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vtblazer · 09-05-2009, 11:08 AM

This guy got lucky!

Mods, maybe putting this in a higher profile location would be a good idea.

http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

vtblazer · 09-05-2009, 11:09 AM

**Yukon Jack** · 09-05-2009, 11:40 AM

Yikes!

snotrod61 · 09-05-2009, 03:47 PM

Wow, that is crazy!

hgs_notes · 09-05-2009, 05:58 PM

Phogene is nasty stuff. We learned about it in the navy many years ago because some of the refrigerants will convert to phosgene when heated. On a submarine, that ain't good.

Big-Blue · 09-05-2009, 06:53 PM

I agree with vtblazer...Mods, can we get this posted maybe on all the sites. This is something that we have all probably been close to doing.

**Tom Vogel** · 09-05-2009, 08:14 PM

Holy....
I use that stuf all the time to clean the oil off metal before I tig weld. Yikes. I guess Ive been lucky. I should say that I use it to clean off new non pitted metal... but still...

powerdriver 1958 · 09-05-2009, 08:34 PM

Not anywhere as bad,parked a pickup in the company shop overnight to tune up in the morning.Tuned it then started it.Choke looked a little gummy so looked for some carb cleaner and found none.Can of brake cleaner was handy so I grabbed and started hosing down the choke and linkage on the carb WHILE it was running.The next breath I took told me I was in trouble.Made a run for the walk in door.Coughed and hacked hard enough to toss my cookies.Guys in the other shop helped and started in the shop.1st in came right back and asked WTH did you do? Welder in the other shop had a air supplied rig and went in and unlocked the shop doors.No lasting effects but that lesson was learned the hard way.

jaros44sr · 09-06-2009, 10:54 AM

THANKS for the heads up! Never heard of Phosgene before, but it sounds nasty and would want to stay away from it...gotta tell my son

I agree on a broader broadcast of this information, everyone should know about this

blazinkrzy · 09-15-2009, 01:00 AM

WHOA!! its a good thing im reading these threads as much as i am. thanks for the warning. i do alot of brakes and alot of welding. i almost didnt see the thread. i strongly agree with all of you about spreading this around better. everyone should know about this, not just welders. there should be some kind of area where WARNINGS!! get posted. so it grabs everyones attention.

**FRENCHBLUE72** · 09-15-2009, 10:25 PM

Wow.... Bad stuff there...

DURRTY · 09-16-2009, 10:22 PM

the crc brake cleaner in the green can wont kill you as fast I have acually welded over the other and its nasty, it smells horrible and made me sick for the day.

**yote1234** · 09-17-2009, 12:06 PM

o u c h !!! that sucks. thanx for the heads up !

Woody · 09-17-2009, 03:39 PM

I too have misused brake cleaner as Carb Cleaner. Sprayed it into my Mom's 95 Buick. Next thing I noticed was the yard was full of white smoke/fog. Got a breath full of it and just about chocked to death. NASTY!!!!!!

**Captainfab** · 09-20-2009, 12:12 AM

I'm glad this is finally getting some exposure. When I posted this last month apparently not many read it.

It is definitely something to be taken very seriously.

vtblazer · 09-20-2009, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab

I'm glad this is finally getting some exposure. When I posted this last month apparently not many read it.

It is definitely something to be taken very seriously.

Almost another 900 people have read it and hopefully they pass it on...and so forth...and so forth...

Easy mistake to make, tough way to learn.

DURRTY · 09-20-2009, 03:30 PM

I almost cant believe this is such an issue. I am not the smartest man around but i usually read the label on harsh chemicals like brake cleaner and other solvents. Especially when they are flammable too.

Use the brake cleaner in the GREEN CAN if you need to clean what your welding on, or use laquer thinner.

I weld in the field for work and use Lincoln LN-25 wire feeders. The drive rolls and wire guides get nasty and I use the green crc brake cleaner in threre often to clean it out with out problems.

The red can will make you sick at a minimum and it that smell doesn't just go away.

Phosgene gas?? ouch Whatever is in the red can is UV reactive and welding puts out 10 times the UV of the sun! So anything you have around that is UV reactive will be ACTIVATED by welding near it..

nds1968 · 09-23-2009, 06:30 PM

Welding in general is dangerous to your health. It can cause cancer, neurological disorders, and reproductive effects. You need to be careful if your welding coated steel and stainless steel also if your flux core welding. I've welded for years and quit my job one year ago. I have sinus problems that still did not clear up. I always wore a respirator (not a paper one either) and turned on the ceiling exhaust fans for ventilation.

http://www.thefabricator.com/Safety/...cle.cfm?ID=851

dwcsr · 09-24-2009, 12:25 AM

This is a great bit of info but it does beg the question. If the guy knows on day 2 that he's been poisoned, knows by what and knows the outcome. Why did he wait 9 days until he's almost dead to get treatment?

I'm sure that if a warning was written on the can in bold letters that stated exactly what he wrote, the outcome would have still been the same. oh wait!!! it was written on the can and he still did it. I wonder if they found any NEW brain damage at day 9?

vtblazer · 11-24-2009, 07:41 AM

Back to the top for more to read...

jgh64pkup · 11-27-2009, 01:50 PM

WOW thanks for this thread i had no ideathat brake cleaner was so dangerous

vtblazer · 10-05-2010, 08:30 AM

Worth a bump, good info if your a welder.

scooterskoolkustoms · 10-05-2010, 09:11 AM

Being an hvac mech I'm well aware of Phosgene gas,never new it about the brake cleaner,THANKS for the heads up.

Psycho71 · 10-05-2010, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooterskoolkustoms

Being an hvac mech I'm well aware of Phosgene gas,never new it about the brake cleaner,THANKS for the heads up.

I'm in the HVAC industry as well. And yes, Phosgene is some serious stuff. I've inhaled more of it than I'd ever care to mention. It's no fun at all.

swamp rat · 10-05-2010, 10:35 PM

Thanks for the bump!

09-05-2009, 11:08 AM	#1
vtblazer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,538	WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder This guy got lucky! Mods, maybe putting this in a higher profile location would be a good idea. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

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vtblazer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,538	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Last edited by vtblazer; 09-05-2009 at 11:11 AM.

09-05-2009, 11:40 AM	#3
Yukon Jack Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Rose Hill, KS, USA Posts: 12,683	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Yikes! __________________ 1970 Blazer with a 400 sbc and 4" lift 1980 Pontiac Trans Am, 455 Oldsmobile 2012 Kawasaki Concours 14

09-05-2009, 03:47 PM	#4
snotrod61 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Modesto, Ca Posts: 2	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Wow, that is crazy! Last edited by snotrod61; 09-05-2009 at 03:48 PM.

09-05-2009, 05:58 PM	#5
hgs_notes GEARHEAD Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MN Posts: 6,115	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Phogene is nasty stuff. We learned about it in the navy many years ago because some of the refrigerants will convert to phosgene when heated. On a submarine, that ain't good. __________________ If no one knows what you're doing, they can't tell you you're doing it wrong HG's Dream Car Build - Shelby Cobra Kit Build your own adjustable track bar 71 Long Fleet C/10 72 Jimmy 4x4 (Junkyard Jimmy) HG's Plow Truck '78 K35 Dually Bigass Farm Truck HG's thread of miscellaneous stuff

09-05-2009, 06:53 PM	#6
Big-Blue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: highland village, TX Posts: 309	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder I agree with vtblazer...Mods, can we get this posted maybe on all the sites. This is something that we have all probably been close to doing.

09-05-2009, 08:14 PM	#7
Tom Vogel 2WD Jimmy Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Davis County, Utah Posts: 2,563	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Holy.... I use that stuf all the time to clean the oil off metal before I tig weld. Yikes. I guess Ive been lucky. I should say that I use it to clean off new non pitted metal... but still...

09-05-2009, 08:34 PM	#8
powerdriver 1958 Kid's Mechanic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City Posts: 8,241	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Not anywhere as bad,parked a pickup in the company shop overnight to tune up in the morning.Tuned it then started it.Choke looked a little gummy so looked for some carb cleaner and found none.Can of brake cleaner was handy so I grabbed and started hosing down the choke and linkage on the carb WHILE it was running.The next breath I took told me I was in trouble.Made a run for the walk in door.Coughed and hacked hard enough to toss my cookies.Guys in the other shop helped and started in the shop.1st in came right back and asked WTH did you do? Welder in the other shop had a air supplied rig and went in and unlocked the shop doors.No lasting effects but that lesson was learned the hard way. Last edited by powerdriver 1958; 09-05-2009 at 08:35 PM.

09-06-2009, 10:54 AM	#9
jaros44sr Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Philadelphia, Pa. 19454 Posts: 9,432	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder THANKS for the heads up! Never heard of Phosgene before, but it sounds nasty and would want to stay away from it...gotta tell my son I agree on a broader broadcast of this information, everyone should know about this __________________ Semper Fi...Uncle Sam, you da man All parts offered to help are free, unless otherwise noted Dont try this stuff in my build thread, unless you have 55 years of mechanical OTJ training SAFETY FIRST AS usual, off topic They say your mind goes second, can't remember the first Jim Last edited by jaros44sr; 09-06-2009 at 10:57 AM.

09-15-2009, 01:00 AM	#10
blazinkrzy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 9	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder WHOA!! its a good thing im reading these threads as much as i am. thanks for the warning. i do alot of brakes and alot of welding. i almost didnt see the thread. i strongly agree with all of you about spreading this around better. everyone should know about this, not just welders. there should be some kind of area where WARNINGS!! get posted. so it grabs everyones attention.

09-15-2009, 10:25 PM	#11
FRENCHBLUE72 PROJECT 7DEUCE Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GRANTS PASS OR Posts: 21,590	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Wow.... Bad stuff there... __________________ GO BIG GREEN GO DUCKS MEMBER #6377 72 k-5 daily driver 6'' lift 35'' 350-350-205 slowly getting rust free. Project "7DEUCE" check out my build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=267665 Tim Powell..R.I.P EastSideLowlife..... R.I.P..

09-16-2009, 10:22 PM	#12
DURRTY USMC Join Date: May 2007 Location: SLc,UT Posts: 300	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder the crc brake cleaner in the green can wont kill you as fast I have acually welded over the other and its nasty, it smells horrible and made me sick for the day. __________________ Semper Fi

09-17-2009, 12:06 PM	#13
yote1234 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gold Canyon Arizona Posts: 4,267	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder o u c h !!! that sucks. thanx for the heads up ! __________________ 1971 K5 CST Blazer 1965 Chevelle Malibu 283 (sadly sold) 1968 Camaro 327 1968 Honda mini-trail z50a #377 1966 uh 1-D Huey

09-17-2009, 03:39 PM	#14
Woody Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Georgetown, KY, USA Posts: 631	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder I too have misused brake cleaner as Carb Cleaner. Sprayed it into my Mom's 95 Buick. Next thing I noticed was the yard was full of white smoke/fog. Got a breath full of it and just about chocked to death. NASTY!!!!!!

09-20-2009, 12:12 AM	#15
Captainfab 60-66 Nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Posts: 23,246	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder I'm glad this is finally getting some exposure. When I posted this last month apparently not many read it. It is definitely something to be taken very seriously. __________________ Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE



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09-20-2009, 03:30 PM	#17
DURRTY USMC Join Date: May 2007 Location: SLc,UT Posts: 300	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder I almost cant believe this is such an issue. I am not the smartest man around but i usually read the label on harsh chemicals like brake cleaner and other solvents. Especially when they are flammable too. Use the brake cleaner in the GREEN CAN if you need to clean what your welding on, or use laquer thinner. I weld in the field for work and use Lincoln LN-25 wire feeders. The drive rolls and wire guides get nasty and I use the green crc brake cleaner in threre often to clean it out with out problems. The red can will make you sick at a minimum and it that smell doesn't just go away. Phosgene gas?? ouch Whatever is in the red can is UV reactive and welding puts out 10 times the UV of the sun! So anything you have around that is UV reactive will be ACTIVATED by welding near it.. __________________ Semper Fi

09-23-2009, 06:30 PM	#18
nds1968 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,694	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Welding in general is dangerous to your health. It can cause cancer, neurological disorders, and reproductive effects. You need to be careful if your welding coated steel and stainless steel also if your flux core welding. I've welded for years and quit my job one year ago. I have sinus problems that still did not clear up. I always wore a respirator (not a paper one either) and turned on the ceiling exhaust fans for ventilation. http://www.thefabricator.com/Safety/...cle.cfm?ID=851 __________________ Nate 1967 short fleet Project Blue Goose 'If it don't bounce back... heeheehee you go hungry!" Blues Brothers

09-24-2009, 12:25 AM	#19
dwcsr Hollister Road Co. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 6,134	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder This is a great bit of info but it does beg the question. If the guy knows on day 2 that he's been poisoned, knows by what and knows the outcome. Why did he wait 9 days until he's almost dead to get treatment? I'm sure that if a warning was written on the can in bold letters that stated exactly what he wrote, the outcome would have still been the same. oh wait!!! it was written on the can and he still did it. I wonder if they found any NEW brain damage at day 9? Last edited by dwcsr; 09-24-2009 at 12:28 AM.

11-24-2009, 07:41 AM	#20
vtblazer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,538	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Back to the top for more to read...

11-27-2009, 01:50 PM	#21
jgh64pkup Sunburst C10!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,560	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder WOW thanks for this thread i had no ideathat brake cleaner was so dangerous __________________ Gage 1967 C10 Shortbed Stepside

10-05-2010, 08:30 AM	#22
vtblazer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,538	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Worth a bump, good info if your a welder.

10-05-2010, 09:11 AM	#23
scooterskoolkustoms Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: so cal Posts: 436	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Being an hvac mech I'm well aware of Phosgene gas,never new it about the brake cleaner,THANKS for the heads up. __________________ big old burb in primer.lot of work to do.

10-05-2010, 10:35 PM	#25
swamp rat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Spanaway Posts: 8,451	Re: WARNING! Read This if You Use a Welder Thanks for the bump! __________________ Mike. Swamp Rat build thread : http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=595019 72 3/4T 4X4 4" BDS Lift 33" BFG's

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