Thanks but...iam a horrible welder! My secret is....very hot short welds.like 3/8 ths at a time. It either goes good or i blow a hole in the sheet metal. And clekos. Finally borrowed a set after a lifetime of magnents and screwdrivers. Yep they make you a better welder! Another secret- buy an exspensive machine! I have 3 welders. One cheap , one ok , one exspensive. I suck at it and it saves me. This is a bad peep talk huh!? Just see and hear to nany guys put off by welding and short of life threatening welds , you can do it hack and all and be fine!! Ok back to work!!