TCI to start new R&D Project with a C10!
Check out their facebook page, this was posted earlier today. Looks like more options coming soon!
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Nice.
Everyone is seeing the $$$ possibilities in producing C10 parts. They have the pre-'60 trucks covered. http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/c/2...Classic-Trucks Surprised it took so long to get to the 60-87 trucks. |
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I believe jim meyer racing was the first one and a few others came in slowly.But its not just these trucks the early mustang 10 years ago had a small aftermarket but it boomed about 5 years ago.
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http://roadstershop.com/ has a full frame that has a irs
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The 'problem' w/any of these is price. The RS chassis will set you back around 15 large w/o the trick IRS.... That's a difficult chunk to pony up.
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Yeah a full frame from anywhere is pricey now,Some places are 8k to 10k for a bare frame.
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I am following it on the pro-touring web site...looks interesting so far...
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*another update*
The first articles have had a few revisions through development but we're getting close. Here, Ed is changing the anti-dive angle to 7.5. http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps30e798f2.jpg A quick tack weld http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb66ad1f3.jpg We also revised the crossmember. We raised it up to frame another inch and put a degree tilted back. http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps488c99ff.jpg Ed installing the upper plate onto the frame to confirm some simulations. http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscd416462.jpg -Jason |
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Are you guys utilizing a CPP MOD Spindle for your front kit? Would love to see a truck kit come with truck spindles and not Mustang II's.
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We mocked up our Custom spindle that we use on some of our Pro-Touring builds and it would work very well in this capacity. While this spindle works well in its current applications we feel that making something even more robust would be more fitting. So we will begin designing a new spindle immediately. Should only be a few weeks delay in production. -J |
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It's awesome that you are keeping with the ideology that 1/2 ton trucks need 1/2 ton truck rated suspension/steering components. Others seem to think MII spindles are sufficient, but let's face it, they were designed for cars that barely tipped the scale past 2,000 lbs. Not to mention the wheel bearings, which I brought up in a conversation recently with another vendor. The conversation seem to go down hill when I started mentioning L10 life for the bearings and how they are over loaded by 150% when ran on a truck weighing in close to 3k. Keep up the great engineering work, I'm quickly becoming more and more of a TCI fan!
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Something that struck us as odd is the OEM C10 spindle pin is smaller than the MII pin. So basically the I/D of the C10 bearing is smaller than the MII bearing. Although the C10 bearings are larger overall, both width and O/D. If GM felt the pin was suffeciently strong enough, who are we to argue? We will base our new spindle pin dimensions off the OEM pin. Ours will just be made out of Chro-Moly. This way replacement parts like rotors and bearings will also be OEM. -J |
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Wouldn't GM have likely based decisions of the 'pin' design & dimensions w/the vehicles anticipated use in mind which likely wasn't near what the current trends are (autocross specifically). Just wondering out loud here. Obviously you guys put alot of thought into what you design. |
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Again, kudos to you TCI, for the great development going on! |
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More mock up pieces and parts
http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa4cfde47.jpg The crossmember is now in its 3rd iteration of the original idea. http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa55af7de.jpg http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psfe117ea9.jpg http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psc631e6ab.jpg -J |
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Awesome job guys! keep it up. How much shock travel are you expecting for the front? Looks like you could get 5" with 12" springs.
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That's looking good!
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It is a good thing you are not using the modular spindle. They do not hold up to racing. The pin would actually deflect in the spindle. I went as far as welding them front and back on the pin to help this but it was not enough they still flex bad enough to cause brake knock back.
These trucks are really hard on parts in a autocross/road race environment. |
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Lots of learning on watching this one.
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We've made a few more revisions but the project is coming along quickly.
There was some discussion about which c-notch design we were going to use. The round style won out almost unanimously. http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4275054e.jpg http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps91a52ade.jpg Mocking up the anti-sway bar and a few other items. This crossmember is going to be one beefy dewd once it is all boxed in and fully welded. http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf88102f4.jpg http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4e5ee70c.jpg http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscd027130.jpg Torque Arm mount, I believe this is revision #2 http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse1079adb.jpg -J |
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Great minds think alike I guess. :metal:
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...&postcount=143 http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...psebb4cbe3.jpg |
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:metal: Now if I can just convince the powers that be that we also need a turbo LQ4 under the hood. ;) -J |
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If you guys were closer, I'd take you for a ride. There wouldn't be much more convincing necessary :)
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Lookin' good! Really diggin' the front set-up. Have you done any FEA on supporting the rear end with the coilovers behind the C-Notch? A while ago, I ran across a thread that discussed how C-Notching can weaken the frame's integrity. It made some pretty good points. If I run across it again, I'll share the link here. Keep up the good work!
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I hopped on Craigslist earlier today and found a LQ4/4L80 combo with less than 80K original miles for cheap so I forwarded the link over to them. :lol: Quote:
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Glad to see you guys are doing your homework! If you haven't guessed by now, I'm in engineering for my day job, and run a part time speed shop on the side. Unfortunately, that means I'm hard to impress, but you guys are definitely putting the icing on the cake with this. Keep the documentation of the development coming, awesome stuff!
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No worries, it's refreshing to hear good questions during this process. We are one of the few companies that doesn't mind posting pics of the "process".
Well, good news, The craigslist link I sent to Sal & Ed about the LQ4/4L80E actually worked. I go pick it up after lunch. -J |
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http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps436566b1.jpg -J |
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Looks good guys. I was into street rods in the 80's and used your stuff helping a friend build a couple of model A's. Nice to see you working on this era truck.
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Nice grab!
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