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Hey bud, filler is really coming along, looking much better. What i would do know is sand it down to a 120 grit and see where you are from there. That one spot on the back right that is showing should be fine. All dependds on how much is left around it. But normally when i get to that point, just about this point i mean i start with finer grits. I would go from there. Then off to the races you are. But great start Quote:
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Ok, thanks Nuke. I might try that on my next project as there will be a lot of welding and body work required. :lol:
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Thanks for the input guys. After all the sanding yesterday, then digging out from our blizzard today, my back, shoulders and legs are shot. I'll get the finer grit sanding done this weekend. So once that is done, I should be ready to spray the epoxy primer right? I started scuffing the inside of the cab using a red scuff pad and planned on spraying the inside of the cab and the back at the same time.
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I had to work today also. I'll do more sanding this week though. |
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Did more sanding, 80 grit this time and it smoothed out pretty well. Problem is I still have a few high spots, which means more banging, putty and sanding, just to get back to where I'm at now. Frustrating.
I'm glad this is the back of the cab and won't be seen with the bed on, but I'm trying to learn to do it as well as I can here so when I'm doing the bed sides later it looks as good as I can get it. |
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Great looking project! I have to commend on doing the same thing I did back in 1989 after my first "paid" paint job didn't turn out the way I expected for $600 (family deal..go figure). I know that's not much by todays standards but when you only make $6 an hour that's a bunch of cash. BTW, I did all the finish sanding and taping for that one. I figured, no way I'm paying someone to do this if I can figure it out. And you were right when you said your not worried about the actual painting...thats the easiest part of any paint job....almost like a reward for all the hard work building up to it. Nuke has directed you with some really good tips that I had to learn by trial and error. Especially the one about the primer is only for filling sanding scratches. I would recommend using a long sanding block (I think 8") with some high quality 3m 80 grit HERE, then 120 and so on, it will allow you to feather the edges easy. There is a reason that the paint stores charge high $$ for supplies. Most of them are worth the extra cash. I have also heard really good things about the newer body fillers. They are supposed to sand better and not bleed through the paint. Anyway, listen to Nuke he (used) to do it everyday. Good luck! I will be following.
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Spent the day outside or in the garage. First I had to move my parts blazer. It's been sitting in my neighbors driveway for over a month. I couldn't park it where I wanted to because the snow was too deep. But it's moved to a friends place under his A frame hoist set up. So when the time comes I can lift the tub off and get it parted out, swap the tub to my Jimmy, etc. etc. That took a few hours.
Then I warmed up the garage and put on even more putty and did even more sanding. As far as I'm concerned, the back side of this cab is about as straight as I can make it. It's really surprising how unflat the flat areas of these cabs are. Like below the window, it looks flat, but it actually has a slight depression in it that runs all the way across. So just fixing the ends where the dents were wasn't enough. I had to mud it all the way across so it would be flat all the way across. The corners of the cab, behind the door, it looks like a nice even turn in that metal, but it's not. There are flatter spots, etc. Now I know why these things cost so much for body work and repaints. If it was an easy scuff and shoot job, no problem. But if you have to fix anything, it just spreads to everything. Then it just depends on how straight and smooth you really want to make it. Anyway, couple pics of the days work. Did a bunch of cleaning up after the sanding. I was thinking about putting some primer over it finally, but I need to pick up some fittings for the new gun and get it set up the way I want it. Maybe tomorrow, if not, then maybe next saturday. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5553.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5554.jpg |
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Good morning, It's funny you know, when ppl ask how much bodywork and paint cost they get appaled when i tell them, but they do not realize how much time it really takes to do a perfect job, it is more work than ppl know to get something strait. I am to the point in my life now , that i use hardly any filler, i pick and file most everything, if i can.
Well, I am glad that you are working at it, remember patience makes perfect. Do not get frustrated, if you do, walk away for an hour, Return and start again, it will be fine. Anyhow, the back of the cab is starting to take shape, The right cab corner above the bodyline has a few high spots, that will need to be worked some more yet, it will show with primer. The rest looks close, left cab corner looks good, below the windows is close, it will be a little wavy but not bad at all. What kind of primer do you plan on using? If you use a 2k high build you will be ok. might have to prime, sand and prime one more time. Just remember, before prime to have the mud finished off in 180, other wise it will shrink and show through, you live in a climate like me. On a side note, if you have the time, let your truck sit in primer for a month before sanding, this allows the primer to shrink and the job will turn out even better! Harder than most ppl think, and frustrating, I know. It takes a certain kind of person to have the patience to do this. You are doing a great job so far. Do not think otherwise, remember that you are new at this. Also, it gets mush more rewarding in just a bit. Trust me. Congrats on the ambition on getting this done. GREAT JOB!! Talk to you in a bit. Also, remember constructive criticism. Any questions ask. James |
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Thanks for the input James. Yesterday I was at my limit and ready to take the shortcut to primer right then and there, even though in my mind I knew it wasn't quite ready. It's not that I lack patience, it's more that I am anxious to see the end result. Also, with the epoxy primer I can still use filler on it if needed.
The primer I have now is the epoxy primer so I can seal it up. It's in gray, and I plan on using another color for high build primer. But I've been wondering if I should use high build primer first then after sanding/primer/sanding and getting it smooth, then use the epoxy primer. Your thoughts? |
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use the epoxy first, expoxy can not go over high build, and epoxy bonds to bare steel, not high build, you need an etch. so epoxy, finish body fill, high build then.
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Looking good!
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polyester putty, make sure it is a two part
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Picked up polyester putty the other day, along with some finer grit paper. It's been a busy week for work, so wasn't able to get out there until today. The glazing putty is ok, but it sets up real fast and you have to be quick getting it on the body. Went over most of the back side of the cab, sanded with 180 grit and overall, I think I did pretty good for a beginner. I'm getting the hang of it. Hopefully I'll be able to progress faster on other parts once I get past this part.
No pics, it doesn't look much different than the previous ones. Fixed a few more high spots, filled a few more little low spots, sanded. I found a couple very small dimples I need to fill yet, but other than that, it's ready for primer. Don't think I'll do that tomorrow, but probably this next week, if I'm lucky. I'm a little nervous about that. New spray gun, a style I've never had before. Never mixed primer/paint like this before either. I'm not really worried about how it looks, because it is just primer. It will be covered and sanded again anyway. I've got some cardboard to practice on and set the spray pattern up, etc. I'll post pics after primer, good or bad. |
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Good luck spraying the primer. It's always a PITA getting ready to spray because you're so nervous to try and not ruin/spill your material. :lol:
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Anyway, good or bad, here are the pics. Criticism I can take. Try to be helpful if you can. I just want to know what I did wrong, what I did right, what I need to do next. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5564.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5563.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5562.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5561.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5556.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5558.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5559.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5560.jpg |
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Hello, well i just got back from Edmonton and checked in with you, Looks good, but i got a couple questions first. well, my first question is, how big is the tip of your spraygun? It looks a little dry, heavier coats and open up your fluid volume some. How many coats did you put on? How thivk were your coats? either way, it has COLOR! Now let it dry, sand it down and reprime it. Good job!!!
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So it looks ok then for a single coat?
I have a 1.8 tip I think. I wasn't sure how much reducer to use so ended up doing a 8:4:1 mix with the reducer and hardener. It seemed real thin. I should probably use less reducer next time. I was changing my distance a bit and need to stay more consistent with that. To do the top and back of the cab I had 1 cup of primer, plus the reducer and hardener. I don't know how to tell how thick it is. |
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Looks real good to me. You should be able to tell how your body work turned out now for sure. You might want to let it dry a little then start sanding. Don't sweat the runs, thats the only way to learn how to use the gun. Keep it up!
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Met a guy yesterday that was a master body tech. He answered some questions I had, gave me a couple tips and said to call him if I had any more questions. I'm getting my confidence built back up now with encouragement here and elsewhere.
Went out to the garage today and scuffed/sanded the inside of the cab. Sanded a couple spots on the back that I missed before. I have a short work day tomorrow and plan on trying out more primer. I want to shoot the inside and put a second coat on the back and top. That epoxy primer sands like crap BTW. It clogs up the paper almost immediately. Anyone have any tips for that? |
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As planned, more spraying today. I changed the mix up a little to 8:2:1 paint/reducer/hardener and not sure I like it. It was easy enough to control, the pattern seemed ok, no runs, but the texture wasn't good. Looks like orange peel. If I increased the paint it got worse, so I dialed it back down and the droplets were smaller. Added more air and it got better, I think the thinner mix flowed much better. Maybe I'll try 8:3:1 next time and see if I like it better.
Using an HVLP gun is hard for overhead work. Doing the inside cab roof kinda sucked. Might be easier with a smaller cup size. Pretty much got the inside done except the floor. Recoated the back and top. Other than the orange peel texture, I think it turned out good. No sign of the filler spots either. It looks much better. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5566.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5567.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5568.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5570.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5571.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5573.jpg Might be able to see the texture more in this one. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5569.jpg It might look smoother after it dries and shrinks too. I'm not really worried because there is more primer and blocking to do, just stating what I'm seeing. |
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Hmmm, you can actually see the texture more in the pics of the roof. Overall, I'm happy with it.
Time to get it turned around and work on the firewall I guess. I hate to set dates on myself, but I might be able to finish the cab yet this month. |
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It is looking really nice. You might be discouraged due to the texture appearance. But atleast you are learning and figuring out your gun. Atleast it is primer and not paint. No big deal on the primer since you know it will need sanded again to get to your end result. Keep up the great work!
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Got some more garage time today. I found out I can turn the truck around inside the garage using my floor jack. Better light and more room to work this way. Cleaned up a dent on the firewall. Didn't spend too much time on it because I'm not doing anything special under the hood. I had a couple dings on the top side of the rockers, so I got those cleaned up a bit. I mixed up too much filler so pulled out one of the fenders and started getting it straightened out. It will definitely need more work, but I got started and made use of the filler rather than tossing it out. I also tried putting seam sealer in the rain gutter, but I'm not sure I did it right. I might have to clean it out and try again.
Before, with the half inch of filler: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_2143.jpg After with maybe 1/8" filler: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5574.jpg Rockers: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5575.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5576.jpg fender http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5578.jpg seam sealer http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5577.jpg |
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I spent almost the entire day in the garage and barely touched the truck. The mess was just getting too hard to work around and something needed to be done about it. I added another light, which is really helping with the body work. I cleaned up the work benches, got a pile of stuff off my parts washer, rearranged things and made it cleaner than it's been in years.
I even ran my little MIG welder on some exhaust pipe I had around. It's set up with flux core right now and the spatter is really bad. I'd never consider it for body work. I have a gas set up, but no bottle. I really don't have much welding work that needs to be done on this vehicle, but if I do the blazers I might get the bottle and try it out again. Work should be fairly light tomorrow, giving me some time to get back on the truck. There are a few small holes in the firewall I want to clean up. I need to get the gas peddle from the original cab and get it in. I might work more on the fenders since they are sitting there waiting, but might bring a door over from the storage garage and get started on that. Probably no more spraying until next weekend. The pic of todays progress...You should have seen it before... http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5595.jpg |
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Ok, well I sure wish i could see your pics at work today, but otherwise , congrats on getting more done and learning the gun, once you get use to it, it will be fine. As for the garage, everyone needs to clean up, i know it bothers me too some days.
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Ok, now that i am at home and can look at the pics, One helpful hint for the day, The seam sealer, use masking tape to make the line that you want to go around the cab with. On the inside edge and on the outside drip rail so none gets on it. Place your seamsealer and use some rubber gloves, or your finger. Next depending on the type of seam sealer, either wet your fingers with water or thinner, reducer and run your fingers along the seam sealer, just like when you do a bath tub surround. TRhis will give you a nice flowing look and then take the masking tape off right away, DO NOT let it sit there and let the sealer harder, will never look right or lay down right. Nite.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...d/DSC00397.jpg Sits flat like glass. ONLY issue is where it goes down the back. You have to dam it, then when it dries you add caulk to the back... |
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I Have used this stuff lots also, way better than the actuall caulking
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They place where I got mine had a tube of self leveling, but just the one, and I wasn't sure if that would be enough so I got the other stuff. But after using this, I think I should have went with the self leveling. I think mine turned out ok on the vertical sections though.
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Got a couple hours to spend in the garage, so I did a little grinding, a little cutting, a little sanding...
Started working on the driver side door. I had thought it was in pretty good shape. And on the outside it really wasn't bad. The bottom had very small rust spots, but the lower corners were not so good. I probably could have let it go, just cleaned it up real good, seal it up with some kind of rust preventer, but decided I should try and do better than that. I took off the handles, mirror, inside trim, etc. cut off the bottom outside and have to decide how I want to repair the inner part of the door. I have time to think on it, and I'll take a closer look at the other door before I do anything. It started like this: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5604.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5605.jpg Then I cleaned it up with a wire wheel on the makita: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5606.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5607.jpg Then cut off the lower outside part: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5608.jpg Then sanded the rest of the outside to see if anything else was hidden, it was ok. Just a few spots from where the old farm truck mirror was mounted and a small dent. Oh yeah, the lower door hinge is kinda worn too. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5611.jpg I did more sanding on the fender I started on also. Basically scuffing off the second coat of paint and found a couple small repair areas. This will be an easy panel to prep for paint I think. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5609.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5610.jpg The cab isn't done yet, but I didn't really have time to mess with that tonight. I'm going to World of Wheels in St Paul tomorrow with the family. |
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Looking really good there, you know you could just put the truxck together now let is rust a but and call that perfect PATINA, J/K. Anyways keep up the good work and get those patches in there and welded up, should not be too bad at all.
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I read in your posts that you are sanding the epoxy primer. That does suck sanding that. If you need to sand it you can wet sand it with some grease and wax remover and some wet or dry sand paper. If your going to just prime over it you could just scotchbrite it. or recoat and apply a primer over it. Keep up the good work. Scott
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I didn't really plan on any welding repairs from here on out. I thought I would stick with the body adhesive where it was needed. I know it can be done, but I might find a gas bottle for my welder and give another try. The door repairs have thrown me a curve. The flux core just has too much spatter and heat to mess with on a long straight seam like the door. |
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Hey from N.C. looking at your progress, there alot of work you have done ,and it's looking good, keep up the hard work and pictures coming :metal:
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Here is todays progress update. Got a couple more hours of filling and sanding. The firewall is ready for primer. I filled a few small screw holes, another dent by the heater fan and another layer over the driver side dent. I forgot to sand and look over the rockers to make sure they are dent free. Then a little more sanding inside the cab and finish the gutter sealant and I'll be ready to finish primering the cab. I also did more work to the fender. A little more sanding, some glazing putty and more sanding, and it will be ready for primer also. I'll probably do the other front fender next so I can primer all of that. I'll check out the other door later this week I think, and order patches as needed. http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5661.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5659.jpg http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...k/IMG_5660.jpg |
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