling everyne im switching my gmc to a chevy lol

Woz05- Thanks for being so understanding with all the verbal abuse your receiving. Since it's your truck, you should build it as you see fit.

Guys, lets let this GMC/Chevy issue go. This is a build thread that your cluttering up with your personal opinions that were not asked for.

Color me gone.... 3 hours ago it was in the truck forum, use guys deemed it a build thread without a bolt turned

sorry guys,
I didn't see any verbal abuse. I didn't even see it as an argument. Just a discussion/debate.
sorry for jacking the post.....this wasn't in the build thread when it was first posted.
Woz05...quick do some work on your truck and post some pictures so this is in the right forum.....
just kidding

I didn't move it here, but with the title being "My first project" this is where it should be. Regardless of what forum it originated in the debate on how he builds it became excessive considering he did not ask anyone's opinion on whether he should keep the GMC front clip.

ive got one of the fenders down to bare metal, now i need to weld the trim holes closed, weld the marker light area closed, and figure out what to do over the pitted looking areas. Por-15 then paint over that? etching primer? any suggestions are welcome

Since you are down to raw metal, it needs to be sealed. Once you have cleaned it thoroughly go with a sealer/etching primer. You can use a filler on the welded areas, and a filler primer on the rest.

Color me gone.... 3 hours ago it was in the truck forum, use guys deemed it a build thread without a bolt turned

funny, I didnt think it was your build post to worry about :)

Ya'll play nice and keep it on topic without the silliness please

Where do you go to get sealer/etching primer, I looked at advance auto parts last night and all they had was duplicolor etching primer. Is that any good.

Also, is etching primer/sealer one product or is it a two step thing. put down etching primer then sealer. I've never painted anything from raw metal up so you'll have to break it down for me.

Could you guys give me exact product names that you use too, i dont wanna buy crappy stuff and have to end up redoing this in a few months.

go to any automotive paint store if you know where brighten henretta town line rd is (one over from jefferson )near winton its called paintmasters they could tell you exactly what you need and maybe even have it in a rattle can .Heres their #585-475-1200 .

Hey thanks a lot, I know that road so I shouldn't have any trouble finding it. Maybe Ill just go there with the fender and see what they say to use on it.

do you have an air compressor at home if its a decent size you can get a small hand held sand blaster for like 40.dollers i typically sand blast any rust areas i have to make sure its all gone .

I have a compressor at home but not out here in rochester. Out in rochester I dont really have to much to work with.
I'd like to set up an area in the basement of our townhouse to do painting, maybe get a small compressor from harbor freight, and learn how to paint with a spraygun.

Do you think it would get rid of those pitted looking areas? 80 grit sandpaper didnt get rid of them

funny, I didnt think it was your build post to worry about :)

Ya'll play nice and keep it on topic without the silliness please

Sorry, but I don't get it. Are you telling me every reply has to contain something with the word or words involving trucks

no, but between the posts you deleted and your telling us what to do with the post.. you need to drop the bs and stay on topic.This is someones post about their truck, not your free for all.

Sorry, but I don't get it. Are you telling me every reply has to contain something with the word or words involving trucks
Please stay on topic mostly, if you go off topic and start a fight that is when the problem starts. Keep it civil and don't inform those that make the rules and forums of how to od their job and you'll be ok. I'm sure if in your job, some customer came in and told you you were doign everythign wrong you wouldnt like it and likely would know the correct way of doing it instead of the way they were saying.

Josh

sorry for the off topic bs in the post guys.

Please stay on topic mostly, if you go off topic and start a fight that is when the problem starts. Keep it civil and don't inform those that make the rules and forums of how to od their job and you'll be ok. I'm sure if in your job, some customer came in and told you you were doign everythign wrong you wouldnt like it and likely would know the correct way of doing it instead of the way they were saying.

Josh

sorry for the off topic bs in the post guys.

Ok, I think I got it. Thanks for the explanation. I just went back and read the rules and other stuff 3 times to see if I could figure out what I was doing wrong.

He was a new member and I thought thru conversation I could make him feel at home on this informative site! He seemed to have a lot in common with me and I guess I should've went to PM's sooner. I'm new to this stuff, and I will try to keep this mind. I hope I hav'nt stepped on any toes, and if I did I'm truly sorry...

This is the first time I've bin in trouble. J

no, but between the posts you deleted and your telling us what to do with the post.. you need to drop the bs and stay on topic.This is someones post about their truck, not your free for all.

I deleted my posts because nu2trux said I was taking up to much space

You missed my point, because I started talking to him on the truck forum and I thought it would be Ok to continue the conversation, then when I realized it was now a build thread, the damage was dun

I would NEVER tell anyone how to do their job, that was not my intent, I was trying to explain why I did what I did.

Woz, back on topic.... sorry for the diversion, my bad

Are you sure you want to paint in your town house, this stuff really stinks, try going over to the body shop forum, they may be able to answer your specific questions regarding your fenders. I'm sure that it can be fixed after the surface rust is removed, mechanicily or chemically. I've never put paint on top of mine, but I have used a tar-like matrl., under that is a weldable primer, something with zinc, I guess in it JMHO J.

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Don't know if this will be of any help, but

Mechanical tech, wow good choice! Can never have to many of them around

I am slightly confused is your truck in rochester or is it in syracuse ? cause man if in rochester bring it on i can give you a hand i know i could always use one .ok sorry no me chatter from me on you build thread .later

C-1072 my truck is in the syracuse area but I bring different parts back and forth all the time to work on, so I can still get some stuff done on the truck while I'm at school, like the fenders.

But like I said I don't have a welder or sandblaster or anything out in rochester so if you'd be willing to help me out with stuff or show me how to do some stuff, (I have close to zero welding experience) it would be greatly appreciated. I wouldn't mind giving you a hand with your project(s) either, I enjoy working on stuff, especially theses trucks.

Oh and I don't care if you guys talk about random stuff on my build thread, i like hearing what you guys have to say.

sweet pm me some time and i will call you I got a shop in the city i use to work on cars as far as sand blasting if you need small stuff done i have a blast cabinet or next time i do some big stuff let me know what you need done i can probably just do it then . As far as those spots on the fender its not a problem at all .twist a wrench crack a beer its all good to me .

There is a welding class at RIT, you mite want to look into it. One of the sons took it and said it was good J.

Yeah Im hoping I can fit that into my schedule for the winter quarter

Yeah Im hoping I can fit that into my schedule for the winter quarter

I'm pretty sure its off campus

Here's some updates as to the state of my truck, and i think my cab is a chevy cab so i think im just turning a chevy back into a chevy not "raping" a GMC lol

Some more pictures. Can you guys tell if this is a small window cab. I looked at a 69 GMC for sale the other day and the rear window just looked huge compared to mine

That's a big back window. The pic below of my '67 C-30 is a small window. The flat glass windows look bigger than the slider you have in your's. Maybe that was the difference.

Yeah that must be it, the one i looked at was a flat glass one.
Thanks

Woz, nice progress. Keep it up... J.

hey buddy, nice truck, keep it gmc...the gmc grill stands out more than a chevy cuz it has more chrome . im restoring exactly the same truck. ill post some pictures later. good luck.