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Gregski 11-11-2021 08:34 PM

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Another question what is the hp and torque you are expecting to get out of this set up?

according to the Wiki the MG2 (Motor Generator #2) alone is rated at 147 kW or 197 hp, keep in mind there are two motors in that transmission, MG1 and MG2.

MG1 does not spin the output shaft in it's stock OEM implementation (so there are no hp / torque spec readily available for it) it is also smaller than MG2, but even if it is only half as powerful then both motors combined in my EV Conversion spinning the output shaft would yield 300 hp minimum

I will try to get the torque numbers

Gregski 11-12-2021 09:12 AM

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I also scored a BMW 530e hybrid battery pack

although it is small at 9.1 kWh (killer watt hours) compared to the Nissan Leaf for example of 24 kWh it is what I call full voltage since it can deliver 351 volts, (pronounced: Awesome)! perfect for testing and experimentation and may make a great power wall for a home solar panel project later on

think of kWh as gallons, as in fuel tank capacity, so a 9.1 gallon tank is smaller than a 24 gallon tank

I actually paid $700 for it, but since I wanted the original OEM battery high voltage orange cables, the price went back up to $900, but I was fine with that

drove 7 hours to Los Angeles to pick it up

Gregski 11-12-2021 09:16 AM

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so this battery pack actually has six 60 volt cell modules inside of it

think of cell modules like regular car batteries, technically a car battery is a cell module made up of six individual 2.1 volt cells or something like that maybe higher

Gregski 11-12-2021 09:23 AM

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so let's talk range, we leased a 2013 Nissan Leaf for three years and loved it, it came with a 24 kWh battery pack and provided 85 mile range consistently, often times 90+ but we will go conservative and use the range that is on the Wiki of 75 miles

so we take 75 miles and divide it by 24 and that gives us 3.125 miles per kWh

then we take 3.125 and multiply it by my battery pack size of 9.1 and we get a range of 28 miles

now I can easily reconfigure my battery pack and shove one in the engine bay and two more under the bed, if I choose to use this technology, I may get a Nissan Leaf 30 kWh battery pack instead, don't know yet (that one has a range of 107 miles according to the Wiki)

keep in mind that the range is not a hard cap, you come home from work plug it in and the car charges while you eat or shower, then you jump back in it and drive, if you go shopping at Target, you plug it in to charge while you are at the store for 45 minutes and you top it off again, go to dinner, charge it while you eat, this is not hypothetical either we did just that, we charged while watching a movie in the movie theater

BigBird05 11-12-2021 09:28 AM

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But the truck has a lot larger coefficient of friction.

Gregski 11-12-2021 09:29 AM

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FUN FACTS: Daily miles of travel per driver in the United States between 2001 and 2017

This statistic shows the average number of miles driven per day in the United States per driver between 2001 and 2017. On average, American drivers today are moving their vehicles considerably less than they were sixteen years ago, but they still totaled an average of 25.9 miles per day and per driver in 2017. The average driver also made more trips in 2001 than in 2017, when 2.7 daily vehicle trips per driver with an average length of 9.6 miles per trip were recorded. In 2001, the average driver made 3.4 trips with an average of 9.9 miles.

Gregski 11-12-2021 09:30 AM

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But the truck has a lot larger coefficient of friction.

True, and the aero dynamics of a brick. Yes I know we are comparing apples to bowling balls, that's why I am using a factor of 3x instead of the widely accepted 3.5x

and I am a firm believer in doing and testing, I don't like assumptions and speculations, so we shall wait and see

Blue GMC 11-12-2021 10:47 AM

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28 mile range is great for bench testing but we both know you wont be hyper-mile style driving this truck. Can you run two leaf packs in tandem or a larger option that is not a $$$ for the final version. This is where I get hung up as I am trying to figure out a source for larger range.

Gregski 11-12-2021 10:57 AM

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28 mile range is great for bench testing but we both know you wont be hyper-mile style driving this truck. Can you run two leaf packs in tandem or a larger option that is not a $$$ for the final version. This is where I get hung up as I am trying to figure out a source for larger range.

I totally hear you and stick around as I am lagging behind on the battery research, I am knee deep in motor testing and wiring harnesses at the moment.

and I know I will sound like a broken record but as an EV driver you have to retrain the way you think, for example my work is 11 miles from home, so I get in my fully charged truck with a range of 28 miles and I drive to work, I get there I have 17 miles left of range, I plug in and sit at my desk for 9 hours, when it's time to go home or run some errands once again I am fully charged and have 28 miles of range, (so technically I can drive 39 miles that day) see how that works, it's really tough to adjust your thinking at first, but that's just how it works

Dieselwrencher 11-12-2021 11:08 AM

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If you do leave the engine out of the engine compartment, just leave the radiato, and ram horns hooked to parts of the old exhaust. That would be funny. People see there was an engine there but there isn't now. :lol:

That part about plugging in at work. That wouldn't happen around here. You can't just plug in to a normal 110 outlet can you?

Gregski 11-12-2021 11:34 AM

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That part about plugging in at work. That wouldn't happen around here. You can't just plug in to a normal 110 outlet can you?

Of course you can it's how we charged our Leaf for 3 years. It is the most common way to charge and it is called a Level 1 charger. You just plug it in to any standard 120 volt 15 amp house outlet. All Electric vehicles come with one of these portable charger cords.

Dieselwrencher 11-12-2021 11:45 AM

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Oh, well that makes it easier.

Gregski 11-12-2021 11:49 AM

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Oh, well that makes it easier.

Ah yup, wanna charge twice as fast, plug it in to a washer and dryer 240 outlet, I talk about how I plan on using my Tesla battery charger here:

I bought a Tesla Model S Gen 2 Charger - Now What?

Gregski 11-13-2021 11:59 AM

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arguably the most important piece of the puzzle is this Lexus GS450H VCU Controller circus board, ha ha the brain of the entire operation that replaces the OEM Hybrid Vehicle ECU

this was reversed engineered by a group of guys from all over the world, if you have difficulty sleeping, I highly recommend their Lexus GS450H VCU Support Thread on the Open Inverter org site

this is an open source type of effort, where although one of them sells the semi finished product, they offer all the documentation needed for you to go out and build the PCB on your own, and a lot of guys with Electrowizardry degrees choose to do so (me NOT being one of them) I see a kit and I click BUY, and $361 bucks later it's at my door step

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:06 PM

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obviously a board like that needs a place to hide, so

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:08 PM

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so yeah, we're gonna shove the PCB in there, well after a few gentle mods

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:10 PM

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do to the pandemic there is a tremendous electronic parts shortage, so my board did not come with the 40 pin header connector I had to go full on MacGyver on this

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:11 PM

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nothing my 2D printer couldn't handle

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:13 PM

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No Peg, No Problem

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:15 PM

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one down, one to go

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:17 PM

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over on the precision laser guided cutting machine

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:19 PM

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next it was time to shove the board inside the box and see if it would slide all the way in... nope!

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:20 PM

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five minutes later.... and it fits !

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:23 PM

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then it was time to slightly modify that cover, and for that we went over to our organic outdoor water jet plasma cutting facility

Gregski 11-13-2021 12:24 PM

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like a glove...

Gregski 11-14-2021 09:35 AM

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so then I went out and dropped $250 on the Lexus GS450h hybrid transmission wiring harness, and I'm glad I did as it comes with two connectors that are very complex to build, they connect something called the resolvers to the inverter

the resolvers are essentially sensors and there is one per motor, as as you recall there are two electric motors in this transmission

often times when these harnesses are listed there are no pics of them at all or they are useless low resolution like this one

Gregski 11-14-2021 09:39 AM

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once I picked up the Lexus GS450h engine\transmission harness, the seller happened to be local (another reason why I got this one, knowing I may have overpaid was that I could pick it up for FREE and return/exchange it much easier if things did not work out for me)

it was time to thin it out, as you will see we do not use 90% of it, oh well

the small harness was a sub harness for fuel injectors that was just zipped tied to it essentially

Gregski 11-14-2021 09:45 AM

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I tell you what doing LS Swaps has sure prepared me for this.

so let's saddle up this horse, shall we

here we have those two resolver plugs, followed by the shift solenoid plug, and the last one closest to the tail shaft is the VSS Vehicle Speed Sensor

The orange high voltage AC wires are capable of handling upwards of 600 volts there are two of them, each one goes to a separate electric motor inside of that Lexus GS450h transmission

Gregski 11-14-2021 09:52 AM

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and on the other side, aka the driver side we have only one plug this is the Safety Neutral Switch

we will need three signals from this one

1. Park
2. Reverse
3. Drive

The orange high voltage AC wires are capable of handling upwards of 600 volts there are two of them, each one goes to a separate electric motor inside of that Lexus GS450h transmission

BAD1916 11-15-2021 04:03 AM

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Very cool build. Will follow along for this one.

MDPotter 11-15-2021 10:15 AM

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Always enjoy reading your threads for the humor and the wizardry. Looking forward to seeing this in the truck!

Gregski 11-15-2021 10:35 AM

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Very cool build. Will follow along for this one.

glad to hear, thank you for the positive feedback, keeps the shenanigans going

Gregski 11-16-2021 09:39 AM

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Always enjoy reading your threads for the humor and the wizardry. Looking forward to seeing this in the truck!

thank you so much that made me laff, when can I swing by and shove one of these in your '68 GMC450h ?

Gregski 11-16-2021 09:44 AM

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the engine bay wiring harness was next as you can clearly see from this Lexus wiring diagram

Gregski 11-16-2021 09:47 AM

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and since apparently I don't like money, I paid $300...

Gregski 11-16-2021 09:50 AM

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for a $235 dollar harness

Gregski 11-16-2021 09:53 AM

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fortunately mine came with a handsome, organic, fully biodegradable [think 450 years] carrying case

MDPotter 11-16-2021 10:02 AM

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thank you so much that made me laff, when can I swing by and shove one of these in your '68 GMC450h ?

It's going to be awhile before I go electric. I'm waiting for GM to start manufacturing crate setups that could drop in place of an LS.

Gregski 11-16-2021 10:03 AM

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so most guys buy this Lexus GS450h engine bay main wiring harness for this Inverter plug, part num...

Gregski 11-16-2021 10:04 AM

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30 minutes later...


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