High Torque Mini Starters
My stock starter is going out and I would like to try something different, so I was researching mini starters, came across this guy:
Powermaster Ultra Torque Starters 9400 https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pwm-9400 I know its a powerful starter for a Gen 1 / 350 running 9.87 compression. Its a mini made out of aluminum, with adjustable mount plate. I need the adjustable mount plate because I'm running a SM465 with stock bell housing. My issue with stock High torque starters is when they heat up, they dragggg. I have done all the suggested fixes, starter wrapped in thermal tape, aluminum heat shield, new H/D battery cables wrapped in thermal tape. Running Oddessy battery (always)... Blazer has been sitting for a few weeks, went to start it yesterday, starter dragged a little, thought it might be battery, ran it for a while, check voltage, good, ran for about 10 miles down the road. Came back, shut if off restart, barley turn over, put big battery charger on it, no effect, drag and would not fire. Battery is good under load test. Seems like when it heats up, it dies. Went out this morning, fired up no problem. So, just looking at different options and opinions. Thanks |
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I have had same problem with my 350’s.
I don’t know if I would ever put anything but a high torque starter on my Chevy’s |
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I've run the Summit brand high-torque mini starters on a few vehicles. Have one currently on the 454 in the dually. Never had a heat soak issue with them, even when tucked in behind the headers on a 72 El Camino.
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I've run a Jegs mini for years, never misses a beat.
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Possible the starter brushes are shot. Less then a $10 fix the last time mine went out. And you don't have to deal with a new shim setup.
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You need to pull all the wires off your starter. -You will have a heavy battery cable and a 10ga wire or two on the same heavy stud. Those will all still stay together on the new setup. -You will also have a lighter gauge wire going to the back of the solenoid on the starter. Mount the Ford solenoid somewhere convenient. All of the wires that were on the heavy stud on the starter will go to one of the heavy lugs on the solenoid. The lighter gauge wire goes to the "S" terminal on the solenoid. You need to add one more heavy wire from the other heavy stud on the solenoid to the heavy stud on the starter. Final piece is make a 10ga jumper to go from the heavy stud on the starter to the smaller stud where the lighter gauge wire was. This does a few things - - You no longer have electrically energized wires running to the starter all the time. - You are no longer pushing 10-15 amps through your ignition switch to engage the starter. The Ford uses less than 3A. - You get more power to the solenoid on the starter because you are not running it through 15 feet of wire and your ignition switch. |
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Most importantly is that it gets the solenoid away from the engine heat, especially if you're running headers. The heat is what causes the solenoid to drag due to thermal expansion.
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I’m also running a high torque on my K30 big block 454 with headers, works fine.
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I guess I've been lucky... I've driven Chevy Cars and Trucks my whole life (44 years) and never experienced heat soak on a starter. I have also installed headers on every vehicle I've ever owned. :)
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My '86 K30 with the 454 and headers heat soaks in a bad way. It will be getting a gear reduction starter at some point.
I put a Denso style CVR starter on my Jimmy 20 years ago like in your picture for the same reason, the cast iron bellhousing with it's block mount starter. I would not hesitate to do the same again. GM quit running the old style starts and I have as well. As soon as one takes a dump I usually replace it with a brand new AC Delco gear reduction starter off Rock Auto for about $75. But the cast iron bell makes the non-supported nose type an easier fit. The TuffStuff is only $151 at Jegs... My Jimmy has a 9.8:1 327 in it an the CVR has been great. |
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I understand what your saying, I installed a new MH engine electrical harness, firewall forward when I pulled engine for rebuild. I ordered a Painless Performance Remote Starter Solenoids 30203. I wanted to look at the wiring diagram to see how it works with GM starter. |
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Got the Painless Performance Remote Starter Solenoids 30203 kit. Looked at the wiring diagram, makes sense. Rebuild starter, install the solenoid kit. Its time for new Battery cables. Ill have to hand make those to fit. I will get some picture once its done.
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On the gear reduction starter thing. Later GM rigs run gear reduction starters that are bolt on for earlier engines. |
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I had this problem. Here is a quote from Vettevet who helped me concerning the ford solenoid fix (and he is the best here).
"If the starter turns over it indicates that the solenoid is not heat soaked or it probably wouldn't even click.If you are getting a slow roll all the time when the engine is warm then the Ford solenoid is most likely not going to help." A high torque mini starter fixed it for me. Here is the link to my thread. Lots of good info here. http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=729029 |
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