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Old 04-10-2017, 11:08 PM   #301
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Justin,

I will give you what I like about them personally. A properly designed manual system will stop just as good as a vacuum or hydraulic assisted system, in some cases it just requires a little more leg effort. If you get the proper bore size on the master cylinder, have a good caliper/rotor and have the proper pedal ratio, manual is great. It is nothing like the crappy manual drum systems we all remember from back in our younger days.

I usually build and run engines in my street cars that are not friendly with vacuum assisted brakes. Camshafts with large .050 duration numbers and tight LSA's generally don't make enough vacuum for a vacuum assisted system to work very well. You end up with a very hard pedal and poor performance.

Lastly, while hydraboost systems work great in any application, I don't care for how they look and how much real estate they take up.
Thank you for the explanation. I think I will go with manual as well. Sounds like 7/8" bore is the ticket.
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Old 04-10-2017, 11:28 PM   #302
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Your progress pics and clean work motivate me. Wow!
Keep the pics coming.
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:09 AM   #303
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WOW!!! You are going to be driving that truck in no time! Everything you have done looks fantastic!!!
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Old 04-11-2017, 04:18 AM   #304
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Thank you for the explanation. I think I will go with manual as well. Sounds like 7/8" bore is the ticket.
Nice thing is they sell it as a kit also

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-261-13271-bk
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Old 04-11-2017, 07:56 AM   #305
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If you plan to run manual brakes like I am then you will want a 7/8' bore. Some guys go with a 15/16" with manual but I think the 7/8" gives the best feel. The 15/16" feels soft to me.

I got everything from Summit

7/8" Master cylinder- https://www.summitracing.com/parts/w...9-bk/overview/

Proportional valve- https://www.summitracing.com/parts/w...1179/overview/

If you are going power brakes (vacuum) I would use a 1" bore and if you go with hydroboost then that 1 1/8" would be a good choice. These are all my opinion from my personal experience and you may get differing opinions from other people.
Might I suggest you talk with the folks at Wilwood for the proper sizing? I know that is what the person that helped me size and order my parts did. I did end up with a .875 diameter bore as well though! I am going with D52 calipers up front with 12' rotors and D154s out back with 12' rotors for reference.
I also must say that I am really enjoying watching you two (Mike and Larry) with your builds. I am in the process of doing a little bit of what both of you are doing. Kind of a blend of some of your best. I just hope I can execute the plan as well as you two have! Although I am not lowering my truck quite as much as you are Mike.

Thanks for all of your posts; although my wife probably would not second that sentiment!
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Old 04-11-2017, 08:18 AM   #306
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Might I suggest you talk with the folks at Wilwood for the proper sizing? I know that is what the person that helped me size and order my parts did.
This is excellent advice! I would feel horrible if anyone followed what I did and ended up not happy with the results, especially with the components being as expensive as they are.
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:13 AM   #307
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This is excellent advice! I would feel horrible if anyone followed what I did and ended up not happy with the results, especially with the components being as expensive as they are.
Note though, from what they set up for me YOU WERE SPOT ON! So I am guessing you REALLY DO know your stuff! I really did not mean to imply you didn't. I hope you didn't take it that way.
Also, based on your whole thread anyone can tell you know waht you talk about.
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I hope you didn't take it that way.
Absolutely not sir! I agree 100%
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Absolutely not sir! I agree 100%
Sometimes people take my "directness" in a way that I did not intend! Good to know you didn't.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:35 PM   #310
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Duane,

I appreciate your advice sir. I have not done any body work on the passenger side yet. I have been waiting on the corner firewall piece from PB which should be on the porch when I get home. My Vintage Air came yesterday as well so I should be able to make some good progress this weekend.

So did you just weld the evaporator bracket to the inside of the firewall instead of using the bolts?
I actually put the bolts through the holes (had it installed before) and just tack welded them on the inside, leaving enough room on the engine side to cut the head off the bolt. I then ground off the remaining bolt so it was flush with the firewall and welded up the gaps around it. I hope that makes sense. The bracket had one threaded hole that I drilled out, the other already used a nut on the cab side, so I just used a nut on both bolts from the inside. It was a PITA to get them in.
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Old 04-11-2017, 05:43 PM   #311
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Smittee is actually using the exact same front and eear brakes that I have. I agree wilwood should be the one I ask and will contact them but it seems the answer I will get is the same as you got. And yes Mike is smarter than the average bear.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:34 PM   #312
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Your progress pics and clean work motivate me. Wow!
Keep the pics coming.
Thank you for the encouragement man! Your build is beautiful by the way!

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WOW!!! You are going to be driving that truck in no time! Everything you have done looks fantastic!!!
I have a goal of driving it by Memorial Day. Driving it may be just that, driving...Actually road worthy for a long trip is another thing all together
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Old 04-14-2017, 08:50 PM   #313
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When I just looked at this picture, I thought I screwed up the fins on the front of the radiator. I just went outside and looked at it and the fins aren't damaged or folded over. I was very careful when I put it in, I have no idea why it looks damaged in this picture. Weird
I got a brand new radiator today, same deal as yours. Only when viewed from the side do those oddball fins show up. Im guessing that they must be bent just enough to catch the light a little different.
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It's enough to bug the **** out of me. Thank god the condensor is going to hide it or I might need therapy
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Haha, Im glad that Im not the only one highly annoyed over things like this. I figured the same as you, at least it will be covered.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:51 AM   #316
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Fix them for 15.00

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Old 04-17-2017, 09:28 AM   #317
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Between my son's track meets and Easter Sunday I didn't get much shop time this weekend. I was able to slip out there a little Friday night and a little Saturday night and finished laying down the FatMat. I ordered 100 sq ft off of Amazon for $149.00. It came with two 50 sq ft rolls and I didn't quite use a whole roll. I do plan on removing the door panels and puting some behind there as well so I might get into the second roll. I hardly had any waste at all. One thing I will say is be sure where you want it because once it's down there isn't much chance in getting it back off

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Looks good Mike and should help reduce noise and heat.
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Old 04-18-2017, 03:54 PM   #319
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I am planning to buy my carpet from "Stock Interiors" . I am unsure of what color will match my interior so they are sending me some samples to compare against my seat and door panels before I order.

Here is a picture of my seat that I want to match and my SPID. The SPID shows the truck came with 629 Olive Custom cloth. Stock Interiors offers two dark green colors in the 80/20 loop, 509 Dark Olive green and 588 Dark Green. I will post pictures of the samples when they arrive. The carpet I want to order is for the high hump and no gas tank so the carpet extends all the way to the back of the cab. I also plan to get the mass backing for additional sound and heat control.

My truck just has a black rubber floor mat in it right now. I am back and forth on keeping the rubber mat or going with carpet. I like the minimalist look of the interior with the mat but I really hate how loud and hot the truck is to drive. Throw some opinions at me guys!



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Old 04-18-2017, 04:25 PM   #320
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Are you trying to make the interior look more factory, or are you doing custom gauges and different things like that?
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Old 04-18-2017, 04:37 PM   #321
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nah, I'm not trying to make anything look factory correct but I also don't plan to change anything but the gauges. The gauges will be Dakota Digital VHX but everything else will remain as you see it in the picture. My only reason for considering the carpet is for comfort only.
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I am planning to buy my carpet from "Stock Interiors" . I am unsure of what color will match my interior so they are sending me some samples to compare against my seat and door panels before I order.

Here is a picture of my seat that I want to match and my SPID. The SPID shows the truck came with 629 Olive Custom cloth. Stock Interiors offers two dark green colors in the 80/20 loop, 509 Dark Olive green and 588 Dark Green. I will post pictures of the samples when they arrive. The carpet I want to order is for the high hump and no gas tank so the carpet extends all the way to the back of the cab. I also plan to get the mass backing for additional sound and heat control.

My truck just has a black rubber floor mat in it right now. I am back and forth on keeping the rubber mat or going with carpet. I like the minimalist look of the interior with the mat but I really hate how loud and hot the truck is to drive. Throw some opinions at me guys!
I'm w/you on the minimalist 'feel/look' on the inside. I also want that look for my 64 but will run the 80/20 carpet in black. I feel it best matches my black rubber mat (color wise for sure) but shouldn't stand out as an upgrade like a colored carpet floor might. I am tying in more black to my interior vs what you have so far (Fawn-ish main interior color w/black accents).

The sound deadening, sound isolation (foam layer), & MLV barrier definitely makes a difference. My dually has 1 3/4 long tube headers, 3" SS exhaust tubing thru 3" Dynomax mufflers (under the back seat area of the cab), & then transitions to 2.5" SS tailpipes. With the windows up, it's quiet inside (quieter vs the stock manifolds/2.5" pipe & glasspacks that were under the bed).
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Scoti,

You may be in to something with the black carpet vs the dark green.
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I'm thinking about replacing my rubber floor mat with black carpet also, the rest of the interior is blue. The rubber is to difficult to keep clean looking and I hate when little rocks get under your foot.
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I personally think black will fit the look of the truck the best
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