Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Awesome! Will these be machined specifically for your front suspension, or will they be compatible with stock ball joints?

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Nice..
Did the blue.truck ever get wheals.and tires? Itching to see the stance on this set up

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

We are going to use an OEM upper and a Moog K719 Lower.

Not yet, but we submitted all the specs to American Racing (18"x11") but we won't be ready for a few weeks. We've been working with American Racing and Falken with two other projects and they've been great to work with. Here's a teaser of a photo shoot American Racing coordinated that we did last week with one of the other projects. We pushed the limits on this car (265's on the front of an early Nova:metal:) and we plan to do the same on the C10.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf99c9e32.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdc0d513d.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psac835252.jpg

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Haha, thats not a truck... but I think it will hold me over on my pic craving.

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Dueces are cool......

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

No argument here.

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

A few geometry questions, how do you adjust caster and camber? Shims behind upper control arm cross shaft. If so doesn't this effect the center line that is supposed to run through the center of the cross shaft through the inner tie rod end and down through the lower cross shaft to eliminate bumpsteer? I have been curious about the factory bumpsteer values in comparison to this newer style front end. I noticed the bumpsteer gauge being used but no values. I believe the front ends on the market that have adjustable upper control arms that lengthen or shorten as needed for caster and camber would not alter the bumpsteer values. Anybody ever dig into scrub radius, what backspacing in conjunction with wheel diameter to yield a certain scrub radius value? In the early 80's as a subaru mechanic, the factory advertised zero scrub radius. This was the center of the footprint at the pavement was exactly where the SAI (steering axis inclination) imaginary centerline through the ball joints ran down to the pavement and contacted at exactly the same point as the center of the contact patch of the tire. Our dealership installed aftermarket wheel that were dished outward ( wider track width) and we battled with steering wheel shake, sensitive steering, etc. Reinstalled factory wheels and all problems gone. Obviously manual steering on this application.

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Sorry for the late reply, we just got back from the Street Rod Nationals today.

I forwarded your message over to Sal for a reply. Here is what he said.

"The front end was designed with the front wheel centered and 6 degrees of positive caster. This will equal .015 bump steer(Toe Out) at full compression. The upper control arm mount has 10 degrees of anti-dive. The spindle inclination is 8 degrees which I is the same as the factory spindle and the camber will be adjusted via the shims. There is .5 degree negative gain at 1 inch of bump. We purposely kept the stock track width so the scrub value would be as close to zero as possible. With a wider front wheel the value will change. With a 9.5" x 3.25" back spacing and a 27” diameter tire the scrub radius was 2.25". By eliminating the steering box we will be able to run at least an 11" wheel up front. We made the steering arms bolt on so we could test and make any changes necessary to improve the suspension even further if necessary and run a 15” wheel. -Sal"

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Sal, thanks for taking the time and posting the results. I'm opting to go to about a 29" diameter tire, 20x8 rim with 4" backspace, which if my math is correct will yield just under 1" scrub radius. My next concern will be if the tire will fit inside the wheel well without rubbing. I'm currently running stock new ece coils with a ece 2 1/2" drop spindle, 72 and up thick stock rotors with 15x8 factory rallies with about 4" backspace and a 26 1/2" diameter tire. If you feel the hub face is in the same spot as what you are designing i will take my existing tire and add additional dimension to it and check for rubbing. Thanks again for your help, Brian Fuller

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

We're a couple days behind schedule but here are a couple updates.

The time studies for the crossmember and lower control arms are complete after 10 sets were finish welded.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps63fe7ccf.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps51b64721.jpg

A small but significant change to the Torque Arm.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfc63bdc5.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps580549a7.jpg

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Looking good. Cant wait to see it all together on a truck

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Good to see the progress. How is the truck coming?
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

I was curious how well the fixed/poly Torque arm bushing would work w/the articulating lower links. I guess this answers that question.....

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Great looking product! I think y'all should send it to me and I'll do a time study on how long it takes a regular C10 owner to install :lol:

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

The truck is at a stand still until we finalize the parts. We've been gathering parts for it though and expect it to be done this year.


LOL :ito:


-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Updates? Pricing?

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Pricing was just announced this week. Out of respect for this forum (we still haven't finalized our vendor status) I won't post it here. I will post it on the P/T.com website shortly.

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

I have to say my opinion is the price is 40% too high. I would be very interested at a better price point.

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

so around 10k is what were looking at....hmm

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

I've been working on the Install Manual. Here are a couple teaser shots.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psbada9dab.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps2325d373.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse0cd8736.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps55f2b127.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps749ebce4.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps71df1b99.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6942760e.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb11b3859.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6fc3ff49.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psff560d4b.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps88834a93.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps0bef75f6.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps39435dac.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfc0cd7e0.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psd5383342.jpg


-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Will a shockwave fit in there?
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

:burnout:

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf23660f8.jpg

We will be mocking up a couple different scenarios today. Pics and vids to follow.

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Be interesting on where the frame sits aired out. Ya found a set of wheels for the blue truck yet? Be nice to see it on the ground and get a look at the stance with the suspension at the designed ride height. .
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Oh yeah, I am getting pretty ancy myself to get those pictures. We'll be haning out with American Racing this weekend at a local car show so hopefully we'll nail down the wheel design soon.


Here are some of the pics from the Shockwave mock up yesterday (based on a 26" tall tire). This is with the 2" Ridetech shock extension, I am hopeful the 1" top will clear the control arm cross shaft. This will give another 1.125"-1.25" of compressed travel but will keep the suspension below its designed operating range. I will mock these up today sometime just to know.

Our bumper is bent up on the driver side so the frontal view looks a little off. The driver side is roughly an inch higher than the passenger.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse7993f83.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psba931cd4.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps414dad2a.jpg


Looking underneath the bumper at the crossmember.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps1a7aa826.jpg

This picture is a little deceiving because I couldn't get the camera low enough to get the true height. The crossmember is closer to 1.75".

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6a592b45.jpg

The front frame head just behind the front bumper. Keep in mind that the rear suspension is still at ride height so once it is aired down this height will actually go up.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6edf6753.jpg

This is the front cab mount. Keep in mind that the rear suspension is still at ride height so once it is aired down this height will go down.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps385e52ca.jpg

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Looks good.
jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

I uploaded a short video to Facebook of the Shockwaves cycling. I also put it up on our Instagram page (TCI_Engineering) if you don't have Fb.

https://www.facebook.com/Total.Cost....type=2&theater

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Our shop is busy and full leading up to SEMA so we teamed up with Mark Oja from Custom Rod Garage to help us test fit our IFS on a Square body. This is Mark's personal truck. It is a low mileage, 3rd owner truck that is completely unmolested.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psbc33994a.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7323791c.jpg


The frame rails are taller on the Square body so we will need to rework the upper shock mount and our inner frame plate.


http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps395c4685.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps10e8b7a7.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps99e54664.jpg

The top of the rail is also narrower on the Square body.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps5c2be01f.jpg

So we took a ton of measurements and pictures and we will rework the necessary pieces and try again.

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Any work on the blue truck? Really looking forward to seeing it on the new wheels and getting a look at the stance with a body on the frame.
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

The cab went back on just long enough to mock up headers and steering U-joints. Then Ed went back to work on the 2nd gen Camaro development. We just got word that we were invited back to Optima with our Mustang so now that will dictate a bunch of Ed's time too.

On a positive note, the bed went to the paint shop last week. I will try to put some pressure on the powers that be to get the fenders on so when the bed comes back we can get some ride height shots.

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Sounds like yall have plenty of irons in the fire. Thanks for the update.
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Here is a preview of the Installation Manual for the IFS. I am still working with R&D to come up with a simple way to cut the early ('63-'66) inner panels to clear the shock mount.


http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/pdf...Suspension.pdf


-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Looks good.
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Been a couple of months, any progress on this setup?
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Not much has happened on our truck with lately. The Custom Rod Garage truck pictured above (square body) was also put on hold. That is the same shop that does the Overhaulin show so they pretty much have to drop everything for that. We have one of dealers that stepped up to the plate and will have the first completed truck any day now.

This was from a few weeks back.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps98d84c1f.jpg

We are already shipping the Torque Arm rear suspensions. I should have an official press release for that any day now.

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Thanks for the update. Really looking forward to seeing a completed truck and what issues they come across getting one up and running. Seeing what they do with the steering and exhaust on a LS setup will be interesting.
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

7 month bump.......


We're back on our project C10. The new bed sides are on and we've began cutting/modifying to fit some massive rubber out back.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pspov09l1f.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psxwvgzivk.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscvnhghbs.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszrjxsfyp.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psbhy5nfej.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psszkjor11.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pswfdyhiko.jpg

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

I looked on the site a week or so ago and could not find anything on how this was coming. Good to see it back and making head way.
Jimmy

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Very interesting, thanks for sharing the development process.

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Slowly making progress on fixing all the rust issues and filling holes.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pswxuawvis.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4f6hi07d.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psrfxquo7x.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psywedlkqd.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psw3syzcw0.jpg



http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdvrilsr0.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdfcppstx.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psct8gdtfn.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psjou7itu5.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psed9tpxcm.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psxxermtvj.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdz6d76ma.jpg


Mocked up some Doug's Headers on the LSx. They seem to fit perfectly. These headers are for a Chevelle. Part# D3336-R

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdrnf7b43.jpg

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psnd0eigfi.jpg

-J

Re: TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
 

Looking Good!