14-Bolt Traction Device ID... - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

**Ironangel** · 04-01-2018, 12:33 PM

What is this thing? Gov Loc? True Trac? Thanks and Happy Easter!

hjewell2 · 04-01-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironangel

What is this thing? Gov Loc? True Trac? Thanks and Happy Easter!

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**kwmech** · 04-01-2018, 12:37 PM

That is a gov-Loc

*YoungPup1977* · 04-01-2018, 01:12 PM

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**Ironangel** · 04-01-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kwmech

That is a gov-Loc

Thank you KW, your knowledge is well received...

**mongocanfly** · 04-01-2018, 01:19 PM

says here at #10, a govlok has 3 crosspins and a Detroit has 4...http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...etroit-id.html....
if kw says it is id go with that...ive got a 14b in my shop that has the g80 in it I was gonna pull the cover off and see what it looked like

**Ironangel** · 04-01-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungPup1977

Is it a timing gear drive for a 428 cobra ford engine ?

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I think Jesus, like you, has a sense of humor on Easter. It is snowing like the dickens here in SE Nebraska, and that aint no joke! This axle was supposed to be a simple inspect/clean-up for a 1980 K20 with a fuel injected 496 BBC under the hood. These farm kids spare no expense on their trucks! Brakes were so corroded I had to cut the pins and slack adjusters to release the drums...$$$

**Ironangel** · 04-01-2018, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mongocanfly

says here at #10, a govlok has 3 crosspins and a Detroit has 4...http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...etroit-id.html....
if kw says it is id go with that...ive got a 14b in my shop that has the g80 in it I was gonna pull the cover off and see what it looked like

Your kinda losin me here Mongo. I'm a 1/2 ton kinda guy, this 3/4 ton stuff is all new to me...Are you sayin a gov loc and Detroit look alike except for the cross pins? This thing has little screen openings, I haven't rotated and counted the pins..."Yet"...I'm thinking these 14-bolt free floaters would be a bullet proof drag axle! Time for a baked ham dinner, be back later...Thanks for the heads up Mongo, Happy Easter bro...

**mongocanfly** · 04-01-2018, 02:52 PM

no..not alike...but that's a easy way to id since theyre contained in the housing....
1st pics Detroit with 4 pins ,,,and open carrier has 4 pins also
2nd pics drawing [#42] shows g80 with 3 pins

**Ironangel** · 04-02-2018, 10:11 AM

This thing is indeed a gov-loc...I have never seen the inside of one of these but from what I'm reading and seeing, they're not worth the effort and expense of rebuilding? Most get welded for off road use and replaced for street use...The bearings and races are pitted in each hub, I had to cut the pins and remove the anchor bolts with wheel cylinders from the backing plates to remove the drums. Both sides are a complete rebuild, I'm pretty sure the carrier bearings are pitted as well. Thanks again Mongo and KW

**mongocanfly** · 04-02-2018, 12:21 PM

actually from what ive read the 14b govlok is a much better unit than the smaller versions...but I havnt had any issues with govloks in my zr2 or z71s...I did rebuild one in my old 80s square s-blazer yrs ago...wasn't hard at all
they do have a bad rep though [often called grenade-lok]...but to change to anything else will require a carrier swap I think...

**Captainfab** · 04-02-2018, 11:25 PM

Honestly I wouldn't put a Gov-bomb behind an injected 496. Probably should go with a Detroit locker.

*Peanutbutter* · 04-03-2018, 11:37 AM

Doesn't look anything like the gov-lock in my 14 bolt, if it has a device I would think its a Detroit locker. Does it jump a little when you go around a tight corner, hard to tell if its a locker for sure unless you open up the spool.

**mongocanfly** · 04-03-2018, 01:14 PM

pb...all he has to do is count the pins .if he's only got 3 he's got a govlok

04-01-2018, 12:37 PM	#3
kwmech Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colfax-California Posts: 8,420	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... That is a gov-Loc

04-01-2018, 01:19 PM	#6
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,607	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... says here at #10, a govlok has 3 crosspins and a Detroit has 4...http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/gener...etroit-id.html.... if kw says it is id go with that...ive got a 14b in my shop that has the g80 in it I was gonna pull the cover off and see what it looked like __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver

04-01-2018, 02:52 PM	#9
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,607	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... no..not alike...but that's a easy way to id since theyre contained in the housing.... 1st pics Detroit with 4 pins ,,,and open carrier has 4 pins also 2nd pics drawing [#42] shows g80 with 3 pins Attached Images __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver Last edited by mongocanfly; 04-01-2018 at 03:09 PM.

04-02-2018, 12:21 PM	#11
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,607	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... actually from what ive read the 14b govlok is a much better unit than the smaller versions...but I havnt had any issues with govloks in my zr2 or z71s...I did rebuild one in my old 80s square s-blazer yrs ago...wasn't hard at all they do have a bad rep though [often called grenade-lok]...but to change to anything else will require a carrier swap I think... __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver

04-02-2018, 11:25 PM	#12
Captainfab 60-66 Nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Posts: 23,246	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... Honestly I wouldn't put a Gov-bomb behind an injected 496. Probably should go with a Detroit locker. __________________ Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE

04-01-2018, 12:33 PM	#1
Ironangel Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Falls City, Nebraska "100 Miles From Nowhere" Posts: 2,219	14-Bolt Traction Device ID... What is this thing? Gov Loc? True Trac? Thanks and Happy Easter! Attached Images __________________ Michael of the clan Hill, "Two Seventy Two's" 71 1-ton Dually 350 4-Speed 71 C/50 Grain Truck, 350 Split-Axle 4-Speed 02 3/4 ton Express 14 Indian Chief Vintage 1952 Ford 8N, "Only Ford Allowed On The Property" "Be American, Buy American"

04-01-2018, 01:12 PM	#4
YoungPup1977 Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: No longer here Posts: 1,000	Qq Last edited by YoungPup1977; 04-01-2018 at 10:50 PM.

04-02-2018, 10:11 AM	#10
Ironangel Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Falls City, Nebraska "100 Miles From Nowhere" Posts: 2,219	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... This thing is indeed a gov-loc...I have never seen the inside of one of these but from what I'm reading and seeing, they're not worth the effort and expense of rebuilding? Most get welded for off road use and replaced for street use...The bearings and races are pitted in each hub, I had to cut the pins and remove the anchor bolts with wheel cylinders from the backing plates to remove the drums. Both sides are a complete rebuild, I'm pretty sure the carrier bearings are pitted as well. Thanks again Mongo and KW __________________ Michael of the clan Hill, "Two Seventy Two's" 71 1-ton Dually 350 4-Speed 71 C/50 Grain Truck, 350 Split-Axle 4-Speed 02 3/4 ton Express 14 Indian Chief Vintage 1952 Ford 8N, "Only Ford Allowed On The Property" "Be American, Buy American"

04-03-2018, 11:37 AM	#13
Peanutbutter Account Suspended Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Mesa, Colorado Posts: 450	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... Doesn't look anything like the gov-lock in my 14 bolt, if it has a device I would think its a Detroit locker. Does it jump a little when you go around a tight corner, hard to tell if its a locker for sure unless you open up the spool.

04-03-2018, 01:14 PM	#14
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,607	Re: 14-Bolt Traction Device ID... pb...all he has to do is count the pins .if he's only got 3 he's got a govlok __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver



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