200-4r problems and questions

[Keepitcoastal]

Have afew questions about this transmission. Does this transmission require a special type of auto tranny fluid??

Also in the morning I will post a picture of the geometry of the TCI edelbrock carb bracket and linkage relocator I bought. it just dosent seem right to me. Has a bad angle makes the plastic tv linkage peice want to pop off at Wot. Tranny shifts okay and is fine for cruising but is slipping when given any real power.

It's filled with regular oriellys automatic transmission fluid at the moment

[cableguy0]

It takes dex 3. If its slipping under power I would pull the unit out and send it back to the builder.

[storm9c1]

What do you mean by "regular" ??? A "Dexron III" spec (or newer) should be just fine.

[Keepitcoastal]

It's dex3 fluid in there...

Sadly no builder for this transmission, yet anyway. Came from craigslist with an engine I bought. Came extra for free so I can't really be mad. Looks like I will be putting the th350 back under and send this to a local shop for a rebuild.

Figured it was worth a shot. The engine and transmission came from a car his friend had apparently totaled so after it passed a visual inspection figured I'd hook it all up

Idk how he was going fast enough to total the damn car if the thing slips given any real torque

[Keepitcoastal]

Can sombody post pics of how there tci relocator setup looks? It's stupid to me I bought an edelbrock specific carb setup that needs tons of modifications to work?!? Wtf is that? Just make a freaking universal one...

Here's how the tci gear wants to work on its own.

That nice angle makes the tv cable pop off the linkage if Im playing with Wot

[Keepitcoastal]

Anybody?

[cadillac_al]

That linkage is all screwed up. It doesn't look like the right one to me. The pin (?) for the trans cable is usually an inch or so below the throttle lever pivot. Yours looks like it's about even with the pivot and swings around the pivot; screwed up. And it sticks out too far, as you must have already noticed, putting it at a bad angle. I can post a pic of my simple set up tomorrow later in the day when I get done plowing and shoveling. Somebody will probably beat me to it anyway which is fine by me. My simple setup was on it when I got it and I planned to upgrade it somehow but so far it has been working fine. It is just a couple bolts and a few nuts in the original gold lever; no extra lever or adapter.

[Bigdav160]

All I can say is "no wonder you have problems"

That is the wrong combination of parts. Something like this

[Keepitcoastal]

Originally Posted by Bigdav160

All I can say is "no wonder you have problems"

That is the wrong combination of parts. Something like this

Wtf!!

I specifically ordered tci relocation bracket for edlebrock carb and 200-4r transmission from TCI directly!

In looking at my receipt now and it says I ordered the parts I needed.

[Keepitcoastal]

Can sombody please post more pictures of the brackets they got from tci? And how they have them setup. This is just stupid. I knew there was somthing wrong with the mount as soon as I put it on. It just didn't line up right.


The bag the bracket was packaged in had a sticker on that says edelbrock relocater kit for 700r4 and 2004r transmissions

[Keepitcoastal]

This transmission is getting pulled and rebuilt anyway so I guess it's just whatever. But I defiantly want to get to the bottom of if I got the wrong parts or just installed them wrong?

[67swb72klb]

some more info dont drive it anymore till you get the cable right
it must pull in a straight line

http://www.ckperformance.com/resourc...CALMANUAL.html
SUBJECT: Proper installation of the throttle valve cable on after-market carburetors or fuel injections. This information applies to all 700R4, 4L60 and 200-4R transmissions. Throttle valve cable adjustment instructions, numbers 4, 5 and 6.
#1. The button that the cable hooks to at the carburetor or throttle body must have a 1 and 3/32-inch radius from the center of the throttle shaft to the center of the button the cable hooks to.
#2. Looking at the throttle shaft lever from the left side at idle position, 33% of the throttle lever total travel must be to the rear of the throttle shaft centerline. And at wide-open throttle, 67% to the front of the throttle shaft centerline. This will be about ½-inch to the rear and 1 inch to the front of the throttle shaft centerline.

#3. The throttle valve cable must be hooked up in this manner so the pressure will rise faster off idle and slow down at heavy throttle. If the pressure cable is pulled in a more even manner the pressure will be too low at light throttle. Failure to hook-up the throttle cable in this way will burn the three-four clutch pack up fast.

#4. The throttle valve cable controls transmission pressure. Adjusting this cable is the most important step when installing a 700R4, 4L60 or 200-4R transmission.

#5. The final step is to adjust the throttle valve cable. The cable must be adjusted so it is pulled fully out at wide-open throttle. To make sure disconnect the cable, hold the throttle wide open with your left hand, pull the cable fully out with your right hand and see if the cable end lines up with the button on the throttle lever. The cable should also be pulled out 3/8 to 1/2 of an inch at idle.

[Keepitcoastal]

It's not getting driven at all. I'm just going to pull this transmission because from my understanding regardless of how off this tv cable is the fact that is slips everytime it gets any real power is a clear indication I needs a rebuild.

What I'm trying to understand is why I spend money on a a ****ing kit to correct the geometry but its way off. Looking at this bracket and those pictures. To get it where I need it Im better off just making my own bracket

[Keepitcoastal]

Can you explain this a little more?

I'm not quite understanding you

33% of the throttle lever total travel must be to the rear of the throttle shaft centerline. And at wide-open throttle, 67% to the front of the throttle shaft centerline

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by Keepitcoastal

Wtf!!

I specifically ordered tci relocation bracket for edlebrock carb and 200-4r transmission from TCI directly!

In looking at my receipt now and it says I ordered the parts I needed.

Your TV cable bracket is for a Edelbrock Quadra-Jet or Stock Quadra-Jet.
You have Edelbrock AFB.....You have the wrong mounting bracket!

If you want something that works right....Look at this.... http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/cata...php?ITEMID=213

[Keepitcoastal]

This is the exact part number and page I ordered from. Even has that part number on my order confirmation.
http://www.tciauto.com/tc/tv-cable-c...arburetorhtml/
Nowhere on that page does it say its for a quadrajet! It just says edelbrock carburetor.

I don't want to be the one to point fingers because obviously Im capable of mistakes myself but look at that page and tell me if you think this is my fault or not? I don't see why I'm gonna have to bite the 100 dollar bullet on this because they don't detail there discriptions well enough.
Or furthermore how about the chance of permenant damage to a transmission all because they didn't detail there discriptions to say which series of edelbrock carb it's for. Also the picture for what I ordered is diffrent than what I received. I will be calling tci when they open tomorrow

[Keepitcoastal]

http://www.tciauto.com/tc/tv-cable-c...arburetorhtml/

[Keepitcoastal]

Here's my truck btw

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by Keepitcoastal

This is the exact part number and page I ordered from. Even has that part number on my order confirmation.
http://www.tciauto.com/tc/tv-cable-c...arburetorhtml/
Nowhere on that page does it say its for a quadrajet! It just says edelbrock carburetor.

I don't want to be the one to point fingers because obviously Im capable of mistakes myself but look at that page and tell me if you think this is my fault or not? I don't see why I'm gonna have to bite the 100 dollar bullet on this because they don't detail there discriptions well enough.
Or furthermore how about the chance of permenant damage to a transmission all because they didn't detail there discriptions to say which series of edelbrock carb it's for. Also the picture for what I ordered is diffrent than what I received. I will be calling tci when they open tomorrow

I can tell it's for a Quadra-Jet because it uses the "Inside" small Spreadbore bolt pattern to mount the bracket & the fact it's way out of alignment. I'm just making observations based off years of experience. TCI makes some very high end products, They also sell overpriced cheap out-sourced junk....like their TV kits.

[VetteVet]

Have a look at this.
............
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/700r4.htm

[cadillac_al]

Sorry I forgot about this thread. After I got done plowing I have been Chrismtas shopping all friggin week. I'm not so sure your trans is bad. I think if that cable is misadjusted bad enough it won't work right. I thought for sure someone would have posted a pic for you by now. I can't make any guarantees this weekend but I will try to snap a pic of mine as soon as I can.

[61K10]

your bracket doesn't look like the one in tci's pic. did you move your carb mounting studs inboard? should be in the outboard holes.

[Keepitcoastal]

Originally Posted by cadillac_al

Sorry I forgot about this thread. After I got done plowing I have been Chrismtas shopping all friggin week. I'm not so sure your trans is bad. I think if that cable is misadjusted bad enough it won't work right. I thought for sure someone would have posted a pic for you by now. I can't make any guarantees this weekend but I will try to snap a pic of mine as soon as I can.

Hey no rush I'm going through the same thing but if you get a chance I would highly appreciate it.

Happy holidays!

-Drew

Originally Posted by 61K10

your bracket doesn't look like the one in tci's pic. did you move your carb mounting studs inboard? should be in the outboard holes.

Yes I did move them inboard because I couldn't mount it any other way.

Iv honestly been so busy myself I haven't even called tci yet because I just planned to tear the tranny out and put the th350 back in

[kaycee]

I went through this last spring ,same exact thing u are going through,sent all the TCI ,EDELBROCK brackets back to them.Man I was getting pissed over this double checked all the part #'s and talked to all there tech guys and still could not get 1 to work right.I finnaly caved in and bought the bracket cable assymbly from bowtie overdrive no more freeking guessing if it is right or not.I hated to spend the $$$ on it but man it is well worth it.The problem is the phelonic spacer allso after getting my carb all dialed in I was not about to take it off.

[Angryman117]

Check out http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com under the TV sections.