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Old 07-11-2019, 09:18 AM   #76
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Re: New LS Standalone Harness

at this point, with the Holley Terminator X system out, there is literally no need to go anywhere else. period
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Old 07-11-2019, 06:31 PM   #77
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the holley kit is neat, but has nothing to do with this thread. even with the holley kit you'll still need a wiring harness.
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Old 07-11-2019, 06:35 PM   #78
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the holley kit is neat, but has nothing to do with this thread. even with the holley kit you'll still need a wiring harness.
No the Holley Terminator x does come with a harness made in USA. As well as an ECM, wideband, handheld datalogger, tuning software... The list goes on, it's the most unbeatable deal on the market. The possibilities are endless.
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Old 07-11-2019, 06:47 PM   #79
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No the Holley Terminator x does come with a harness made in USA. As well as an ECM, wideband, handheld datalogger, tuning software... The list goes on, it's the most unbeatable deal on the market. The possibilities are endless.
and it's $1,500 so we're still not comparing apples to apples
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Old 07-11-2019, 06:52 PM   #80
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and it's $1,500 so we're still not comparing apples to apples
It starts as low as 999, if you don't do the Terminator x, you have to buy a harness you have to buy an ECM, you have to get the ECM unlocked you have to pay for some kind of tuning, the list goes on, all of that adds up to just over a grand or so. Your still miles ahead going the Holley route. If your going to argue with something that's literally the greatest deal in LS swap history then that's on you.
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:09 PM   #81
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lol, I've done enough LS swaps to know what it cost, I would even go as far as saying more than most here.

And I'll give you this, it is a great product for people that have never done an LS swap before and have no programming experience.

But it's most definitely NOT the greatest deal in LS swap history.
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:14 PM   #82
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lol, I've done enough LS swaps to know what it cost, I would even go as far as saying more than most here.

And I'll give you this, it is a great product for people that have never done an LS swap before and have no programming experience.

But it's most definitely NOT the greatest deal in LS swap history.
If all you are doing is swapping in an LS to drive then probably not, but if power is your goal this is still the best deal.
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:29 PM   #83
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i still disagree. if power is truly your goal, then Holley does have a very good product, the Dominator series.

the Terminator kit is for the first-time users who have no ECM experience, no wiring experience, and are just plain uncomfortable with EFI systems. Brilliant move by Holley for bringing it to market because there is a large sector of the market that are just plain scared of computerized EFI systems just because the are uneducated on how they work.

But to claim it's the "end all, be all" of LS-swap wiring/control systems is just silly.
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:41 PM   #84
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The tuning software for the Terminator is the same as the dominator, I know guys dipping I to the 8s running the Terminator. What the dominator doesn't have is an ECM and harness. Holley even said they plan to eliminate the LS swap competition with this setup
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:44 PM   #85
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I guess ill never know how the terminator works...way to pricey for me,,,i can do it for much less than the cost of the terminator system and that includes a dyno tune, ecm unlock ,and a storebought PSI harness...so I don't see how they think they'll corner the LS swap market...
I started losing faith in holley when everything ive bought from them lately has (made in china) on it...price we pay for competitive pricing I guess
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:17 PM   #86
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I guess ill never know how the terminator works...way to pricey for me,,,i can do it for much less than the cost of the terminator system and that includes a dyno tune, ecm unlock ,and a storebought PSI harness...so I don't see how they think they'll corner the LS swap market...
I started losing faith in holley when everything ive bought from them lately has (made in china) on it...price we pay for competitive pricing I guess
exactly. guys that have never done one of these swaps before see a "all in one box" solution and think it's the bee's knees. They "buy in" to the system and then proceed to tell everyone how it's the greatest thing ever. Maybe so, for them.

like the old saying goes: "there's an ass for every seat."
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I guess ill never know how the terminator works...way to pricey for me,,,i can do it for much less than the cost of the terminator system and that includes a dyno tune, ecm unlock ,and a storebought PSI harness...so I don't see how they think they'll corner the LS swap market...
I started losing faith in holley when everything ive bought from them lately has (made in china) on it...price we pay for competitive pricing I guess
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exactly. guys that have never done one of these swaps before see a "all in one box" solution and think it's the bee's knees. They "buy in" to the system and then proceed to tell everyone how it's the greatest thing ever. Maybe so, for them.

like the old saying goes: "there's an ass for every seat."
Like I said, if you are just going to swap an LS and drive it then the old way is perfect, but if performance or racing is the goal than the Terminator is the way to go. I'm not here to convince you, if you don't see it that's your loss. Ask any real tuner if it's worth it... Yes it's great for first timers but there also plenty of racers using it because of the software and ECM capabilities.
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:23 PM   #88
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Re: New LS Standalone Harness

Cheapest is reworking a factory harness by yourself from u-wrench-it and all used parts along with a mail order tune or a buddy who has credits that tunes for cheap. I have built factory, Microsquirt, EFI source Megasquirt MS3 plug and play LS1 with boosted and traction control as well as the holley systems and others. They all have their merit. to me it all depends on how big your wallet is and if you can or are willing to do/learn it yourself.

Does the Terminator have traction control capability built in or do you have to buy more parts/piece/interface modules?
Megasquirt has it built in already. Last I checked, there are plenty of Megasuirt extremely fast cars running at Bonneville and Drag week competition that are beating the big boys.

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Old 07-11-2019, 10:27 PM   #89
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("Like I said, if you are just going to swap an LS and drive it then the old way is perfect")
this is me...for now

for performance, my next build is getting a LS3/TR6060...im not drag racing anymore, so a good dyno tune will be way more than ill ever need
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If you aren't here to convince anyone, then why are you still arguing that it's designed for something that it's not?

Holley itself admits on their webpage that the Terminator is designed specifically for stock to mild LS engines. Stock to mild is not performance power, again that's the Dominator's spot in the market. The Terminator is for beginners.

p.s. one of my close friends is a Holley dealer. He is responsible for some of the fastests cars you've seen street racing on Monday night TV. So I've got a bit of insight that others might not.
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Holley itself admits on their webpage that the Terminator is designed specifically for stock to mild LS engines. Stock to mild is not performance power, again that's the Dominator's spot in the market. The Terminator is for beginners.
The platform uses the dominator base software, there are guys in the low 8s running it. Regardless of what their website says it's already been proven to be good
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The platform uses the dominator base software, there are guys in the low 8s running it. Regardless of what their website says it's already been proven to be good
Software doesn't make horsepower bud. I know guys running low 8's with junkyard LS's, reworked factory harnesses and junkyard factory ECMs. What is your point here?

Anyway, I'm done here. This is starting to sound like the weekly cruise-in where the guy crawls out of his wife's mini van and proceeds to walk around & pick apart all the hot rods there.
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Software doesn't make horsepower bud. I know guys running low 8's with junkyard LS's, reworked factory harnesses and junkyard factory ECMs. What is your point here?

Anyway, I'm done here. This is starting to sound like the weekly cruise-in where the guy crawls out of his wife's mini van and proceeds to walk around & pick apart all the hot rods there.
Yup ok you are the expert like I said already I'm not here to convince you, if you don't see the potential that's on you. I'm unsubscribing from this I've had enough of your shenanigans
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Sloppy mechanics on the tube is running a terminator X on his 8 for 8 project. Junk yard 4.8 with a turbo. Last video I watched he made 735 to the wheel. I think this platform also controls trans. Also lots of tuning ability without having to buy EFI Live or HP Tuners. I’m not siding with either one of you as I agree with both of you. Peace out.
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Yup ok you are the expert
Thank you for finally acknowledging this. You are free to go.
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