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CPP front shock brackets....who's had problems with them?
I am just now getting around to installing my the upper shock brackets for the front shocks, from CPP.
http://www.classicperform.com/Store/...k/6372FSRB.htm I cannot get mine to fit on the upper stud and flush on the frame. It looks like the angle the part was bent at is 5-10 degrees off. has anyone else had this problem? Cameras charging....... |
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You can see the angle is off.
In one picture the bracket is flush against the frame, you can see how off the angle is to the stud. In the other picture i tightened down the nut on the shock. i can get the largest screw driver i have underneath it. Sure, i can drill some holes and tighten it down. But that is going to put a huge moment on the stud, which is what the bracket is there to help support. defeats the purpose. |
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could you simply put it in a vice and tweak it just enough... surely you can. quite possible that the angle the accounted for was on their truck possibly...
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Yeah i just thought of that about the time the dinner bell rang. i had to slap the new shocks in before i take it too the alignment shop tomorrow.
But why should i have to put a $30 powder coated part in a vise to make it work? :crazy: |
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Is there a slight chance the mounting point for the shock stud is tweeked? Does the other side fit the same? I'm working on mine really slow and I have one side on and it fit ok.
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Ask jeff from cpp on here...
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I would put it on the shock and loosely put the nut on, then suck down the bracket with the nuts/bolts that go into the frame. Im going to bet the powdercoat will stretch enough.
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I am curious too, what about the other side? Is it the same way or different?
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the drivers side is about the same, or worse.
I thought about the stud being tweaked, but since they both fit about the same I am not convinced that is the problem. As i mentioned before i could snug the shock bolt down and drill the holes, then force the bracket to sit flush against the frame with the bolts. But that will introduce a moment, or bending load, on the stud. This will preload the stud/frame joint. When I air out and really load the stud with the shocks, I will have combined loading on the stud and frame. This will cause the frame to crack, which is what these brackets are made to prevent. I was hoping Jeff would chime in. Can anyone that has a bracket laying around measure the angle that the brackets are bent too? Mine are bent to 130 degrees. |
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I just measured the angle from the frame to the face of the shock eyelet. its 134-135 degrees on both sides.
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Probably just going to have to bend it. I would think that the bracket would bend before putting a ton of load on the bolt.
If you put it in a vice to open up the angle, just use a rag and pad it to keep the vice from making it ugly. 5* isnt going to take much squeeze |
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Thats what i plan on doing. I was just wandering if anyone else had this issue.
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i would loosen the inner shock stud bolt on the frame. I would then mount the shock bracket, line it up where it needs to be, drill, and mount it, then tighten the shock stud bolt back down. I am guessing the stud and/or the frame mounting area has been tweaked over the years.
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I would give CPP a call and talk to Jeff about the bracket. I am sure he will send you out another set.
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Glad I saw this, I was planning on buying those but maybe now I will not. Torqueing that all down when it is at the wrong angle could cause more harm than good. I would bend the bracket first to get it at the correct angle or have CPP send you a replacement set to see if the replacements fit better. Talk to Jeff, he will take care of you.
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If anything I would just make my own... its a simple non complicated brace/bracket and then you wouldnt even have to worry about messing up a powder coated part..
just my thoughts on the subject... sending the part back to cpp to get a replacment.. i would imagine these are being produced on a professional level, which meaning a machine is bending the brackets and not a human.... so chances of getting a replacement set at a different angle is very unlikely... i dont work there but thats what i would guess. clint |
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Its an easy enough fix to open the angle up to 135deg in a vise......if the bracket bends properly.
I am just curious if any one else has had issues with these. The problem is symetrical, so I doubt a stud is tweaked, but i am not ruling that out. |
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I just installed these brackets Saturday. They fit well with no problems. I just bolted them to the shock stud, drilled my holes and bolted them up. Easy.
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i think 87 chevy is right. they are probably made in a press brake a thousand at a time. i doubt they are ging to be diffrent. maybe worth it to call them and have them ship you out a new set, i would expect the same part in the mail.
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I figure they would be the same part. I am more than likely going to put them in a vise and open them up to 135deg. |
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How about i send you a free set and if it fixes the problem you know it was the brackets and if it doesnt we will know its your truck.... Sound fair?
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Those brackets are probably made with more precision than the truck frame was. The misalignment doesn't look to be much in your photos. I would not be concerned with the stress that bracket may put on the bolt.
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I understand dznucks' concern. You spend good money on what is supposed to be a precision part made by one of the best manufacturers out there and it appears to be wrong. That would burn my buns, too. Luckily, Jeff is on here ready to help out whenever possible. Jeff is the reason why I finally placed an order with CPP. My first shipment of parts looks good so far.
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Let's do this.....
Before Jeff sends me another pair.....Can some one, with an stock, original condition frame like mine, measure the angle between their frame and the face of the shock hoop? I used a dry-wall angle finder to mimic the angle, then used a protractor to measure that angle of the dry-wall angle finder. Look at the first pic...that angle. I dont claim to know how perfect my frame is. Both sides measure 135 deg. I'd like to know if my frame is off, or if its right. |
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I have a '67 in the garage, i can test the brackets for fitment..... :metal: I have to agree with Ken as well, the tolerances are not 100% between all frames..... |
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Its an easy enough fix for me to open them up in the vise to fit my angle. If i have another set, thats just like the ones i have, that doesnt get me anywhere. |
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Jeff, i appreciate the gesture, but you cant rectify an issue if its not your (CPP's) fault. I really dont need another set of these brackets unless they are different.
That's why i asked you in my PM what the engineering calls this angle out to be. Surely somewhere at CPP you have a design drawing that you give to your vendors so they can bid on and build the part for you. If these parts are made in-house, you would have the same drawing somewhere. It may be easier for you to send me another set, than to go find and read a blueprint. But another set of brackets that arent going to fit my frame is a waste of CPP's inventory and shipping costs. |
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I agree 2000%.... I would bolt the ***** on and go. As far as preloading the bracket and stud and bolting it together, I wouldnt get overly concerned with it. When you tighten it down it shoud suck it all together. As far as deflating it and worrying about loading it up even worse... I hate to tell you but if your shock is bottoming out before the bags or the bumpstop.... it wont matter cause it will eventually rip that mount out anyway. |
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The shocks will not bottom out when I air out. I have 10" between mounting bolts and the shocks go to 9.6" compressed. Quote:
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So if we are measuring the BS in the thousands of %, I disagree 5000%. you guys sound like randy off american idol. |
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Is this different stud canted or bent? If not its the frame that is dictating the angle so they may not help.
If you think they will work, you can send them and i will try them out. If they dont work, I'll send them back. If they do i will send you the ones i have back. Quote:
i hate how he always says..."one thousand a million percent yes, your going to Hollywood." or something like that......not that i watch american idol.....by choice. |
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"The shocks will not bottom out when I air out. I have 10" between mounting bolts and the shocks go to 9.6" compressed."
Thats Money.... like mine on a craps table.... |
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