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Vic1947 04-06-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Xeen (Post 5993726)
I like the new engine parts, combined with the Vortec heads they should really breathe some life into that old small block.
You mentioned something about flat top pistons, did you get those ordered yet?

I ended up having my machinist order the pistons, rings, bearings and other misc. parts for the block and heads. It's more expensive than buying it off eBay, but I feel a whole lot better about it. When I was a kid, I remember a mechanic shop in town that had a sign that read, "You wouldn't take your own bacon and eggs to a café and have them fix your breakfast would you?" When a shop makes a few extra dollars on parts, hopefully it helps insure they'll be there the next time you need them.
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I think you are going to kick my ass in a straight line but I'm gonna have you in the corners, so in the interest of making it fair we have to race on a european style roadway, I think old K4 will do nicely.
:burnout:

I'm too old to kick anybody's ass! ;)

Vic1947 04-06-2013 05:32 PM

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Made some more progress on the door bottoms. Welded in the corner patch then dressed all the crappy looking welds. I know I'll get the hang of the MIG, but it's starting out as a love-hate relationship. Spotwelded the speaker box in place and did some final trimming and fitting. Media blasting turned up some minor areas of rust that I need to patch before welding the door bottom on permanently. Bondo is also covering a dented area someone fixed the old fashioned way ...by drilling holes thru the skin and using a slide hammer with a sheetmetal screw on the end to yank the dent. All the pookey will have to come out so I can weld the holes up. Having the door bottom removed gives me better access for the necessary hammer and dolly work. When the door bottom goes on the final time, I'll dolly down the flanges I left on the corner patch which should give me a nice repair.

Xeen gave me a much appreciated heads up and some good suggestions on insulating the speaker enclosures. I've never done a stereo system that consisted of anything more than four speakers and an in-dash radio. Lots to learn ...hope it doesn't end up being an "old dog, new tricks" deal.

bguild 04-06-2013 09:51 PM

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Vic I hope that hood works out for you. I am glad you can use it because I don't want to store it for the 5 years my project will take. I am also bummed I couldn't stop by Friday. I had to play clean up at work so I was sending emails and making calls all afternoon.
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Vic1947 04-06-2013 11:46 PM

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Vic I hope that hood works out for you. I am glad you can use it because I don't want to store it for the 5 years my project will take. I am also bummed I couldn't stop by Friday. I had to play clean up at work so I was sending emails and making calls all afternoon.
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I'm sure the hood will work great, even before cleanup it looks more solid than what I have. Stop by anytime, there's always metal work in some stage of progress ...from imaginary to reality.

sduckworth13 04-07-2013 04:43 PM

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Vic, you do awesome metal work. You definitely inspire me to become better at it.

Vic1947 04-07-2013 06:00 PM

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Vic, you do awesome metal work. You definitely inspire me to become better at it.

Thanks, Scott, all you need is practice and more practice. Once heard that the only difference between guys like us and someone like the late Boyd Coddington is that his scrap pile is bigger.

502ms 04-08-2013 02:34 AM

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Exciting build. I know the feeling...great work!
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Low Elco 04-08-2013 08:51 AM

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Metal work looks great! MIG tip: I wound up aiming at the leading edge of the previous tack, instead of side by side. Got less light thru after that way. Tell me to shaddup, you prolly know this, just kickin in my .02. Looks great, as always!
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Vic1947 04-08-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Elco (Post 5998025)
Metal work looks great! MIG tip: I wound up aiming at the leading edge of the previous tack, instead of side by side. Got less light thru after that way. Tell me to shaddup, you prolly know this, just kickin in my .02. Looks great, as always!
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Thanks, Chip, I'll give that a try. Still figuring out what angle works best under what circumstances as well as how close and how much wire out the end before striking an arc. Also whether to push or drag the bead. Not to mention how much heat and how fast the wire feeds. Chart that came with the welder is clearly just meant to get you in the ballpark.
Weld spatter already burned a hole thru my jeans. :waah: Like I said before ...thus far it's a love/hate sort of thing. But I really like that it puts waaaay less heat on the parts than the TIG.

Low Elco 04-08-2013 10:16 AM

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Well, if I can impart- Get online and get the .023 easygrind from ESAB. Lots easier to work with, and a Lot softer bead. Your fitup looks terrific. Wire About 1/8 or so out of the shield. Pretty good "pop" on the gas, this all happens in a hurry. Speed at whatever works best, you'll know fast. I tended to go vertical with a 10deg or so tip toward the previous tack. I always got taught to push unless there was no other way. I also had several starts 2-3 inches apart. I dont run a bead on sheet. LOTS of heat that way. I just run tacks over tacks, but I actually kick the heat up a bit for a fast bite, kinda like "flooring" the tig pedal. Here's my pattern-

x----------------x--------------x--------------x---------------x---------------x

then-

x-------x--------x-------x--------x--------x----x-------x------x--------x------x

then-

xx------x--------xx------x--------xx-------x-----xx-----x------xx-------x-----xx

then

xxx-----x--------xxx------x------xxx-------x-----xxx------x-----xxx------x---xxx

and so forth, till your gaps are filled in. Clear you calendar, open a beer, and settle in. Kinda like painting a car. Make a round, go sip you beer. Don't do more, don't poke at it, don't screw with it, don't get horny and just weld 'er up. It actually goes faster than it would seem.

Why am I telling you this? You've forgotten more than I'll ever know.

Xeen 04-08-2013 10:21 AM

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I don't see why you can't use compressed air to cool the metal so you can work faster, but then I'm not a welder so what do I know about it.

Low Elco 04-08-2013 10:25 AM

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Well, you can, and lotsa folks do, but you run the risk of shrinkage, even more than you're gonna see. It's a good management tool though, used properly. I just prefer to go slow. I'm no ones expert on anything, believe it!
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Vic1947 04-08-2013 10:45 AM

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Why am I telling you this? You've forgotten more than I'll ever know.

I'm glad you're telling me this because I'm new to MIG and can really use the advice. Thanks!!

67cheby 04-08-2013 05:40 PM

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that is some impressive metal work on that door

Vic1947 04-08-2013 08:09 PM

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that is some impressive metal work on that door

Thanks! I've seen your build thread and I'll be thrilled if mine turns out even half as nice as your ride.

Vic1947 04-18-2013 08:08 PM

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After spending the last week or so on the CAD program and cranking out some parts for friends on the lathe and the mill, I'm finally back on CRLS. I needed to clean up the inside of the doors so the acoustic sheet would adhere to the surface. After I got the doors back from the blaster, there was still a lot of the original factory asphalt based material on the inner surface of the skin. Blast media won't really touch that stuff, so out came the scraper. Some of the gunk chipped off readily, but most was stuck pretty tight. I quickly tired of using a putty knife and hammer, so while my better half was out running errands, I asked her to stop by HF and pick up a pneumatic scraper. Turned out to be the best 20 bucks I've ever dropped there. I generally have low expectations for their tools, but this one is a solid piece. Took me longer to scrounge up an air fitting and install it than it did to remove the rest of the door crud.

After scraping and wiping down the surface, I cut the Rattle Trap to length and started laying it in. It conforms pretty well with the shop at 70 degrees and it didn't take long to cover the entire inner door surface. I always cover the seams with aluminum Shurtape because when the acoustic material gets warm, it will "bleed" droplets of the black asphaltic material. Covering it with aluminum tape seals the seams and edges and locks in the pookey.

I mocked up the door bottom again and drilled a hole thru the door jamb and one in the speaker box for routing the speaker wires when the time comes. I cut a length of 1/2" thin wall chromoly tubing to run between the jamb and the speaker box. I'll weld the tube into the door jamb and then seal around the other end in the speaker box. Since the tube runs downhill, there should be no way for moisture to enter the enclosure. Now I just have to repeat the process on the driver side door.

bguild 04-18-2013 08:16 PM

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Looking good. I am in the process of dissecting my donor roof. I might need to take you up on that spot welder soon. Are you going to be working on the truck tomorrow? If so I might swing by and say hi.
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Low Elco 04-18-2013 08:22 PM

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Work looks great!
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Vic1947 04-18-2013 09:21 PM

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Looking good. I am in the process of dissecting my donor roof. I might need to take you up on that spot welder soon. Are you going to be working on the truck tomorrow? If so I might swing by and say hi.
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Yep, I'll be here all day. Drop by anytime. Shop is sort of a mess. Had to rearrange everything to make a spot for Silver.

Low Elco 04-19-2013 12:45 PM

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Is the Auction this weekend or next? Good luck either way!

Vic1947 04-19-2013 01:33 PM

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Is the Auction this weekend or next? Good luck either way!

Thanks, Chip! Auction is a week from today. I'm sporadically doing cleanup and a couple of minor fixes to things I've been too lazy to work on up until now. Our storage rental expired yesterday, so we're keeping the Streak here until probably Wednesday. We could check in on Tuesday, but the weather looks better for Wed. Don't know what to expect. Kathy is openly rooting for a no sale. I can live with it either way.

Low Elco 04-19-2013 04:15 PM

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Daaaaang! You better keep her! (The wife!)
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bguild 04-19-2013 05:07 PM

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I was bummed I didn't get by today to say hello. I started watching the news about Boston and it was so interesting I ended up not sleeping at all last night.
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Vic1947 04-19-2013 06:27 PM

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I was bummed I didn't get by today to say hello. I started watching the news about Boston and it was so interesting I ended up not sleeping at all last night.
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Totally understand, I watched coverage this morning from 7-11 before finally heading downstairs. Drop by whenever you get the chance.

Vic1947 05-01-2013 05:14 PM

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The clouds are moving in and the temperature is steadily dropping. High for tomorrow is supposed to be low 30's so I took advantage of the beautiful morning and rolled CRLS outside and took a can opener to the lid. Sparks scorched the abandoned mouse house in the gap between the inner and outer roof panels, but no harm done. Vacuumed about five pounds of loose rust and mouse droppings from the around the edges and surveyed the situation. Note the 3/8" thick layer of filler along the cut above the driver side door. Underside of the roof in that area shows the bondo that oozed thru the holes they drilled to pull a dent. Thankfully, it looks like the new outer roof skin and the inner header panel will take care of 95% of the rot. Rest will have to be handled via patches. Fortunately, Brian G. had several pieces from his donor roof that he re-gifted to me. They will make the patch process go much more quickly. Time to break out the spotweld cutter.

The cab corner on the driver side is a joy to behold. Haven't decided whether to weld up the gaps and massage the bends or just cut it off and put a new panel on. Happily, that's not something I have to decide today.

knomadd 05-01-2013 05:38 PM

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YIKES! That patch looks scary. If it fits better than it looks, I'd just finish the install. If it doesn't fit well, cut it out.

Low Elco 05-02-2013 01:10 PM

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YUMMY! Out of the fryin pan, into the fire! Nuthin but a step for a stepper! Watch and be amazed, boys, watch and be amazed.

Low Elco 05-02-2013 01:13 PM

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You gotta massage the bends anyway, as I recall. A little slice and tweak, no biggie. When you gonna do the floor? I'd like to see that process. On the one hand, it seems like a lotta work. On the other, bang, bang, you're done! As always, if you need help, holler!

Vic1947 05-02-2013 02:29 PM

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You gotta massage the bends anyway, as I recall. A little slice and tweak, no biggie. When you gonna do the floor? I'd like to see that process. On the one hand, it seems like a lotta work. On the other, bang, bang, you're done! As always, if you need help, holler!

Right now, the tentative plan is to prep the cab for media blasting which includes adding some 1x1 braces and gutting out non-structural sections of the old floor. I also need to slice up the bed and tack it back together. Then off to the blasters. That's where you come in. I'll give you heads up when the time comes. Hopefully, you can bring LBT and we can load the frame, cab, bed and assorted pieces on a trailer for transport. I feel hamstrung because I no longer have a hauler. (Which is the raison d'etre for CRLS.)

After I get all the parts back, I'll post the step by step on the floor / firewall replacement. As slow as I am, it may be a while before that happens.

Low Elco 05-02-2013 02:53 PM

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I can bring LBT and a trailer big enough for a bed anytime, no prob. If you need both for a few days, no problem. Just let me know!
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Vic1947 05-02-2013 04:37 PM

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I can bring LBT and a trailer big enough for a bed anytime, no prob. If you need both for a few days, no problem. Just let me know!
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Will do ...and thanks a million!

RatRod68 05-02-2013 05:11 PM

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so i take it this one isn't staying a driver either? lol

bguild 05-02-2013 06:35 PM

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so i take it this one isn't staying a driver either? lol

I am thinking the same thing lol.
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Vic1947 05-02-2013 06:40 PM

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so i take it this one isn't staying a driver either? lol

OK ...it's morphed a teensy bit from the "just make it safe and drive it" plan, I'll admit, but I'm sticking to the driver part. Will take photos with a load of lumber in the back, I promise.

RatRod68 05-02-2013 07:54 PM

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the wood bed doesn't count as a load of lumber. lol

Vic1947 05-02-2013 08:08 PM

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the wood bed doesn't count as a load of lumber. lol

OOOHHH!!! Snap!!!!

Vic1947 05-03-2013 04:59 PM

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Continued with drilling spotwelds around the roof skin perimeter. Slow going as I was having to stand on a milk crate. The workshop has a low ceiling nearby and every time I bumped my head it would make me jump. Nonetheless, I managed to window the rotted area above the door and test fit the patch. Looks like it will make a good repair. Will have it blasted with the rest of the truck so I'll have nice clean metal when I weld it in.

I finally got tired of being in an awkward drilling position, so I set aside my tools and started removing the steering column and the remaining parts that were attached to the cab. I'd cut a window into the floor on Wednesday when it was nice, so I dropped the cherry picker boom thru it and hooked it to a piece of angle iron. Assisted by my able helper, Kathy, we lifted the cab off the frame and set it on the floor. I can now stand flat footed and drill spotwelds till I'm blue in the face.

bguild 05-03-2013 08:07 PM

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I feel for you on the spot welds. I have mine all done. My hand has blisters from holding my drill. After the inner and outer panels and roof I am Spot welded out. When you get ready to do the roof let me know. I can come over to help you sit it in place.
It's looking good!
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Xeen 05-03-2013 08:08 PM

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Heck yeah now you are cooking with gas!

Vic1947 05-03-2013 09:02 PM

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I feel for you on the spot welds. I have mine all done. My hand has blisters from holding my drill. After the inner and outer panels and roof I am Spot welded out. When you get ready to do the roof let me know. I can come over to help you sit it in place.
It's looking good!
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I'll let you know for sure! Headed to Sedalia tomorrow with a 74" long strip of sheet metal for your truck. My finger brake is only 48" so I need to use my buddy's 8 footer to put a 90 in it. After I get back, we can fit it up at your place whenever it's convenient. I'll bring the shrinker and stretcher over to do the curves at each end. We can also spot weld it in if you're ready. Or later if need be. I plan to go to Topeka on Monday to help Xeen drop his 5.3 into the truck now that his redesigned adapters are done.


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