I think I got burned by Sawman
 

I purchased a section of box side from Sawman when he responded to my WTB posting about a repair section for my box corner.

That was in October of '15 it is now April of '16 after several comunications I have come to the conclusion I am never going to see the part I payed for. I have been assured the parts have shipped, however have never received shipping information/confirmation.

A recent search shows it looks like he may have pulled the same thing on at least two other members.

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That sucks. Was it shipping from the US to Canada?

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I live in Canada. The part was supposed to ship to Michigan. I was not able to get a clar answers weather he shipped to Canada or my us address, On his first attempt. On the second attempt I made it absolutely clear the part was to be shipped to the US address. That was some time ago now. More than enough time to make the journey from Cali to Michigan. Even if it was shipped by stage coach.

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Every carrier uses tracking, he should easily be able to provide you with that information. If you don't mind me asking - sounds like there were 2 shipments what happened to the original part in the first shipment? Was the second shipment a replacement?

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I was told that the shipment had been "returned to him opened" the package never made it to me. Yes I agree that there should be some form of tracking available. In either case I was never provided with the information.

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Yep, that doesn't sound too promising. Did you ever pick up a replacement or are you still needing one, might be someone else here can help you get one.

Maybe contact site admin to see if they can help out.

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Project is taking a different direction. Replacing the whole box now.

Have started a dispute with PayPal.

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He logged into this site at 1230 yesterday, so he is still around.

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Please provide a link to the original sale thread if you would

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http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=686724

Liz this is the original WTB post. Everything after this was done through PM, a personal email where he sent me pictures of the part in question and PayPal.

I do no have the very first couple of PM messages but I do have most of them as well as the original email sent to me from Sawman.

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Longhornss, don't feel like the lone ranger......he got my and a few other guys as well. Took me for $45. I've been waiting on my parts for over 3 months now. He has been promising our parts as well, along with many many excuses as to why they haven't been shipped. One day he will tell you they were shipped then a week later tell you something totally different.
I've been asking for a refund of my money for 2 or 3 weeks now.
Enduroride

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Here is a link to our original post.....its 6 pages long, read thru all of the pages, this guy has been scamming people for a while now.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=676439

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Thanks I have already seen this post, when I was looking to see if maybe I was the only one.... clearly I was not. I have started the process for making a claim with PayPal. I have most of my original PM messages as well as the initial email with pictures of the piece in question. I will also be directing PayPal to this post as well as the post for the link you have provided.

Thanks

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I'm on the list too......

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wow. no bueno. i hope it's all a misunderstanding. i talked to him a while ago when he first started listing parts on the forum. i saved his number if that helps. his name is ed (supposedly). (530) 249-7528

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everyone I will be back home in a few days,i see some buyers didn't get there replacement parts,due to family emergency I have not been home in a long time,sorry for the delays,sometimes things just happen,theres always a reason for everything,,no one got burned,i always honor all my sales,alot of you no this,thanks for your patience in me and my familys hard time,

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Ed I appreciate the response. What I would appreciate more is a amicable solution. I have not received my parts or any tracing information. I asked for a refund back in December but you assured me the parts would ship. I gave you the benefit of trying to make good on your word. At this point I no longer need the section of box side I purchased from you, because I have purchased a whole new box side while waiting for you. And what do you know it showed up without incident within a week, and I had tracking information on it the whole time.
So if I can get my money back now I will consider the matter closed. And ask a moderator to close or remove this thread.
Thank you.

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Ed , your responses are growing old. Your history in this problem shows that you have said you have shipped multiple time , while still trolling for more sales. You have never once showed anybody proof that the parts were even cut off. Never once has anybody been offered there hard earned money back. I am sick of seeing your name on this board , makes me mad every time I see it , knowing how you have taken advantage of all of us. I am going to delete myself from all these threads . I hope karma beats the crap out of you. - Bob

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Ed, I'm with everyone else! You stated in a PM to me that you would be home a few Monday's ago and be there for 10 days and that we (the buyers and you) would get all of this straightened out. That was at least two weeks ago. I have also been asking for a refund for at least a month now. You told me two weeks ago that you would send me a money order.....haven't seen that yet either ! You can get on Paypal just as quick as you get on this board to send all of us a refund...........only takes a few minutes of your time, you do that and I think we will all be satisfied.
Wade

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So apparently PayPal agrees with me, that I got Burned by Sawman. I filed a claim with PayPay and have received my money back.

This is why this is the only way I will pay for something I purchased online.

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Glad it worked out for you Longhorn, I thought you handled it professionally. When people feel cheated they can take it in a lot of different directions. You did not seek to insult nor injure and kept it drama free.

Good on you buddy.

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Well thanks, I tried to be civil about the whole thing and give the benefit of the doubt. It was difficult at times to keep cool. But I figured if the PM messages and any subsiquent posts on this thread would be used to prove my claim. Flying off the handle was not going to help me.

I am glad I was able to get my money back. If it makes people think twice about purchasing from any specific seller than that is good to.
Remember PayPal helped me in this situation and can help you too. It took. Month but I got my money back.

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....we'll see how your follow thru rolls out....

better get on that

Coley

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Still looking for my dash or refund. Been since before Christmas.

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he logged into the site on 5/9. hopefully that was to communicate with those still waiting for their parts.

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I hate scammers! nothing worse than a thief and a liar

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lol.....maybe time to revisit the meaning of the term honor.

Yep...I can't abide by that kind of poor behavior either.
Scammers should face jail time.
I always find it amazing that 'people' are pressed for time to follow thru on their end of the deal, which maybe takes 1/2 hr at best....but there is always time to receive, cash and spend the money.

my two bits.

Coley

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ED ! Were is our refunds ?????

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How did you pay? If by paypal you should be able to get your money back

This is a perfect example as to why I always pay using PayPal and NEVER pay for goods with the Friends/Family option. If you are mis using PayPal there is no chance of getting your money back. I got my money back and I strongly advise anyone else that was burned like I was file with PayPal if this is how you payed.
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Yes I did pay using Paypal, but I'm not able to file a compliant because I didn't send it for "goods or services". I havn't tried contacting Paypal directly, but that on my to do list. I get really tired of reading about people like this guy who make a living out of STEALING other peoples money. He will get whats coming to him.....it may take awhile, but it will happen !

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first off like to say this is a great site,there is always 2 sides to a story,as I stated all sales I have always honored,i ask all to pay with paypal so both buyer and seller are covered,i sold a lot of parts on this site a lot of you reading this know this,i don't always keep shipping receipts,some items I ship were ever I am working to cut down on shipping cost,some items are shipped by friends heading the way the items is again to cut down on shipping,things are different for buyers than sellers,just because item doesn't get there does not always mean buyer didn't ship it,i keep in contact with everyone,i think most I gave my own email address also,cell number,home number and address,if you don't check your messages that's not my fault,if you pay with paypal and didn't update your address in paypal after you moved that's not my fault,,now if you pay with paypal and give different address than you have in paypal buyer is NOT COVERED,i did have items returned,i with address damaged,1 no such address,i shipped 1 to wrong buyer,longhorness opened a complaint I refunded him,cleanfreak wont respone,buyer gave 2 different address,dont no were to send refund,all that wanted a refund was done,replacement were shipped,longhorness I shipped your item,that money came out of my pocket,your item was returned,i have no control when shipping to different country,as to me ripping people off that is not me,slow shipping at times yes,,most the parts I sold on here was just what it cost to go to storage to get and pay for shipping,some I paid more to ship than what I got,anyone still have any problems please contact me,thanks

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"Cleanfreak won't respond"- Wow.It took me 2 days to log in to find a pm. I gave two addresses because YOU LIED TO ME , said my parts were shipped and YOU didn't ship. Have asked many times for ANY proof that the parts even existed and got NOTHING. YOU have received the second address twice and any time I have asked for any respectful answer so I could allow you time for family issues YOU didn't answer the questions asked

For all seeing this - My address for my $50 dollar refund is

Bob RIchards
68 Canby st.
Port Robinson , Ontario , Canada
L0S 1K0

He can't say there wasn't a pm , or anything else
For your family issues , I am sorry , but again I will say , YOUR actions thru this leaves me doubting your issues , or the thought that I might see any money , or trust internet transactions like this

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bob I think you or spouse paid $50 via paypal.shipping to
33 cr 713 Corinth ms 38834 your address with paypal
68 candy st port robinson Ontario Canada
or is it the ny address you gave me,pm me your paypal address and I will ask my wife to send it to you,i am not taking a chance again sending to Canada,went out of my way on parts and shipping I paid,i will take the loss on parts and shipping,so that we are done,i know I shipped,but it is what it is,thanks and have a great day

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The NY address was the second address FOR SHIPPING when YOU said it was shipped to Corinth but you didn't. The NY address was the address FOR SHIPPING , as I didn't want you to have the cross border worry's or expenses. You have never "taken a chance on shipping to Canada" , and you have never given proof of any shipping or even a picture of the area where the cab cut was made (as asked) to prove you've done anything. You are making it sound like we are taking advantage of you , and that is completely false.

Again , no pm's will be sent - My paypal address is -
inquiries@3rsusedbooks.ca

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bob have a great day,refund sent,

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bob wife said refund was made,thanks we are done

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Refund received , another member also received refund , it Is disappointing that it went as far as it did. And you are correct , we are done with you as well Ed - Bob

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Just to Clarify Here, Sawman never actually responded to my PayPal request for a refund. So PayPal had no choice but to refund the money due to the lack of response on his part. I don't want people thinking Ed was a stand up guy and sent my money back of his own free will. I supplied PayPal with all the information required of me and PayPal felt I was owed the money back.

Secondly when I contacted Ed about the purchase he quoted me a FedEx price to my us ZIP. Then when the item "shipped" it did not go fed ex and was not provided tracking information. I will admit that when I sent payment I forgot to amend my shipping information on PayPal to my US address but I was upfront right from the get go that this item would be shipping to a US Address. How he quoted me a Price to a MI address and then shipped to Canada is beyond me, the price difference would have been so great on the item of this size......
On that note..... Buyer beware! Use PayPal properly for all your purchases.

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longhorn,i submitted all my info to paypal,paypal said I was only covered if I ship to address in your paypal,i was not covered as a buyer,i reply refund will be refunded on this date,they said ok.it was done,i took the loss on shipping,the cut was very sharp tore box,i think that's why it was returned,as for you thinking I am not a stand up guy,thats fine,you didn't get your item,i understand better than anyone ,been them many times,most of you reading this know I ask you pay with paypal,so both buyer and seller are protected,i do thing differently now,i don't ship big items,i do take them to fedex/ups and they package and ship on the buyers account,i sold you the cut out for what it cost to get from storage,packing material,and shipping,you got your refund,i owe you nothing,if I made a mistake and ship to your Canada address,when you wanted it shipped somewhere else ,then I was wrong and apologize to you,thanks