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Old 11-16-2012, 02:41 AM   #451
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came across this in a fellow member's picture album, & I thought of you:

https://plus.google.com/photos/10060...554?banner=pwa
Wow that’s interesting. Thanks for sharing the link. I'll post the photos here for others to see in case the link goes away in the future:





I see he mounted his upside down, so the curvature of the “blades” kind of follows the flow of the Chevy grille opening. I never noticed before how much curve there seems to be. It looks like he also may have added 57 Chevy mesh behind the bar.

I had only seen the Buick grille on Leadfoot Lambert’s truck which inspired me to try it on mine. In the last week I’ve now seen two more applications. It appears there are quite a few out there that like to try a less conventional approach.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:25 PM   #452
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Well I voted today on the Chevy Talk website 2013 calendar contest. I was delighted to find 3 of our trucks made the final 35 (out of which 12 will make the calendar). If you’re a member on that site as well you might want to check it out, since the calendar/voting isn’t announced in the forums. It’s only found at the following link. If you don’t know to look for it, you won’t know there’s a calendar selection going on.

http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/sh...91152/#2291152
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It's neat you and LakeRoadster are both candidates.
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I registered and voted Mark, how did they get ahold of your photo ?
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:18 AM   #455
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:30 PM   #456
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I submitted it earlier in the month. They post a calendar competition announcement in the sub forums, so you kind of need to check in every day during October. Here’s the solicitation this year:

http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/sh...hp?tid/287981/

All you need to do is take a suitable photo per their requirements, and submit it via the email address they provide. It’s open to all registered members.

Looking at the above link further, that may have been a one time courtesy invitation from Hilandr. I’m not sure the main announcement isn’t located only in the forum mentioned next:

Once a photo is submitted, you need to check the “Important Announcements Forum” for when to vote or it will pass you by. The Important Announcements Forum is found at the top of the Forums tab.

http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/index.php?

Just don’t be unrealistic with expectations. I imagine there are a lot more members in the 55-57 Chevy, Camaro, Corvette, Impala, and Chevelle forums than there are 60-66 trucks.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:21 AM   #457
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OooooooOOOoooo Camaro, man you just dont see many of those any more....

LOL, thanks for the info Mark.
I registered just to vote, I doubt I would ever compete.
As far as checking their forums, it would be hard for me to find the time really.
Since I started this build, my input on the Pontiac sites has totally dropped off.
Too much focus on the task at hand I guess.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:24 PM   #458
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just cast a vote for ya mark... good luck.
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OooooooOOOoooo Camaro, man you just dont see many of those any more....

LOL, thanks for the info Mark.
I registered just to vote, I doubt I would ever compete.
As far as checking their forums, it would be hard for me to find the time really.
Since I started this build, my input on the Pontiac sites has totally dropped off.
Too much focus on the task at hand I guess.
Itís pretty obvious where almost all of my internet time is focused based on my post count. Itís around 5500 on this forum, and in the low hundreds (or less) on all of the others.

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just cast a vote for ya mark... good luck.
Thank you!
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:42 AM   #460
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The Stovebolt calendar I ordered arrived today, and I was excited to see what had been done to the photo I submitted. Somebody spent a great deal of time photoshopping the picture to the point it almost looks more like a watercolor than a photograph. In addition to lightening up much of the photo and highlighting the body lines, the sky was also colored blue. Hereís the photo that was submitted:



And hereís what was printed in the calendar (July):



Iím going to send them a thank you as soon as I can get my outgoing email working again.
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Your truck is gorgeous in itself, but Man! - That picture really makes your truck scream amazing!
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that looks real cool... congrats mark.
i want a calendar, guess i will check out their site.
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Thanks guys. Hereís a direct link if youíre interested in obtaining a calendar. They are not inexpensive, but they are done nicely on very high quality, heavy semi gloss paper.


The individual pages can be viewed just below the cover photo. I really like the November and December trucks as well.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:30 PM   #464
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WOW what a job they did. you better save that pic in your computer
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We're thinking along the same lines. It got scanned and saved on two drives before it made it to the truck wall!
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A dead battery this morning prompted another small electrical project. I have a Hotronics Battery Disconnect installed and once the switch is thrown everything in the truck is electrically dead except the clock. The clock only draws a few milliamps, but when the truck isnít driven for a few weeks the draw is enough to significantly drain the battery.

If driven daily the truck will spark to life almost instantly. After several days of inactivity the process becomes challenging since modern gasoline evaporates from the fuel bowl leaving the carb empty. After repeated attempts this morning the battery finally gave up just as the engine wanted to light.

Rather than installing an electric fuel pump (which I donít want) to help resolve the problem, I decided on an easier approach that was free. I put in a winter/summer switch to select the power source for the clock. I installed a double throw, double pole toggle switch in the location formerly occupied by the fog lamp switch:



One side of the toggle switch routes hot power from the battery disconnect and the other side provides power from the cold side of the ignition switch. On the winter setting the clock will stop when the master power is shut down, and require resetting each time the truck is used (the same as having a wind-up mechanical clock). In the months when the truck is driven regularly, a flip of the switch will restore constant power from the disconnect solenoid and keep the clock running continuously.

In previous years my solution was to disconnect the battery when the truck sat for an extended period. This proved somewhat inconvenient especially when I forgot to disconnect the cable and ended up with a dead battery.
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If driven daily the truck will spark to life almost instantly. After several days of inactivity the process becomes challenging since modern gasoline evaporates from the fuel bowl leaving the carb empty.

Rather than installing an electric fuel pump (which I donít want) to help resolve the problem, I decided on an easier approach that was free.
Why are you against an electric fuel pump?
I mount one to the frame right next to the fuel tank and have it switched under the dash.
It is turned on to prime the fuel system and that's it.
After the thing is primed the mechanical pump can handle it from there on and if the mechanical pump fails, I have a backup and it doest need to be expensive.

I do this on anything I don't drive often. (with a carb)
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Why are you against an electric fuel pump?
I mount one to the frame right next to the fuel tank and have it switched under the dash.
It is turned on to prime the fuel system and that's it.
After the thing is primed the mechanical pump can handle it from there on and if the mechanical pump fails, I have a backup and it doest need to be expensive.

I do this on anything I don't drive often. (with a carb)
So once the engine is up and running, you can turn off the electric fuel pump and the mechanical pump will pull fuel through the electric pump even though it's turned off?
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So once the engine is up and running, you can turn off the electric fuel pump and the mechanical pump will pull fuel through the electric pump even though it's turned off?
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I don't even run the motor with the electric fuel pump. If my truck sits for many weeks without being started, I turn on the pump until I hear it reach pressure, turn off the pump and the motor pops right off like I shut it off 5 minutes ago.
I use the electric fuel pump to prime the system only. I don't use it in normal operation.
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Why are you against an electric fuel pump?
I mount one to the frame right next to the fuel tank and have it switched under the dash.
It is turned on to prime the fuel system and that's it.
After the thing is primed the mechanical pump can handle it from there on and if the mechanical pump fails, I have a backup and it doest need to be expensive.

I do this on anything I don't drive often. (with a carb)
Please advise what electric pump you're running (brand, model, or type). I'm ready to start shopping tomorrow! It never occurred to me that a mechanical pump would pull gas through an electric pump that wasnít running, but if youíre doing it Ė it obviously works. I just always presumed the impellers or whatever would block the flow of fuel if it wasnít energized.

My loathing for electric fuel pumps goes back to my first one in the mid 1970ís when I mounted one in my 283 powered 54 Chevy sedan. It lasted a couple of years before it failed and left me stranded. I bought a name brand performance model (twice as expensive) and it also lasted a few years before it also failed, leaving me on foot again. They were always mounted right next to the tank pushing the gas, and the tanks were clean with new fuel lines. The same saga was repeated on a couple of other cars, the last being the 46 Ford that preceded the GMC. I had installed an electric pump because at the time the clearance kit for a mechanical pump had not been developed yet. After about 5 years the first pump failed and was replaced with something that cost a small fortune.

Just a couple of months on the new pump and I got an urgent call from my fiancť Ė she was stuck in the hubcap lane on the freeway with a dead fuel pump. ARRRGGGHHHH!!!

After about 30 minutes of inspecting and testing, it was obvious there was absolutely nothing wrong except the pump wouldnít work. So I did what any rational sane person would do. I took out a 10 inch Crescent wrench and beat the snot out of that miserable piece of crap until my arm got tired. Turns out all it needed was an attitude adjustment. It fired right up and was working just fine when the car was sold a short while later.

When my truck is being used daily, it will fire up almost on the first revolution. Iím running a Powermaster gear reduction starter and it really flings the engine over. After 2-3 days of inactivity it takes a few minutes and a lot of fiddling with the electric fast idle, the choke, and how many times to pump the accelerator. After 2-3 weeks of not being used, itís like trying to start an uncooperative radial aircraft engine. Last time it took so long the battery died before the engine lit.

Thanks for pointing out the solution. Iíd love to not have to deal with this issue ever again.
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You know, I am not sure of the make of the pump I have now but I have used several pumps from different companies.
I bought the pump on my 66 at Checker/O'reilly. ( http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/home.oap )
I know it was universal and not an expensive race application pump like the one I fuel my prostreet with.
I believe I had $50 or maybe a little more into the little booster pump as I call it.
Oh, and when I was having trouble with vapor lock last summer, it helped with that too.
(the reason for the vapor lock has since been fixed)
I just remembered too that I believe I used a Mr Gasket brand on my 70 lemans.
I would think a way to check if the pump will work is if you can blow through the pump when it is off, fuel will go through it too.
Frankly, It never occurred to me that the pump might not work when it was off. It always has and I have used a bunch of different pumps this way. I guess ignorance is bliss with me. LOL
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That is such a cool tip.
My first thought was the fuel wouldn't go through it if it was off. But your suggestion to test it by blowing air through it makes perfect sense.
Again, what a great tip!
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I’ve been reading threads on a variety of forums today and this appears to be a pretty common solution to the problem of vehicles that sit for extended periods. Just charge the system with the electric pump, turn it off, and start the engine. I’m going to go for it too. I’ve been researching fuel pumps all day trying to determine what’s most compatible and reliable.

I’m also realizing some of my history with failed electric pumps may be my own fault. A relay electrical system is required to guarantee a full 12 volts at the pump to keep it from overheating (which I never did previously), and they also need a filter between the tank and the pump (which I only did some of the time). It needs to be 100 microns; nothing finer or the restriction can also cause the pump to overheat. A finer filter (5-10 microns) belongs after the pump and before the carb.

So I’m researching what’s a suitable (and affordable) filter and pump. I already have spare relays, sockets and wiring so there’s no cost involved for that part of it.

I’m thinking it might also be cheap insurance to replace my original fuel pump that’s 20 years old, since nothing lasts forever. The big decision here is whether to go with a replacement 1967-1981 sealed pump which costs less that $20 (which is what I currently have), or go with an earlier 1965 style pump which comes with NPT fittings and can be disassembled and clocked. I could eliminate two rubber lines and 4 hose clamps which would look cleaner, but the pump is over twice as expensive and will also require forming new hard lines coming in and heading out to the carburetor. This option would also require having the fuel lines open for a longer period while everything is fitted, and I absolutely hate working with dripping gasoline.

Haven’t got the answer yet but I’m sure looking forward to having an engine that’s easy to start – all of the time! This is what I love about this forum. Once again another member has shared something I didn't know that helps out with my own build. Thanks again to 66-PMD-GMC and everyone else that contributes here!
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A relay electrical system is required to guarantee a full 12 volts at the pump to keep it from overheating (which I never did previously), and they also need a filter between the tank and the pump (which I only did some of the time). It needs to be 100 microns; nothing finer or the restriction can also cause the pump to overheat. A finer filter (5-10 microns) belongs after the pump and before the carb.
Well now that is a gem of info right there too!
I guess my next stop in the parts store I am going to be looking at filter microns !!
Great info on the dual pumps too!
Though our Pontiacs tend to sit for a year or more at a time, I just took the lazy starts in stride.
Of course a little carb cleaner down the throat helps too !!
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A back up electric fuel pump. I never thought of that either.
The white '67 Camaro in the "I wasn't mad when it got killed" video has that problem. So much so I have to pour a half a Pepsi bottle of gas down the carb before I even try to start it after a long sit.

Parts store here I come!

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