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Old 01-04-2018, 09:55 AM   #1
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Lightbulb 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

There were three fuel valves used between 1973 & 1991.
None of the systems are rocket science to repair once you understand what makes em tick.

On all three systems...
-The fuel is routed from one of the tanks to a common OUT port. Only one tank at a time is valved open to the output port.
-If the truck is equipped with a fuel return line the common return port from the engine is switched from tank-to-tank as well.
-On systems with a return line... The return line should be routed to the tank that fuel is being drawn from. If you mix up the return lines you can overfill the tank not being used. Hosing down the guy in the next lane with raw fuel may not garner a friendly reaction.
-Both LH tank lines into the same side and both RH fuel lines into the opposite side.
-the COMMON side of the valve To/From-The-Engine only has 1 or 2 lines. Feed and, if equipped, Return.
NOTE: It's worth noting the 1981-1991 systems likely all have return lines. I haven't run into one without.

**1973 & 1974 & some 1975
Cable System... had a cable operated valve with a SPDT switch behind the dash knee panel that activated via the cable to run the fuel gauge. If you google it you'll find a thread on Chris's board about the valves with pictures of this setup. This is LONG obsolete. Folks replaced them with the 75/76-80 system when the parts ran out but there are a few survivors. NOTE: I'm not sure whether this system used the NL2 RPO or not... The 1975 wiring diagrams list the cable system and then NL2 in separate panes.

**1975/76-1980

Solenoid system... used a single wire solenoid valve with three or six ports.
--The valves returned to a rest position as soon as power was removed. In 1980 GM added a retained power relay to keep the valve energized in the AUX position while cranking. <-- Click to see the post about this timer relay.
--The AC Delco 467513 Six port valve or a similar function unit was used on trucks that came with return lines. These are not being produced by Delco or any other manufacturer. If you feel like spending big bucks search that part number they occasionally show up on evilbay.


--Three port valves were for trucks without return lines.


NOTE: Standard Motor Products sells a three port version FV1 but there are no six port solenoid valves available. Folks have used the 1981-1991 Pollack valves but generally they butcher the wiring.

-Four wires run through the firewall.
--Two tank sender wires.
--One Dash Gauge feeder wire.
--One Solenoid Valve power wire.

-The dash switch is a five terminal DPDT (Double Pole Double Throw) ON-ON rocker switch.
----Each switch is called a pole and each switch position is called a throw...
------Double Pole means there are two switches actuated by one rocker.
------Double Throw means there are two different switch positions with a common input or output terminal.
------ON-ON means there are two ON positions with no centre OFF position.
--The reason there are five and not six terminals is to key the switch to the connector such that it can only be plugged in one way. You can use a standard 6 terminal DPDT ON-ON rocker or toggle switch by clipping off one of the switch terminals to match the original switch.
--On the three terminal side of the switch there's one wire direct to the dash gauge in the common position and the fuel level sender wires to the switched terminals. This selects which sender is routed to the dash gauge.
--The two terminal side of the switch is still a double throw switch but it's missing one of the switch terminals to key the connector. This is so it can't be plugged in backwards. It also assures that the unwashed masses will buy switches from GM and not McMaster Carr or Grainger or... It has one power wire from the fuse panel, or a relay in 1980, on the centre common terminal and a green wire that routes power to the solenoid valve when the switch is set in the AUX position.

This is a depiction of the internal switch action.


Contrasting color diagram to show function... Not GM wire harness colors... The wire colors vary bay year and can be found in the wiring diagrams for your year truck.

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Old 01-04-2018, 09:55 AM   #2
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Lightbulb 1981-1991 NL2 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

**1981-1991
Motorized Valve system... used a six port motorized valve made by Pollack. These are still being produced by Pollack on Jan 1st 2018.
  • The "universal" valves that claim they're three port usually have all three return line ports capped. You can use either just be sure to cap any unused ports to keep dirt out of the valve guts.
  • The later motorized valve remains in the last switched position unlike the earlier solenoid valves.
  • Pollack 42-159 Motorized valves are available with 65PSI limits for some, but not all, later EFI systems. The originals were rated for lower pressures.

Electrical;
  • The Pollack valve uses five of six cavities in a Six position Weatherpack plug. A-E are used. F is plugged with a seal.
  • Internal to the valve are two diodes to prevent power being routed to the motor from D or E once the valve shuttle has reached the end of its' travel.
  • The motorized valve has a SPDT switch to control which sender feeds the gauge shortening the wiring considerably.
  • *The gauge/Sender wires are on positions A, B, & C of the valve.
  • **Senders from the tanks are on switched terminals A & C.
  • **The gauge output is on Terminal B. This wire runs to the molded sender wire connector on the RH frame rail. This allowed GM to just drop in the NL2 as a sub harness without having two main harnesses.



Motorized tank switch details...
  • The above switch depiction is a Polarity Reversing DPDT switch used to turn a DC motors forward or backward depending on position. GM used a proprietary switch but this exposes what the GM switch actually is doing.
  • Two of the switch contacts do not have terminals. These contacts are bridged back to the other switched terminals diagonally across the switch.
  • Output to the DC motor in the valve comes from the common terminals of the switch.
  • Power and Ground run to one switched terminal of each half of the switch.
  • When the switch is toggled to the opposite position the LH & RH MOTOR terminals of the switch reverse polarity. + becomes - and - becomes +. The valve motor then runs in the direction dictated by the polarity it's receiving on D & E til the stop on the valve shuttle cams the internal gauge and motor switches over to the switch leg with a diode that blocks the incoming current. The motor then stops til the dash switch is toggled back to the opposite position.
  • You can see below that... On the 1987 RV series TBI trucks the selected fuel pump receives Power on the wire from the switch so it will activate because it has power and the shared frame ground. The UN-Selected pump receives Ground on the wire from the switch thus shutting it down because it now has two ground wires and no power.
The following three panes should be pretty decent visuals of what I was saying with the last two above bullets.
NOTE: Stock 1981-1986 & Diesels don't have a 2 position Weatherpack disconnect at the sender with Fuel Pump Power (just a single sender wire from A or D on the valve), and obviously no in-tank fuel pumps, they are otherwise identical in function to the TBI setup.
TBI TANK SWITCH SET TO RH

TBI TANK SWITCH SET TO LH

1981-1986 & 1981-1991 Diesel TANK SWITCH SET TO LH

NOTE ON SWITCHES:
  • Usually, but not always, the switch is at fault for a non operational valve. The switch is cheap as in $10-$15. Change it if the wiring looks OK and the valve doesn't work.
  • 1981-1991 I ALWAYS REPLACE the motorized valve switch with the 1987-1991 RV series AC Delco D7809 or Standard DS-1807 1987-1991 R/V 10-30 "TBI" ON-ON switch. I never have been able to figure out why GM used a centre off switch on the early 80's trucks... The Pollack motorized fuel valve always had the over-travel protection diodes and switch built in.
  • For those of you that want a "Correct restoration" 1981-1986 GM used The AC Delco D7003 Momentary ON-OFF-ON switch that has "DEPRESS FULLY" emblazoned on the bezel. I NEVER USE THE D7003 SWITCH... IMHO it's a problem child because of the momentary action.

1987-1991 RV series TBI Fuel Pump Relay for TBI tank switch and fuel pumps.

Year specific information can be found in the 1987-1991 Emissions and Driveability service publications. You can find them in my manuals post.

The TBI fuel pump relay (AC Delco 158240 Multi-Purpose SPDT Relay) can be found on the firewall between the transmission tunnel and the Heater/AC box.
Fuel Pump relay without the transmission kickdown relay. You can see the pump test terminal dangling beside the split loom.


A Hot Start Fuel Pump Controller is mounted behind the dash on some 5.7L and all 7.4L TBI trucks.

More pictures of the harness plug behind the instrument panel are in this thread. -->http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=757299

RV series TBI Fuel Pump Relay test terminal.
The Fuel Pump Test Terminal that's present on all RV series TBI trucks is shown pulled away from the harness.
This picture also includes a transmission kickdown relay mounted next to the fuel pump relay. The kickdown relay is supposed to be mounted nearer the RH side of the engine bay (US passengers' side) on the tabs. The two relays are the same part and it's been 30 years, give or take, since it rolled off the assembly line...
You can also find this AC Delco 158240 multi-purpose SPDT sealed Metripak 280/630 relay and mounting tab used elsewhere in the engine bay for DRL on some Canadian models, Aux cooling fan, Glow Plug Inhibit, and probably other things. The replacement plug is a Delphi Metripak hybrid 280/630 # 12052287 or AC Delco PT1115 is the plug with a repair pigtail.


Fuel Pump Relay Control
  • When the ignition switch is turned ON the Electronic Control Module (ECM) will energize the coil in the fuel pump relay. The ECM will energize the fuel pump relay coil as long as the engine is cranking or running and the ECM is receiving distributor reference pulses. If there are no reference pulses the ECM will cut power to the fuel pump relay coil within 2 seconds after ignition ON.
  • As a backup system to the fuel pump relay, the fuel pump can also be turned on by the oil pressure switch. The oil pressure switch is, normally, open and closes when oil pressure reaches about 28 kPa (4 psi). Fuel Pump Power through this switch is also cut if the engine stops running as the oil pressure will drop.
  • If the fuel pump relay fails, the oil pressure switch will run the fuel pump to allow you to drive to a safe location and repair the problem. However. You will experience extended cranking times because the fuel pump will not run at all til the starter builds oil pressure. This will shorten oil pressure switch and starter lifespans if the failed fuel pump relay is not diagnosed and corrected.
  • The pump will deliver fuel to the Throttle Body where the system pressure is controlled to about 9 to 13 psi. Excess fuel is returned to the fuel tank by the pressure regulator.
  • A Hot fuel module is used on all 7.4L and some 5.7L engines to correct a hot restart (vapor lock) during a high ambient temperature condition. It is designed to over-ride the ECM 2 second pump operation and will run the fuel pump for 20 seconds at initial ignition switch "ON”.
  • The dual tank switch harness connects switch power at the "Bulkhead Connector", replacing the fuel pump power wire with the NL2 harness, in the below Fuel Pump Relay schematic.



All years NL2 system NOTES:
  • Since the 1975/76-1991 NL2 dual tank systems used a sub-harness that plugs into the RH tank sender wire on the RH frame rail and power comes from the fuse panel under the dash or the TBI fuel pump power connector. It's fairly easy to retrofit and or update to a later model system.
    This is a picture of the molded pin connector in the fuel gauge wire near the valve courtesy of Dukagora. I believe it's the same connector as the end that plugs into the pin on the senders.


  • You can swap a 1981 -1991 motorized Pollack valve sub harness into a 73-80 truck. You need the entire later model NL2 sub harness soup to nuts... from the fuse panel/ground bar to the dash switch and down to the valve and gauge wire disconnect on the frame. Two wires run through the firewall to the valve and one wire from terminal B of the valve to the RH frame rail disconnect of the "production tank" sender wire.
  • BTW I've used the Delphi Packard 56 switch plug for a 73-80 system on a generic polarity reversing switch and rolled my own harness to convert a single tank truck to a dual tank truck. Much easier to drill a 1/2" hole for a generic polarity reversing toggle switch than cut and file a square hole for a GM rocker switch. The toggle pointed to the enabled tank so no bezel was required.
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Old 01-04-2018, 12:50 PM   #3
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

Awesome info. Thanks for sharing. You got any info like that regarding the vent lines/canister,etc?
Specifically, I just want to know if using a vented cap will prevent any issues if I remove my charcoal canister and use the vent line for my EFI return line.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:23 PM   #4
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

The vapor lines are tiny.
I'd keep the charcoal canister. It'll keep the garage from smelling like gasoline in the summer. You can simplify to a 1970's three hose can. Vapor, Ported Vacuum to run the valve, and SAE J30R7 purge hose teed into the PCV valve hose.

If you're installing EFI you'll want to have the baffled R/V 10-30 series 1987-1991 tanks. Get the TBI senders for the later tank that already have return lines... That's what I did with my 76.
TBI had the in-tank fuel pump hanging from the sender.
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Thats great info
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Nice writeup. I bought a switch and valve for my 81 because the right tank will fill when using the left tank as the draw even though my fuel pump only has 1 inlet and one outlet to the Holley. It baffles me. But now I can check the wiring and hoses when I replace them.
If there are return lines at the senders i was thinking of running a hose up high to a fuel filter as a breather. I might have a charcoal can on one of my parts trucks that I can use instead.
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It's real easy to swap the returns such that you're filling the un-selected tank from the engine fuel return.
I always double check the hoses on the LH side and RH side of the valve are coming from the same sender hoses. Green and Blue painters tape makes good assembly identification.

I'm not saying it's impossible to leak past the return o-rings on the valve shuttle but it would be very unusual.
Swap the return hoses on the tank side of the valve so the supply and return from each tank are on the same side LH supply & return in the LH side of the valve and RH supply and return in the RH side of the valve instead of opposite sides. This will likely fix the problem. Then you can take the replacement parts back to the store.
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This is excellent. I needed to know this stuff.
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Thanks a lot for this great info!
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Added 1987-1991 TBI fuel pump relay information.
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Hatzie,
Thank you for the diagrams and info as I've swapped a 5.3 into my 84' SWB and I've purchased the FiTech Ultimate LS management system. I purchased the 87' baffled tanks along with 87' sending units and Walbro 255 pumps all already installed. My original harness obviously lacks power for the pumps as it ran off of a mechanical. I visited Painless today and one of their engineers drew a diagram for wiring up to the OEM switch as long as the FiTech system supplies the 12v power. My question is simple, is there a vendor that I can source an 87' harness so that I can "plug and play" the wires on the 87' sending units thereby powering my in-tank pumps and sending units when switching tanks or will I be relegated to fabricating my own harness???? Any help would be greatly appreciated. FYI I'm new to all of this ! Father passed away and I felt compelled to attempt a frame off on the only "NEW" truck he ever owned...........

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Thank you for the diagrams and info as I've swapped a 5.3 into my 84' SWB and I've purchased the FiTech Ultimate LS management system. I purchased the 87' baffled tanks along with 87' sending units and Walbro 255 pumps all already installed. My original harness obviously lacks power for the pumps as it ran off of a mechanical. I visited Painless today and one of their engineers drew a diagram for wiring up to the OEM switch as long as the FiTech system supplies the 12v power. My question is simple, is there a vendor that I can source an 87' harness so that I can "plug and play" the wires on the 87' sending units thereby powering my in-tank pumps and sending units when switching tanks or will I be relegated to fabricating my own harness???? Any help would be greatly appreciated. FYI I'm new to all of this ! Father passed away and I felt compelled to attempt a frame off on the only "NEW" truck he ever owned...........

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You'll probably have to fab your own harness.

It's not as bad as it sounds. Lay the original out on a sheet of plywood and place nails at the bends and end points so you can lay out the new wires to match. Leave around 4-5" extra at the termination points and put wire ties at the breakouts to keep the wires organized til you wrap them with split poly or wire harness wrapping tape (NOT Electrical tape).

The factory connector part numbers are in the 88-91 schematics. Mouser Electronics and NAPA sell Weatherpak, Pak Con, and Delphi Packard 56 connectors and terminals.

The Pak Con ignition power connector for the system is obsolete. The Pak Con terminals are not. You can probably carefully liberate one off your factory motorized valve NL2 harness.

You will need to liberate the obsolete Packard 56 switch connector from your 81-91 factory motorized valve harness along with the firewall grommet and wire boot.

If your truck was not equipped with the NL2 dual tanks a 1/2" round hole, for a toggle switch, is much easier to drill than a rectangular hole for a GM rocker switch... you just use a 20A Polarity Reversing toggle switch and a Packard 56 keyed toggle switch plug 12052978 connector.
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Popeye...I messaged you that I offer ready to run dual tank harnesses for your exact application-let me know if you need one! Pic is for reference regarding one if many versions of the harnesses I have on hand for this setup.
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Awesome Awesome Awesome, this should be a sticky... thank you
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ok I am still having trouble figuring out how to get my dual tanks and fuel gauge to work in my 77 k3500 with a 6.0 ls engine swaped in ..they are 5 wires on my tank switch blue green tan/white pink/black and tan,,,,, I have bought a new tank switch and Pollack switching valve there are only 4 wires that can go to the new dash switch what wire needs to go where ?? and the one wire that is left there where does it go???? also I tried to put the new switch in the old factory square hole but it acts like the square hole is not big enough any help will be thankful.
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Read the first post for how the gauge circuit works on the pre 1981 system.

The existing solenoid valve will not handle the pressure for the LS fuel injection.

You can't easily use the existing early dual tank wiring.

The easiest solution is to find or fab a 1987-1991 NL2 sub harness. The newer switch is probably larger than the hole. You're going to have to file it larger
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

ok will just fab up a new harness and get rid of the old I have been trying it with the old harness with no luck
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Old 02-18-2018, 07:26 PM   #20
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

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Old 07-27-2018, 07:53 PM   #22
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

I knew I saved this thread for a reason. I am trying to figure a couple things out to troubleshoot my system. I have an 85 2wd C10 w/ saddle tanks. First, it was hard to switch tanks, sometimes not work at all and the fuel gauge isn't reading accurately. It isnt going past 3/4 on either tank. I noticed the dash switch was kinda sloppy so I replaced it. It helped the switching back a little but, the fuel gauge still isn't right. Filled up on the right tank yesterday and it went to 3/4 then, filled the driver's tank today and it went up to 3/4.... could this be the Pollack Valve or a connection issue?

I think its odd both tanks are reading the same error - what is the common denominator that would cause that to happen?

Also, it isnt the original motor... it has a 350 - no canisters or emissions hooked up to it. - if that helps.
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

If it was just one tank I'd look at the sender or wiring but this is the same on both tanks and it's exactly the same on both tanks...

What's the same no matter which tank is selected??? The fuel gauge and the sender wire from terminal B of the valve to the gauge.

Typical Fuel Sender Resistances were within 3Ω or so on my test gauges from several different years:
  • E = 0-3Ω
  • = 26-32Ω
  • = 42-48Ω
  • = 61-67Ω
  • F = 87-93Ω

is less resistance than F. The only way to get less resistance in this circuit is for the wire insulation to be rubbed through and make an intermittent ground connection. That's unlikely to be repeatable over time.

I'd say it's probably the gauge itself.
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

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If it was just one tank I'd look at the sender or wiring but this is the same on both tanks and it's exactly the same on both tanks...

What's the same no matter which tank is selected??? The fuel gauge and the sender wire from terminal B of the valve to the gauge.

Typical Fuel Sender Resistances were within 3Ω or so on my test gauges from several different years:
  • E = 0-3Ω
  • = 26-32Ω
  • = 42-48Ω
  • = 61-67Ω
  • F = 87-93Ω

is less resistance than F. The only way to get less resistance in this circuit is for the wire insulation to be rubbed through and make an intermittent ground connection. That's unlikely to be repeatable over time.

I'd say it's probably the gauge itself.
Right on Hatzie, I need to pull the dash apart to change my dash so, while I am in there, I will do some testing. thanks for the tolerances - as always, I appreciate your knowledge and guidance.
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HA! So, I started the truck this morning and the gas gauge read right on full.... then, after driving about 2-3 miles, she topped out about 1/4" past Full - I swear, these square bodies and their electrical issues. I miss my 67 c10 so bad right now! LOL
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