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Old 07-30-2018, 02:20 PM   #26
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

A lot of times its just the simple things. The fuel sender has an arm attached to the float which makes contact with the resistance board as full levels move up and down. Throughout the full motion you get anywhere from 0-96 ohms on average. Most of the time if you have more than 50K miles on a stock sending unit, that resistance board will be worn enough that the gauge is off noticeably. Most worn units I’ve seen is from half tank and less-most people dont keep their tanks topped off while never dipping below a half tank for example. The high mileage resistance boards are always worn out at half tank and less which is why the gauge reads fine on full but near a half tank the gauge tends to wander all over the place. Quality of the sending units are worse with offshore replacements than GM or NOS ones as well.
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Old 08-01-2018, 01:06 PM   #28
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Old 08-03-2018, 10:46 AM   #29
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HA! So, I started the truck this morning and the gas gauge read right on full.... then, after driving about 2-3 miles, she topped out about 1/4" past Full - I swear, these square bodies and their electrical issues. I miss my 67 c10 so bad right now! LOL
3:00 on the gauge is usually your ground from the sender ring to the frame... It can be a damaged wire or dodgy connection between the sender and the gauge but usually it's the short little ground wire.

Try grounding the fuel tank to the frame with some jumper cables. If that fixes it the ground wire is your 3:00 needle problem...
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3:00 on the gauge is usually your ground from the sender ring to the frame... It can be a damaged wire or dodgy connection between the sender and the gauge but usually it's the short little ground wire.

Try grounding the fuel tank to the frame with some jumper cables. If that fixes it the ground wire is your 3:00 needle problem...
That is what it was... HATZIE - you are amazing! Thank you!
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Lots of great info here. Thanks
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:44 PM   #32
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

91 tbi truck, took out fuel pumps, and hard tubed it for a diesel swap. I'm getting power to the switching valve, but I think I've lost the ground due to unplugging the fuel pumps, am I correct? whats the simplest way to convert the tbi setup for a diesel setup? do I just need to ground the two wires that were originally power for the fuel pump? or do I need to hook the two together? factory wiring diagrams leave out alot!
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:02 AM   #33
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91 tbi truck, took out fuel pumps, and hard tubed it for a diesel swap. I'm getting power to the switching valve, but I think I've lost the ground due to unplugging the fuel pumps, am I correct? whats the simplest way to convert the tbi setup for a diesel setup? do I just need to ground the two wires that were originally power for the fuel pump? or do I need to hook the two together? factory wiring diagrams leave out alot!
NO!! You haven't lost the ground... The valve motor wires from the dash switch change polarity depending on the switch position. The dash switch is a polarity reversing switch commonly used to control the direction of DC motors. Go back and read the 81-91 section in post #2 of this thread. Pay close attention to the power routing diagrams I drew up.

The only wiring modifications you need to make are at the two position Weatherpak plugs attached to the pigtails dangling from each sender. DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE TWO POSITION PLUGS ON THE ENDS OF THE NL2 VEHICLE HARNESS.

Remove the fuel pump power wire from the Weatherpak plugs in each sender pigtail and replace it with a green Weatherpak cavity plug. Fold over the fuel pump wire and tuck it into the split poly loom around the sender pigtail.
You only need to mod the sender pigtail. AGAIN!!! DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE TWO POSITION PLUGS ON THE ENDS OF THE NL2 VEHICLE HARNESS. If you ground these wires you'll have a fire because either could be hot depending on the dash switch position.
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ok, so it should still be switching without the fuel pumps in the loop? I've got power and ground at the switch, but the valve is not switching, even with a new switching valve. I'll have to investigate more. Thanks.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:55 AM   #35
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

Great collection of info here! Thank you. I'm replacing everything in my '77 dually and only found the dash switch as D7089C, I'm assuming the part number in Post #2 was just a typo.

It doesn't say "DEPRESS FULLY" nor did my original switch. It doesn't behave like a momentary switch, should it? It clicks firmly into either position and there is no center position.
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Old 09-23-2018, 12:03 PM   #36
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Re: 1973-1991 Dual fuel tank systems theory of operation

If you are going with EFI, you have the right switch. You need a constant switch (not momentary) because the switch also runs the fuel pump relay. On my conversion kits I ise a LH and RH relay for the fuel pumps and they also control the LH/RH shuttle valving inside the frame mounted selector valve.
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Old 09-23-2018, 01:17 PM   #37
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Thanks for the clarification. Looking forward to installing your harness when it arrives!
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Old 09-23-2018, 02:09 PM   #38
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Great collection of info here! Thank you. I'm replacing everything in my '77 dually and only found the dash switch as D7089C, I'm assuming the part number in Post #2 was just a typo.

It doesn't say "DEPRESS FULLY" nor did my original switch. It doesn't behave like a momentary switch, should it? It clicks firmly into either position and there is no center position.
The OEM 1977 system is the solenoid valve setup outlined in post #1.

Post #2 is for the 81-91 systems. That part number is not a typo for the 81-91 systems. I use that switch for all of the motorized valve systems regardless.
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