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I have a '67 in the garage, i can test the brackets for fitment..... :metal: I have to agree with Ken as well, the tolerances are not 100% between all frames..... |
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Its an easy enough fix for me to open them up in the vise to fit my angle. If i have another set, thats just like the ones i have, that doesnt get me anywhere. |
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Jeff, i appreciate the gesture, but you cant rectify an issue if its not your (CPP's) fault. I really dont need another set of these brackets unless they are different.
That's why i asked you in my PM what the engineering calls this angle out to be. Surely somewhere at CPP you have a design drawing that you give to your vendors so they can bid on and build the part for you. If these parts are made in-house, you would have the same drawing somewhere. It may be easier for you to send me another set, than to go find and read a blueprint. But another set of brackets that arent going to fit my frame is a waste of CPP's inventory and shipping costs. |
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I agree 2000%.... I would bolt the ***** on and go. As far as preloading the bracket and stud and bolting it together, I wouldnt get overly concerned with it. When you tighten it down it shoud suck it all together. As far as deflating it and worrying about loading it up even worse... I hate to tell you but if your shock is bottoming out before the bags or the bumpstop.... it wont matter cause it will eventually rip that mount out anyway. |
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The shocks will not bottom out when I air out. I have 10" between mounting bolts and the shocks go to 9.6" compressed. Quote:
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So if we are measuring the BS in the thousands of %, I disagree 5000%. you guys sound like randy off american idol. |
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Is this different stud canted or bent? If not its the frame that is dictating the angle so they may not help.
If you think they will work, you can send them and i will try them out. If they dont work, I'll send them back. If they do i will send you the ones i have back. Quote:
i hate how he always says..."one thousand a million percent yes, your going to Hollywood." or something like that......not that i watch american idol.....by choice. |
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"The shocks will not bottom out when I air out. I have 10" between mounting bolts and the shocks go to 9.6" compressed."
Thats Money.... like mine on a craps table.... |
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Well Jeff for the record, mine fit perfect, I only had to drill the lower hole on each of mine ... I was a bit concerned before the install because the shock mount is usually one of those areas that 3/4 tons are different, but good match. Thnx CPP:metal:
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PM sent, Jeff.
If there really are different shock studs and brackets for these trucks, i agree... Quote:
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I highly recommend these shocks, a bit pricey, but they are worth it. Jeff, doesnt CPP sell these? http://www.racecardynamics.com/class...ag/airride.htm |
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I think Jeff meant to say mono-tube, not twin tube. The mono-tube allows the use of a bigger valve inside the shock, which gives it better performance, especially for our heavy old trucks.
Steve at Race Car Dynamics told me that RCD designed the valving and Bilstein makes them for them. How true that is...I dont know. I have the bilsteins up front and I am still running cheap Monroe Sense-a-Tracs in the back. I can really tell the difference and will soon be putting the RCD Bilsteins in the back. Jeff is sending me the different brackets and studs. I will see if this helps my situation...... |
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Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I ordered these same brackets and I'm having the same issues. I contacted Jeff and he didn't get back to me for 2 weeks, So I emailed him again about this issue and ask if he had gotten with Danny as he cc'd the first email to Danny! Well my out come isn't what I was expecting to hear after offering to send these back. Here's the how to fix the issue I got from Jeff that Danny supposedly told him to tell me to do! I think this was discussed in this thread that what I'm being told to do is put my frame in stress and that is what these brackets were designed to eliminate right?
I'm also having issue's with the 1''-2'' front drop black magic shocks the bushing doesn't fit into the lower stock control arms. I just need to get these pressed out without damaging them and face them off about 1/8''-3/16'' to get them to slide into the lower control arm shock mount....Need Help SOS.... Also I got all CPP Tubuler rear kit I'm thinking about letting go of and going with Early Classic Enterprises stuff instead.... Kevin I spoke to Danny and he said that what you want to do is bolt them in place but leave all bolts loose at first, don’t tighten down one side first rather tighten all bolts down in sequence and you should be fine. Does this make sense what I am saying?? Jeff Norton Classic Performance Products, Inc. www.classicperform.com And here is a copy of the email I sent Jeff regauarding the shocks and the shock support bracket! Hey bro, I am having this issue with the shock brackets. What do you need me to measure or do you want me to send them back? They appear to be the same as the ones in the thread below off the 67-72chevytrucks web site! http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=402507 I had my stock arms powder coated and am having issue's with the front 1-2'' drop shocks as well, the poly bushings do not fit in the lower control arm shock bracket at all, I would have to bend them out of wack to get the shocks to fit and I mean way out of wack to the tune of the stock lower measuring out at 1.330 and the poly bushings measuring out at 1.455-1.460, I checked both ends using a 6'' Brown & Sharpe dial caliper! So some how were off .130 or let just say for grins about 1/8'' of an inch. And even at that you could still machine them a bit smaller for clearance purposes. I was a machinist by trade so I don't see this stuff going un-noticed by others whom have bought CPP products! I have bought well over 2,000 worth of stuff from CPP for my build and just want things to be right. I can press out the bushings and machine them to the proper length but is this very common for someone to have to alter/change a part that is brand spanking new? If you need any pictures I can either post them on the board or email whatever you would need to get this fixed! I can even take measurements and send you a print from AutoCad or even a CNC lathe simple facing and turning program or I can even make one for that little Haas Mill CPP has! I used to run a Haas VF-4 and 5 so just let me know bro! I will send all this stuff back if you want bro. And no I'm not pissed off just trying to get it right seems to take more than what it's worth sometimes if you get my drift. I had planned on buying CPP Arms and the Big Disk Brake setup for the front and rear but damn if I had problems in such a small area and it seems to be such a hassle.I would assume it would be much eaiser to go back stock! Being a Class A Machinist I would strongly measure this stuff before ever marketing it in fear of a bad name especially the little petty stuff thats as simple as using a cheap pair of dial calipers for the "shock'' bushings or a cheap protractor for the shock support brackets! I don't really know bro, I'm leaving this up to you and I know your word is as good as gold in my book. Peace and God Bless, Kev C. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Norton <Jeff@classicperform.com> To: Sent: Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:05 am Subject: RE: 1967 C-10 shock support brackets? Kevin very very odd! I remember that problem a long time ago. I am out of the office this week for the Sema show in Vegas we will gladly send you another set but I would measure them with the salesman because you might get the exact same thing the second time around. Jeff Norton Classic Performance Products, Inc. www.classicperform.com P 714 522-2000 F 714 522-2500 Have you read the latest on CPP? Check out our blog! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kevinchat1@aol.com [mailto:kevinchat1@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 5:45 PM To: Jeff Norton Subject: 1967 C-10 shock support brackets? Jeff, I talked to you before ordering these and had concern about the angle being wrong or the 2 types of shock studs being different not allowing these to work on our year model trucks.I had mentioned this to you because of another board members problem with them on the 67-72ChevyTrucks.com. Bro you told me that CPP messed up on a bunch of them and the problem had been corrected. The one's I got are wrong. I would have to bend the bracket to make it work. Could you please send me the correct one's as these do not workt ake pictures if you want but the brackets measure out at 50 degrees with my L.S Starrett Protractor! I don't know if this info would help you or not. So I'm taking it that CPP didn't toss all the bad ones in stock? Thanks and God Bless, Kev C. I really like the quality of most the stuff from CPP and was actully really considering buying their big brake kit for the front/rear of my build and buying the tubuler upper and lowers but have lost faith in the products they sell due to what I said earlier about the small stuff being so hard to get right and getting ahold of Jeff is like pulling my teeth it's damn near impossible....IDK maybe Danny N is Jeff's boss but I seriously would listen to the customer especially when they have 2,000+ worth of CPP's product going into a build...But I guess the money isn't nothing to a big Mfg company as I know from experiance once the money is their's they don't care if the product works or not! So tighten all CPP's stuff in a numerical sequence and it should work! if not it's your truck that is the only different one and we can't warranty a cracked frame you had powder-coated and spent countless hours preping for the powder! |
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