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08-05-2014, 09:35 PM | #1 | |
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Re: My daily driver/beater : How I turned lemons in lemonade
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I didn't take many pictures of the panhard bar specifically during that phase. About the best I have is the two I posted on the page before this one. I did go measure the bar though (its on my bench) and it came out to 34 inches. I'd say rough guesstimate, it was 10 odd degrees off of horizontal when installed at ride height, which is top of axle tube even with bottom plane of the stock frame rails. I won't deny it, I went down the 2 link road somewhat out of ignorance and perceived ease. I knew up front the inherent compromise in pinion angle due to the design. I figured I could live with it. But, once built, as I cycled the suspension with a magnetic angle finder on the pinion, I'd flinch a little bit watching the angle swing. Then the side to side movement once I secured the panhard just kind of put it over the top for me. I sat there on the frame rails with my air hose and ball valve and cycled it a bunch of times with my angle finder and my tape measure and it just didn't speak to me any more. So I took it out and returned to square one. I will say, I've plenty happy with what I have now with the AOL. The only reason I didn't go AOL in the first place was my concern for spring fatigue. Then I figured the worst that could happen is I have to replace some leaf springs sometime in the future. I have a super fantastic local spring shop I can use if I need to. I'm using a pair of Firestone sleeve bags and my existing Belltech Nitro Drop shocks. The way I have it set up now, at full shock extension, the bag is limited at 11 inches. At full shock compression, the bag is at 5 inches. Ride height is about 8.5 inches. I've read that the 9000 series bags are critical to have positive limits to their range of motion. I'll also set up my bolt in bumpstops to assure the max dump doesn't hammer the shocks fully compressed. One area of this project I have enjoyed a lot is making my own brackets. It allowed me to get better with my plasma cutter and press brake. Of course, if a man changes directions as much as I have, I suppose being able to make multiple sets of brackets is necessary simply for self preservation. Lesson learned. There are my mistakes and failures for all to see. And Nathan, don't take this as blatant ass kissing, but I'm real excited to get your crossmember under this truck. You've done the calculating and design so all I have to do is the install. That I can do no problem. I figure after all of my train wreck on the rear suspesnion, the dropmember install should be a welcome relief. Travis had told me he figured I'd have my crossmember by September 1 when I ordered it July 1. At that time he had a pre-existing order placed through you and he earmarked one of them for me. In the mean time, I have a gallon of body filler, gallon of epoxy primer, gallon of 2K primer, and two gallons of paint sitting here. I won't be lacking for things to do.
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08-06-2014, 12:29 PM | #2 | |
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Re: My daily driver/beater : How I turned lemons in lemonade
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I was just curious on the set-up and original layout for mock-up. I am not a big fan of the short bar 2-link due to the pinion angle change... and I could see how that coupled with some lateral shift could turn you off rather quickly. Sounds like you have plenty to do before the front parts arrive! Nate
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08-06-2014, 12:54 PM | #3 | |
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Re: My daily driver/beater : How I turned lemons in lemonade
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So I did comparisons between a 67-72 T/A & a short (</=24" length) bar for pinion change & there was a significant difference from what I recall (I wrote down the info but that was years ago). Combine that w/the fixed poly bushings most use & I don't see how they can work well much less be be 'great'. That being said, we discussed the use of the swivel joint (you know how much I like 'em ) to compensate for the possible binding but didn't discuss shock layout & I feel there prob wouldn't have been the dramatic 'snap' of the tacked mounts had they been set-up to allow lateral shift to compensate for axle movement during suspension travel. I know my original concept for my 'tweaked' 4-bar was similar until I considered that axle had the ability to shift approx .500" through it's 4.5" of movement from ride height (approx 26" Panhard bar). With mine set-up to allow the side shift, there are no issues w/bind (I can install the shocks @ full extension or compression; but it's gets REAL tight between the PHB axle mount & the pass side shock when on the bumpstops). There's not much room for the PHB, PHB mount, shocks & 2.5" exhaust pipe.....
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08-06-2014, 01:53 PM | #4 | |
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Re: My daily driver/beater : How I turned lemons in lemonade
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2-links are quite popular for their simplicity and cost. They work well under certain parameters. For example if you like to drive at a certain height that the travel range is within a 3" variance... with a proper 2-link set up correctly for these conditions, one might not ever have any issues or concerns with the pinion angle change (a few degrees of pinion angle change = driveline harmonics). BUT if one plans to drive the truck at say 5" off the ground and also wants to drive it at 1" off the ground AND also wants to drive it at 10" off the ground (9" or so of range)..... there will be a ton of driveline issues that present themselves over time.
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08-06-2014, 02:12 PM | #5 | |
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08-06-2014, 02:20 PM | #6 | |
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No sir. Business coupe. No rear seat from the factory and the rear quarter windows were fixed and not able to be rolled down. Quote:
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Today I did a bunch of wiring and air plumbing. To power the compressors I ran two individual 8ga wires through two circuit breakers from the battery along the frame rail to the rear power buss bar. Then I plumbed all the air lines throughout the truck and up to the dash valves. Since I'm waiting on the dropmember, I just ran several feet of air line out to each front corner and tied it up out of the way until they're needed. I'm still waiting on a couple of Viair lederhosen with check valves to arrive from a slow ass eBay seller. 9 days waiting so far and the seller is less than 60 miles from my house. They supplied a tracking number immediately but didn't actually drop the package into the system for 7 days. Full up. It's about equivalent to 5 inch static rear drop or so. Mostly full dump. Maybe an inch from fully compressed. I'm confident that when I dropmember the front, combined with that back setup, it's going to sit down plenty low enough to make a statement. And here's why I'll be pretty quiet for the foreseeable future. Nothing glamorous about what this entails. I've used Summit paint products before with good success. If anyone is curious, it's just re-labeled Kirker brand urethane paint. Not top tier stuff, more of a budget line like Omni or whatever. On this paint job, the paint surely won't be the weak link. It will be the trigger operator I'm sure.
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