Yet Another s10 swap
 

I've been lurking for a long time, reading all the great stuff you guys are doing. I've posted in the welcome section awhile back. Thank you to all who took the time to say hello. I was just wondering if there was any interest in a "how to" or better yet a, "how I did it" on the subject of fixed cab mounts for the s10 frame swap. I know there is a lot of info out on the web, and nothing I have done is ground breaking. The only thing that might be different is that I only have about $120 into the cab mounts and front core support. Let me know, and thanks again. You guys are true craftsman.

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Go ahead and share. There's always someone looking for alternative ideas on how to do stuff.

Make sure and post lots of pics.

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I'm going to try and post a few pics of the progress. Everything is all dirty, rusty, and rough. I will fix that later. I'm just trying to get everything mocked up. I know, I know, the 14 inch tires look very goofy.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1403.jpg
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looks good how did you relocate the motor so it wasn't in the rad?

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First, I mounted the cab for clearance. Then welded motor mounts to 3/8 steel plates. Next, I bolted the mounts to the engine. Then, I set the engine in place, leveling front to back and side to side. I tacked the steel plates to the cross member, pulled the engine and finished the welds. I currently have about a one to two inch gap between the firewall and the distributor. There is probably a better way, but this was my solution.

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sounds good. keep the pics comming

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Ok, so this is the process I used to build fixed cab mounts for the s10 frame swap. I got back to my kindergarten roots and made some very crude patterns out of old folders in my office.
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1432.jpg[/IMG]
I took these down to the local Agricultural Equipment machine shop and had the pieces sheared and bent. After drilling a few holes (that I ended up not using) and a little welding, I had finished mounts. Here are the results:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1376.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1377.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1378.jpg
Thanks for looking.
BTW- I've tried to shrink these pics down. I chose the preset "website" size 320 x 240 but they still are huge. Can someone give me a fix for this?

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Those cab mounts look better than the photos of the high dollar stuff I see some guys using.

I'm still up in the air about these swaps but yours looks to be coming along nicely.

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those mounts look as good or better than the advanced design kit that i bought.

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would mind posting or emailing a copy of the patterns? if so ffnels@aol.com

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How much is the cab raised front & back above the frame?
How much was the bed floor raised? Don

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the cab mounts are 5 inches from the top of the s10 frame rail, both front and back. (If I had it to do over again, I would make the FRONT mount 3/4 of an inch taller.) Then the stock s10 bushing. I shimmed it some after that to level everything.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1371.jpg
As for the bed, I'm only in the "mock up" stage, but I don't think I will have to raise it at all. I should have more work done this weekend.
Thanks,

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I'll try to get better pics tomorrow, but here is a couple pics of the running boards. I like the way everything is fitting - gaps look good. Can anyone get me a close up picture of the running board - looking down from the cab. My truck was in a million pieces when I got it, so I don't have a reference to go from.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1467.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1468.jpg

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I’ve had a few requests for measurements and a more detailed account of what I’ve done thus far. I’ve even been approached with monetary incentives to explain the process. I am not here to make a buck. I believe this forum to be a place for exchanging ideas and helping each other. My project was born out of the generosity of others who shared their knowledge and expertise. In fact, my original plans were scraped after I found work done by guys on this very board. Having said that, I would like to give a better explanation of the process. The front mounts are 9 ¼ tall and the sides are 3 ¼ - 4 - 3 ¼ respectively. The rear mounts are 10 ¼ inches tall and 4 - 4 - 4. The side edges that drop from the top down and then diagonals back to the bottom of the mount is 3 ½. The top plate for the mounts are 3 ¼ x 4 for the fronts and 5 x 4 for the rear. I hope this is making sense. You need to just tack weld the top plates flush, so that you can get an accurate measurement of 5 inches down from the top of the mount. It is here that you will weld the “foot”. The “foot’s” dimensions are 3 x 4 x 3. You pretty much have completed mounts at this point, so let’s get to mounting them on the s10 frame. I transferred the existing bolt holes from my cab to strips of plywood so that I would not have to use the actual cab. Here is a pic:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1469.jpg
I clamped the mounts to the frame starting with the front mounts 2 inches forward the long oblong frame hole. On my truck there is 32 1/8 between the front mounts and the rear mounts. I then placed the plywood strips across the front and rear mounts and centered them. From here it was a lot of measuring - forward, aft, and diagonally. I used the holes in the strips to mark the top plates. I then broke the tack welds on the top plates and used a 2” hole saw to cut the bushing seats. Make sure you measure and center everything. I re-used the stock s10 cab bushings. The cab was finally set and bolted to the mounts. I measured and re-measured differing points until I was happy with how it sat on the frame. I bolted on a front fender to make sure I had the front wheel centered. After a little welding, I had the cab mounted. I hope this makes someone’s build a little easier. I’ve had a blast playing MacGyver in my garage

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Here's jeffs51chevy's bracket design. Hope this helps some people out on their projects.

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**note to design**

This drawing is the improved version from the ones he made. We moved the foot 3/4" to raise the mount some more. Kind of a "if I was to do again thing".

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Well not much progress lately, but I did get a chance to track down a 4x4 rear end. It's not that photo worthy, but it does show the rear track width. I wanted the rear disk set up, but $75 for the whole assembly, ebrake, and sway bar I'll drive it and save for the next one.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSC00727.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSC00729.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSC00730.jpg
I have to still trim the rear frame rails, and set the bed, but it's what I could get done today. One man show you now. Thanks for looking.

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nice job! great reading and well detailed. the really funny thing about "body mounts" is over the years i have seen some really"ghetto" ones that functioned fine just not pretty. safe is really the key issue and you seem to have done that in your design. old pipe used to be the standard type i came across in the past and they were scary!

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Jeff, I think the best way is to open a photobucket account. It's free.
www.photobucket.com
upload your photos to your new account, then click on the thing that says "direct link" right below the photo.
then on this forum, use this little thingy, circled in red here....

and right click, paste
and there's your pic, and big too.

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Thanks for the computer help. I will try to post when I have some progress to show. On a differnt note, can anyone tell me if the bed is mounted exactly level on the frame, or if it slopes forward. I'm working out the bed mounts and need someone to put a level to their bed. If someone will go to the trouble, would you please check at the top of the bed rail and on the wood bottom.

Thanks in advance,

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This is just the type of write up I have been looking for. I was offered a 51 Chevy recentlly. I have the long bed S10 in the backyard so I just might take to guy up on the offer.

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Thank you BarryB. I appreciate the feedback. I will tell you this, the swap is no small undertaking. It has been a ton of fun for me and my four year old, but everyone on the web makes it sound like a peice of cake. Swap the sheet metal and you'll be on the road. It's much more involved. Do not let me detour you. I am just saying it is not as easy as everyone makes it out to be.

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Just wondering if you have any pics of how you mounted the front end? Fenders, rad support, ect? Did you have to cut the inners? I've seen many builds where they did but with it sitting 5" from the frame do you still need to cut the fenders and how did you mount the rad support?

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Of this whole project, the front radiator support was what dictated the height of the cab. Next time I would like to be more daring and fab the front end differently, but I used conventional wisdom this time. I cut the bottom of the rad support off right below the two welded nuts that hold the grill, and then welded a peice of 3/4 angle iron to hold things together.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1404.jpg
I then used some 1/4 steel plate, bent in a 45 degree, to hold the rad support to the frame.
The plan is to weld them to the frame when I get everything else set in a final position. I want good gaps everywhere before I weld for the last time.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1431.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1430.jpg
The passenger side frame slopes, so a peice of angle iron will be used. As you can see from the pics, the inner fender skirts are trimed to miss the upper A arms. The photos were from a month ago, and were only a trial run. I will get new shots as they come available.

Thanks,
Sorry for the photo sizes. My computer skills suck.

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I got a little more done on the runningboard mounts today. They are 1 x 2 channel. The bed mounts are 3" tubing cut on a bias.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSC00889.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSC00888.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSC00885.jpg
Thanks for looking

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Very nice work!

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As others have already stated...nice work!! I have a friend using a kit another guy made up. It seems to be going ok. I think I like yours better from what I have seen so far. Plus the cost value is much better. I may attempt one of these some day myself. Keep up the great work!!

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Thanks guys for all the kind words. It does mean a lot to me that you like what you see. This is my first really envolved project like this, and I can see the light at the end, atleast for the mock up stage. This project made a lot of sense for me due to the availiblity of the donor s10. My father and I had completed the v8 swap over ten years ago, so it was free. As for all the mounts and bracket pieces, I believe there is not more than $235 in it all. Obviously, you must know how to weld and have a machine shop handy, but it is fairly easy. I started this thread to show off the progress, but I truly hope that it will make someone else's built a little easier. Believe me, there has been a lot of head scratching. The funny thing is, I have no idea how this beast will drive. Thanks again

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You have helped a lot of people....Don Meyer

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any progress lately. got some done on my swap. found a cheap junkyard swap for the trans crossmember. a fullsize 1500 2wd crossmember works great with a little trimming and some mounting plates welded to the bottom of the frame. best of all $12.95 at a local yard, beats $50.00 for a universal nightmare to mount one. i'll try to get some pics to post. well hers a pic of the progress so far.

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Sorry for the lack of updates. Life has gotten busy around here. I haven't had a chance to work on the truck in all of August. Lets hope September brings more time to work on it. I know you guys like pics, so here are a few of the last bit of work I got done.
Here is the rear track width. The plan is to use Cragars with a 2 1/2" backspacing.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1551.jpg
Driver's side.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1552.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1554.jpg
Passenger side.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1553.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1556.jpg
total bed view
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/DSCN1558.jpg
Thanks for looking.

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Thanks for the pics!

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Thanks Daniel U - I'm iching to get back to work.

54 Jimmy - your build looks great. Would you happen to have a few pics of that tranny crosmember? I would love to see it. I've been meaning to start that project for about a month.

Thanks,
Jeff

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i'll post some pic of the crossmember tomorrow night. i'll be going down the garage to work on some rust repair on my 91 s15 jimmy (yeah) inspection time.

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how did you figure where to mount the cab i started mock up on mine last week. does the box go alll the way to the rear of the frame. sorry first pickup ive done. i have a 83 ht nova and a 62 chevyII wagon. thank you for all your help saved me alot of headache and time.

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thanks for your pictures. they will really help me with my build. i'm just starting to put my 51 back together.

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Looks great:thumbs: About how much lower than stock is it? I would like to do one of these someday soon.
Thank you
Shane

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here is progress so far. cab shortened 5 inches (bought ext cab frame) and a 3" rear drop. just gotta get cab mount measurement and build cab mounts.

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Nova Bill - You asked "how did you figure where to mount the cab". The answer is specific to how you build your cab mounts. If they are exactly like mine, the front mounts go 2" forward the oblong frame hole on the frame (about a foot aft the stock s10 front cab mount). You just measure from there to find the rear locations. If your mounts are different, just mock up the cab on the frame and bolt on a fender. Move it forward and back to position the front wheel where you like it in the fender-well.

Chevrolet4x4s - I'm not sure how much lower it will be than stock because my truck was in pieces when I got it. I'm trying to calculate all brackety level with the bottom of the s10 frame. I don't necessarily want a "in the weeds" type truck, but I do want options down the road. I think the way I have it figured, even with a static drop using bags, I could get i pretty low.

Keep the questions coming. I'm no expert, just a guy having fun.

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thank you jeff, i nam going to use your cab mounts. did you just use 1/8 inch steel?. i have the frame ready and mocked up the cab and box. thank you again for your help. bill