Just Talked To The Edelbrock Tech....
 

Told Him I just read my plugs and they say the engine is running rich. I tried to re-callibrate the carb. one step leaner and it wouldn't hardly run. He says its not a cal. problem but most likely a pressure problem. He says I need to check the fuel pressure and regulate it to 5 to 51/2 psi. I'm using a stock mechanical fuel pump, nothing special. Carb is a 1406 eddy. Have you guys had to regulate your pressure on a mostly stock engine? Is there a good set up that includes a regulator and a pressure gauge for less than John Force pays?

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Every once in a while a stock pump puts out too much pressure. If you have access to another pump you can try it.

Don't know what to say about which one to buy. My friend had a cheapy until it started leaking. Easy way to burn up a truck. I can't remember what he replaced it with.

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What did your plugs look like.

I have never had to regulate the pressure on any of my mostly stock component builds. I.E. fuel pump, edel. carb. Ect.

You can pick up a pretty cheap regulator from summit but stay away from the plastic ones they plane suck previous experience. Long story.

Here's a few Summit has in the 4 1/2 to 9 psi range

RJ22...:)

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Yes,

I've had the same issue with the 1406.
I've purchased a cheap inline fuel pressure gauge to monitor the fuel pressure.
With a brand spanking new fuel pump I was pushing over 10psi. I bought a cheap inline fuel pressure regulator from pep boys for under 25.00 as a temp fix. The regulator allows control from 0-5.5 psi. so far it has has been working. However the regulator is not accurate, I have it set to 5.5 and the gauge reads 5.0

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Well I know a Holley can stand more pressure than the Edelbrock so I'm thinking I might have to get the regulator and gauge like you RM. My plugs looked like they had soot all over them. The ceramic portion was clean but everything else was black. It was dry stuff so its not burning oil. It just looked like it was way too rich. If I can't change the jetting to compensate it I'll have to try what the tech guy said. With the price of gas so high the parts will pay for themselves in no time if it helps my mileage.

When I wanted to play in my little 64 Vette I would re-jet the 750 Holley to run richer and have some fun. My plugs now look just like the old Vette but that motor was well over 400 hp. Before I did the head, cam and exhaust changes the plugs were a nice light tan. Now I'm wasteing gas.

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Nobody else has had this problem? Any feedback?

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there's better ways to mount regulators than just leavin it floopin around and using a dozen hose clamps

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That rubber hose set up above just looked scary to me. The clean look of AN fitting can’t be beat IMO, but can be pretty expensive.
s/t

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can't help on your problem.but,on my edelbrock "tech" line expierence.i wasn't to impressed with there knowledge.he was a expert at skirting around the question,like a politician.but no expert on anything about carbs.

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If it is over pressurized, look at the vent for fuel spillage into the venturi. If you don’t see it, I don’t think you have an overpressure problem.
Where in the RPM range is it fat?
Fat at idle is very common if you have a lot of cam, its hard to keep it running without the extra fuel or timing advance.
Plug readings for the most part are only valuable for full load/RPM readings when it comes to carbureted performance engines. You may have to live with a richer the normal condition to keep the thing idled.

More information about your engine might help. I know you mentioned its mostly stock, but do you have any kind of lumpy cam in it?

Tech guys from these big companies are very low tech. I think they just read things off a trouble shooting guide, most don’t really have a clue or have no hands on experience to help you.
I do however applaud there employers for giving employment to the mentally and emotionally impaired......hey Paris may need work when she gets out........she could work the Edelbrock tech line.

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you must have talked to the same "expert" .:lol:

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GMPP Vortec cast iron heads and a mild cam, .432/.453 lift, 250 and 258 degrees duration. 350 ci with dished top pistons. 2 1/2" dual exhaust with "H" pipe and Flowmaster Super 40 mufflers. So the motor isn't anything radical just a little more torque down low. Its no big deal but I never had a near stock engine that I couldn't dial in a little better than this. It runs great but its just running a little richer than I think it should. I ordered a Holley regulator with a mounting bracket and a pressure gauge with a hose barb fitting for it. After the pressure is set I'll probably remove the gauge. It just bothers me not to have it just right.:(

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Yes. Stock pumps like mentioned can push alot of pressure especially the 2 port pumps with no return line. Using a FPR is nessasary once in a while to help with this especially with edelbrock carbs. Going leaner one step should not have caused driveability issues.

What symptoms besides the plugs are you dealing with? Usually a FP problem with an edelcrap will cause a stalling problem.

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Had to call them twice--wasn't impressed with their 'support' either. As far as I am concerned their tech line sucks. One time I had to figure it out myself by trial and error. The other time I had to kinda reengineer one of their intake manifolds.


edit: forgot to add that what I got from the 'techs' was ''well, did you read the directions?'' that came in the box.

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I think it sounds like you may solve your problem with the regulator but, I wanted to add that the reason most of the "TECH" lines consultants suck is the same reason it's hard to find a good parts store counter person.

The Companies do not want to pay for knowlegable employees. I agree with the above statement that I think alot just read of of trouble shooting pages to give you answers and most have no hands on experience in the area they are working. :(

RJ22...:)

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Did you recheck the float level - we had to lower the floats a little to cure a rich/lite flooding on our 1406, floats were about 3/8 and should be about 7/16.

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Yes I did check the floats. I reset both of them in the uprite and upside down directions. I set mine to close at about 7/16. Maybe I didn't understand the Edelbrock chart. I wanted to go one step down from stock on my 1406. I read straight down the "cruise base line" to the next number which was #8. Then I noted the part # and ordered new metering rods and primary jets. The truck won't hardly run on them. Thats how I got to this spot.

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I bought the Edelbrock fuel pump, already regulated for their carbs.

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I bought a Holley regulator and a gauge. I put the gauge in the line to check the stock fuel pressure and it was 9 psi. The carb is supposed to work with a max of 5 1/2 psi. I installed the regulator and the gauge and adjusted it to 5 1/2 psi. I'm going to clean the plugs as soon as I can and let them run for a week or so and re check them. I'll try to post a pic of it tomorrow. My Son just bought a 91 ferd ranger and its limping around so I get to work on it for Fathers day.:barf:

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Hey Jason, you are dead on about some of the parts people. I was getting some fittings for the regulator at Advance Auto and the counter guy didn't have any idea what npt pipe fittings were! I told him to take me to the fittings and I'll find them. He told me he did not know any of the fitting sizes or how they might hook up to one another! How does a guy get a job in an auto parts store like that?:crazy:

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Pretty much the same way they get a job a McDonalds I would say and It is very sad :(

It has been ten years or so since I worked at my local NAPA and I worked with quit a few guys like that:crazy:

And that is one of the reasons I left. I loved the job THEN, pay sucked and the guys that knew nothing made the same amount as the guys that knew alot. SAD VERY SAD

I say they should spend a little less on advertisements and pay their GOOD employee's better. Their reputation would make them more money than there high dollar ads do. IMO that is!!

Enough on that, How is the truck running now? Did the Fuel Pressure Reg. fix the problem?

RJ22...:)

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I pulled a couple of plugs and they already started looking better. I cleaned them and I'll check them next week, that should tell me. Here's some photos of the regulator set up. I don't know why but it seems I always photograph everything I do to the truck.

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:) well if you photograpph everythin that way you'll have a picture of how it looked before the fire when the ruuber hose junctions fail

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cdowns you do have a funny way of putting thing don't you.:rolleyes:

I agree that there are other ways of doing things but, IMO gator2511 has a decent set-up here. :cool: And it does not look thrown together. I doubt he will have any issues but, who knows, right.

Certainly not you or I so as long as I don't see something that is completely off/dangerous IMO it is just better off left unstated.

RJ22...:)

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Nothing wrong with rubber hose for fuel or else they wouldn't sell rubber fuel hose. If you want a little better then get the USCG approved fuel hose its a little better.