[clay68c10]

That is the temp gun you want. It's a nice way to equate an actual temperature with what the gauge is telling you. I'm not a fan of H or C. I like numbers. Just point it at the water crossover/thermostat area and you will have a close-enough temp reading.

I get you on the time thing. My kids are 6 & 10. I'm just at the point of being able to get things accomplished in small time chunks in these past 2 years. Prior to that, not so much. And we both work full time, so that adds to it. Just chip away at it when you can, and know that it will take a while.

And normally I'd say that you should be warmed up and running with no condensation by the 30-40 minute point, but I hate to get too worked up over something that may or may not be occurring. You could just have a crappy thermostat that is partly jammed open and the engine isn't warming up completely.