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06-02-2020, 11:43 PM | #1 |
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One wire Alternator with a twist and other wiring harness qustions.
I have a 1970 C30 that I am doing a cummins swap on. I have upgraded the in cab fuse box with a 18 circuit box link here. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=800315
Now I am on to the engine bay side of the harness I plan on installing a relay box for all my add ons/ upgrades ( dual electric fans, headlight relays, several other lights, grid heater and on board air ETC. I am going through the harness and I am rearranging a few things. As I have moved the battery behind the cab on the driver side. At the moment I am trying to wire up my Alternator. I did the one wire conversion to the stock dodge Alternator. I have the main power wire coming off the Alternator going to the starter. Then I have the starter going to the positive terminal on the battery. My plan is to run the red 12R wire to a relocated junction block that connects to the relocated battery. I have three other terminals on the alternator one is for a positive keyed power wire, the second one is not used it is a field terminal. The third is a field terminal that is used for a diesel tachometer. What should I connect the brown 16BRN wire to? I think it is for the charging light. Can I use the wire that went to the coil the 20Y = 20W/OR/PPL for my switched power for the terminal on the Alternator? This is what I am thinking about doing. cummins c30 alt wiring by jarrod vanwinkle, on Flickr This is the stock harness stock v8 c30 engine bay wiring by jarrod vanwinkle, on Flickr A link to the stock harness http://www.chrismeadtattoos.com/wiri...ruckwiring.jpg I found this in another thread on wiring a gm one wire Here is my Alternator the red wire is for the tachometer. The orange wire is for keyed positive (the sensing wire) the green wire is unused field. IMAG2842 by jarrod vanwinkle, on Flickr |
06-03-2020, 11:32 AM | #2 |
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Re: One wire Alternator with a twist and other wiring harness qustions.
That Alternator is a Denso externally regulated alternator. The green would have gone to the voltage regulator to control output. How did you convert regulation to make it one wire?
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06-03-2020, 04:17 PM | #4 |
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OK I didn't see the wires going into the back cover on your picture, that's why I ask.
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Re: One wire Alternator with a twist and other wiring harness qustions.
I can take a stab at answering your question about the brown wire. It is not used in a 1-wire alternator application. Normally it would be used to operate an alternator trouble indicator bulb in the dash (if you have that kind of dash), and is also used to tell the alternator to turn on (excite I believe they call it).
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As for the wire that went to the coil the 20Y = 20W/OR/PPL in the diagram My 20w wire is a white cloth wire from what I have read it is a resistor wire and only supplies 9 volts. I have repind the wire with a 12 gauge wire. It is a unfused wire Should I fuse it? IMAG2971 by jarrod vanwinkle, on Flickr I have I have two inline fused wires 20B/w and 18B both go to the battery but the diagram does not say what they go to anyone know what they are for and what amp fuse they use? I plan on running them to my relay box I has 3 extra fuse slots so I can convert it to a blade style fuse. IMAG2972 by jarrod vanwinkle, on Flickr |
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06-04-2020, 06:43 PM | #7 |
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20B/w and 18B wires are for your battery gauge. It is an ammeter that measures the current going toward your battery during charging, and measures the current discharging from your battery when you are running accessories without the engine on. A necessary part of the ammeter circuit is an approx 6 ft section of 12 gauge wire that goes between the alternator and battery as shown in the factory wiring, I've highlighted it here in yellow.
The ammeter measures the voltage difference between each end of the highlighted wire, and that is translated to amps. Your new wire arrangement does not do anything useful for the ammeter, so you can remove the 20B/w and 18B wires with fuse holders. Last edited by dmjlambert; 06-04-2020 at 06:58 PM. Reason: clarity |
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I am however considering using it as a switched power source to power the relay box. I don't know how many amps are needed to switch a relay on, but from what I have read I can use as little as a 4 amp fuse. So I don't think it would affect the sensing wire enough to matter? |
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06-21-2020, 01:30 AM | #10 |
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Re: One wire Alternator with a twist and other wiring harness qustions.
The drawback of using the old resistor wire circuit for alternator sensing is if you have a voltage drop (Say 2 volts) in the circuit between the battery and the end of old resistor circuit at the alternator. The alternator would begin charging to bring the voltage it was sensing up to 14.5 volts. At that point your voltage to the battery would be 16.5 volts. Voltage sensing to control the alternator output should come from the battery. Batteries not tolerant of over or under charging.
There are too many points (i.e. connections and switches) for a voltage drop(s) to develop between the battery and the alternator sensing using the old resistor wire circuit for my comfort level. Just my opinion. Have you read the Mad Electrical information on alternator operation? It may help answer your questions. Here is the link if not. http://www.madelectrical.com/electrical-tech.shtml
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What does the Cummings swap involve? are we talking Diesel with no ignition except glow plugs, high pressure fuel pump, mechanical injectors ?
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