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08-06-2014, 12:06 PM | #1 |
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Two Tone BC/CC methods
When it comes to the two tone nason BC/CC painting I plan on spraying the roof white first along with the grille and bumpers. My local paint shop guy suggested I paint the white first then the paint the bottom half base then clear the whole thing. I can't find anything on flash times on the Nason tech sheet for the base coat except for you to wait 15 minutes before spraying cc. My question is I think what the paint shop guy suggested won't work since I will have to let the white base dry fully in order to mask the top off to shoot the bottom base. I suppose I could shoot the white in a single stage but I'm not sure if that would look too dull and non quality? Thanks for any info!
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I have to tell you, I see no reason what so ever to paint the two colors then clear the whole thing. Paint the white, clear it then prep the rest and mask off the top.
This helps to eliminate a PILE of trouble in something getting onto that white while you are painting the bottom, masking, all that stuff. It's WHITE remember, it wouldn't take much! And it frees you up for painting less at a time so you can concentrate on less and be a little more at ease. Brian
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Always do the smaller area first to completion, then when you have to cover the painted area it is small.
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Thanks for the info guys! Makes perfect sense!
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i do it all the time like your paint guy said. it will also eliminate the edge you will get doing it the other way.
spray the smallest part first so there is less to mask. wait at least 4 hours before taping over the base coat. it will all need to be cleared within a 24hr period you could have overspray issues, tho', if you are a sloppy taper |
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I have to say, personally, that "tape edge" is WAY over blown, and the funny part is when people worry about it on a restoration, the factory ALWAYS had a tape edge, two tones and stripes and such weren't buried under clear.
Honestly, it takes a LOT of experience to pull off a job like this if you were to paint both colors then clear over the whole thing, it takes a LOT of experience. I will bet a crisp ten dollar bill that the guy who suggested this at the paint store has never done it. To suggest to a newbe to do this is bad advice if you ask me. Brian
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it's not difficult at all. in fact it's easier.
but i would suggest do it the way you are most comfortable as it's your vehicle not a customer's. don't try that with graphics tho' |
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Easier you say. Maybe for you but taping on 4 hour old base coat and being commited to spraying clear within 24 could end up in disaster for a newbie. There's too many what ifs. Anything that goes wrong and you will miss the 24 hour period then your f&*^$d!
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hahaha i don't care how you want to do it. just answering the original post. however a lot can be accomplished in a 24 hour time span. unless, of course, you are a government worker.
try holding your arms out to your side for 10 minutes. that will seem like a very long time :-) |
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With that said; I agree that a lot can be accomplished in a 24 hour period; however, this is supposed to be a hobby and working around the clock equals becoming tired and that's when mistakes happen. I want a decent end product and I really don't care if I shoot the whole thing in 24 hours as long as I get it done before winter. |
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and your 24 hour time starts after the first color is completed |
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Now with all this info (that is what forums are for, getting different ways is part of it) it can be decided which way to go. Brian
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Simple. If you're an amateur, doing this in your garage, yes, base and clear your smallest and then go to the next step. If you've got a booth, know what you're doing, and have all day, then the all at once is a lot easier. Good luck!
PS- In the shops, I've blue taped over base in about an hour, in a warm booth with air flowin. No problem, if you don't get crazy with pushin' down.
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But we all do it to some extent while putting on my convertible top for the first time. I ignored a suggestion because I thought I understood it different and it ended up biting me in the butt. So though we can do some amazing things because of this internet thing but it isn't perfect. Brian
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just remember to use fine line tape if you two tone base to base. Regular masking tape green or yellow will let the paint bleed and soak up the paint if its used to seperate the colors. Fine line tape will keep this from happening. |
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I just did my cab today, two tone. I didn't use fine line tape though, just the blue, green and yellow that i had on hand. I will pick some up though before doing the rest of the truck. I got lucky and didn't have any bleed
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yes you got lucky - dont mess around with it . |
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I would imagine applying base over clear is a no-no? Last edited by damnyankee36; 10-03-2017 at 11:51 AM. |
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I didn't read this whole old thread but I believe what I was saying was to paint the whole thing white, then mask off the white for the second color and spray that then clear the second color.
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I'm not sure what the tech sheets for Nason say, but with PPG OMNI, tape time is like 40 minutes. Personally, I would base the white, wait however long it tells you to wait to tape it off, base the other color, pull the tape off, wait until the last color has flashed off, and then go in and clear it. Otherwise if you base and clear the white, you have to wait until the clear has cured, then tape it off and sand/scuff right up to your tape in order for the next coating you put on it to adhere. The second way will give you a line that you can feel, too. With a little sanding and buffing, you'll never be able to feel a line where the colors meet doing it the first way. Just my two cents.
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But you have much higher skills than the newbe asking! Brian
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