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guitarornothin · 05-31-2004, 02:48 PM

Does everone else think that These kits have been 399.95 FOR a WHILE.

I would get one if they bumped the price down. Wouldnt you.

(Why did i post this any way.....i guess im a post whore)

,Ryan

dubie · 05-31-2004, 04:02 PM

Nah, I prefer the old 2 piece windows. Makes the truck look cooler

Orange70chevy · 05-31-2004, 04:26 PM

I agree with dubie the 2 piece looks better. That little triangle piece on a one piece looks cheese. I guess if you welded it in and painted it it would look better.

67cst · 05-31-2004, 05:47 PM

one of the classic touches to these trucks is the fly window!

*Randy70C-10* · 05-31-2004, 06:39 PM

I prefer the low-budget air conditioning as well.

*Gee_Emm* · 05-31-2004, 06:40 PM

It all depends on the look you are going for, but yah they do seem expensive.

mooneyes · 05-31-2004, 06:56 PM

...how do you keep your windshield defogged without wing windows?....lol

crazy longhorn · 05-31-2004, 07:45 PM

I will be going 1 pc, but on that old "chop top" chev, it will be all laid out(no choice). I have seen too many complaints on 1 pc door glass, & most are about fit & useage....totally understood! Most of the kits dont slide the glass up/ down on the same angle(front to rear on the tracking). i sure dont know it all, but in the time I spent doing auto glass, it sure seems to me that the front & rear angles on the track need to be the same(no curves, or changes in angles) as the glass moves up/ down.....less problems! No doubt, we run into fit issues in the 67-72 doors, but that is no reason for compromise.........crazyL

68LSS1 · 05-31-2004, 09:54 PM

I'm waiting for the price to come down on them too. But one piece power for me.

guitarornothin · 05-31-2004, 10:05 PM

i dont want power. if it Even went down 50bucks ID be happy and get em'

,Ryan

jcueckert13 · 05-31-2004, 10:49 PM

i agree with dubie. the wing windows look good and they serve a purpose

68LSS1 · 05-31-2004, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcueckert13

i agree with dubie. the wing windows look good and they serve a purpose

Ya, to leak water, cause wind noise (especially at 130mph) and give easy access to theives.

(Not to be taken seriously)

Warbones · 05-31-2004, 11:36 PM

I like the wing windows too. I'll never see 130 mph in my truck.

Alvin · 06-01-2004, 04:05 AM

On the right day though, it is tough to beat wing windows with a pair of shorts!!

I agree, price has stayed too high, too long...

guitarornothin · 06-01-2004, 08:05 AM

it sure HAS!!!!! alvin.......

,Ryan

**guyryan100** · 06-01-2004, 09:59 AM

130 MPH?? These trucks can be driven!?!?! Mine's just yard-art.

XXL · 06-01-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by guyryan100

130 MPH?? These trucks can be driven!?!?! Mine's just yard-art.

All of these trucks can go around 120... from the right altitude.

BTW... for anyone wanting to do 1-piece windows on the cheap, I've got a pair of Brothers' glass, brand new, ready to install. You'll need to pick up some wipers (I am told Brothers' sells them but I've not contacted them to verify), and make some brackets. At $100 + shipping, you'll save a small fortune over their $399 price. PM or email me if interested.

mocwon · 06-01-2004, 05:58 PM

I prefer the clean look of the one piece glass so when they ran them on sale many months ago for $279 I bought a set. You will never be able to make the brackets that are necessary for the one-piece glass kit so you're best bet is to wait till they go on sale again or save up your pennies. You can also forget installing them without the instructions.

XXL · 06-01-2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mocwon

You will never be able to make the brackets that are necessary for the one-piece glass kit...

The two brackets are flat pieces of steel with some holes drilled in them. What's so tough about that?

Quagmire · 06-01-2004, 10:06 PM

i like both for different reasons

i have heard horror stories about the one-piece setup though. between that and the cost, i think i will work towards other things first

mocwon · 06-02-2004, 03:06 PM

No, there's a lot more to it than that. You have to modify existing channels, drill them in the correct places, make the triangular filler pieces for the doors, have the correct brackets that are included with the kit etc. This is an engineered setup, not some fly by night backyard creation. These guys obviously went through a lot of trial and error and design work to come up with a well engineered system that works. If you had all the pieces they engineered for the system they could indeed be copied but without them the glass by itself is useless.

**Classic Heartbeat** · 06-02-2004, 03:58 PM

I thought that I would ring in here.. Brothers single peice side window kits are engineered kits, and work as well as it is possible for single peice side windows can work in these doors. They can be difficult to install, even with the instructions, but most modifications made to vehicles are. The problem arises when the windows come out of their tracks. This allows the windows to wiggle back and fourth, because there isn't a channel to hold them steady any more. Just the wheels in the regulators and the little corner of the window in the lower rear track. This is just not enough to do the job of holding the window tight. Remember what held the window tight befor the conversion was the Vent window, division bar. One of the peices that you loose when you remove the vent window. However some doors fair better than others. This just depends on the amount of whare your door has. (How far the space has spread where the sqeegy and cat whiskers mount to set) The wider the gap the looser the window will be. This isn't an issue with the kit, but is with the doors. I have tried to come up with a way to tighten up the side to side play, but have come to the conclusion that with out the abillity to reinforce the opening, we are just S.O.L. Otherwise I would install them in my Panel, because I think they look great!! WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com

XXL · 06-02-2004, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mocwon

No, there's a lot more to it than that. You have to modify existing channels, drill them in the correct places, make the triangular filler pieces for the doors, have the correct brackets that are included with the kit etc. This is an engineered setup, not some fly by night backyard creation. These guys obviously went through a lot of trial and error and design work to come up with a well engineered system that works. If you had all the pieces they engineered for the system they could indeed be copied but without them the glass by itself is useless.

Your definition of "engineered" (and by extension "fly by night") and mine are substantially different. Sure, they made some brackets, but there's no rocket science here. The 2 channel brackets are flat steel with some holes in it. The corner piece is a bent aluminum triangle with a hole in it. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the actual kit but I OWN one... bought from Brothers'... and spent a lot of time studying it over the last few years while it sat in the box. The only "custom" items that aren't easily duplicated are the wipers and the glass pieces themselves.

Having said all that... my glass is sold as of yesterday.

my new 72 · 06-02-2004, 08:41 PM

Alot of the problems that people are having with the kits is because they do not know what they are doing when they put them in. I have installed two kits and have never had a problem with either of them. Not everyone on here is capable of installing this kit.

mocwon · 06-02-2004, 10:04 PM

Very familiar partner. I too purchased a set from Brothers (as i mentioned in my first post in the thread), installed them in my doors and they operated fine. I have removed them until I finish restoring the truck and paint it at which point I will reinstall them.

05-31-2004, 02:48 PM	#1
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05-31-2004, 04:02 PM	#2
dubie Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Flin Flon, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 8,855	Nah, I prefer the old 2 piece windows. Makes the truck look cooler __________________ My name's Tim and I'm a truckaholic My 56 Chevy shop truck build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=562795

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67cst i love summertime Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kelowna BC Posts: 4,303	one of the classic touches to these trucks is the fly window! __________________ 1967 shortbox stepside Chevy, 365 hp 327, th400. GLOVE BOX LIGHTS FORSALE, click link for info http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=273724

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mooneyes Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slippery Rock PA USA Posts: 1,692	...how do you keep your windshield defogged without wing windows?....lol __________________ Ken Lyons, Slippery rock pa 68 short step 327 t10 4 gear 72 2wd blazer project 70 lwb 305/700r driver 78 caprice project 02 cavalier D.D ( hate it!!)

05-31-2004, 07:45 PM	#8
crazy longhorn Fabricate till you "puke" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ill Posts: 9,403	I will be going 1 pc, but on that old "chop top" chev, it will be all laid out(no choice). I have seen too many complaints on 1 pc door glass, & most are about fit & useage....totally understood! Most of the kits dont slide the glass up/ down on the same angle(front to rear on the tracking). i sure dont know it all, but in the time I spent doing auto glass, it sure seems to me that the front & rear angles on the track need to be the same(no curves, or changes in angles) as the glass moves up/ down.....less problems! No doubt, we run into fit issues in the 67-72 doors, but that is no reason for compromise.........crazyL __________________ 69 longhorn,4" chop,3/5 drop, 1/2 ton suspension/disc brakes,1 1/2" body drop,steel tilt clip, 5.3/Edelbrock rpm intake/600 carb, Hooker streetrod shorties,2 1/2" exhaust/ H pipe/50's Flows , 6 spd Richmond trans,12 bolt/ 3.40 gears....

05-31-2004, 04:26 PM	#3
Orange70chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Penelope, Texas Posts: 393	I agree with dubie the 2 piece looks better. That little triangle piece on a one piece looks cheese. I guess if you welded it in and painted it it would look better.

05-31-2004, 06:39 PM	#5
Randy70C-10 Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. U.S.A. Posts: 15,320	I prefer the low-budget air conditioning as well.

05-31-2004, 06:40 PM	#6
Gee_Emm Account Suspended Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,002	It all depends on the look you are going for, but yah they do seem expensive.

05-31-2004, 09:54 PM	#9
68LSS1 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,191	I'm waiting for the price to come down on them too. But one piece power for me. __________________ '68 Short Step LS1/T56, Hydratech, Fatman Fabrications Stage III, Baer, Hot Rods to Hell, US Body, S&W, etc

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guitarornothin RUNN over AGAIN!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Big Spring, Texas Posts: 505	i dont want power. if it Even went down 50bucks ID be happy and get em' ,Ryan __________________ 67-72 TRUCKS ROCK 70 SWB shaved and a 72 front clip.and a poly tank. Peep mirrors and a BIG BLOCK 468 in the making. XNXNXNXNXNXNXNXNXNXNX ,/. EMAIL ME HERE!, Dont pm me please ,/.

05-31-2004, 10:49 PM	#11
jcueckert13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Edgewood New Mexico Posts: 2,088	i agree with dubie. the wing windows look good and they serve a purpose __________________ 1990 subaru legcy (daily driver) 1987 Toyota 4runner (weekend toy) 1968 C30 flatbed dually 1970 C10 longbed stepside (in pieces) 1976 Dodge Dart 1963 Dodge Dart

05-31-2004, 11:36 PM	#13
Warbones Navel Inspector Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 1,373	I like the wing windows too. I'll never see 130 mph in my truck. __________________ 1948 Chevy Aerosedan GONE! I think. 1984 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Coupe WANTED 1967 IMPALA 1967 CST C10 Long Bed with a 283

06-01-2004, 04:05 AM	#14
Alvin Never Done? Join Date: May 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,435	On the right day though, it is tough to beat wing windows with a pair of shorts!! I agree, price has stayed too high, too long... __________________ Ethel - The Legend Continues... Ethel has been sold.

06-01-2004, 08:05 AM	#15
guitarornothin RUNN over AGAIN!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Big Spring, Texas Posts: 505	it sure HAS!!!!! alvin....... ,Ryan __________________ 67-72 TRUCKS ROCK 70 SWB shaved and a 72 front clip.and a poly tank. Peep mirrors and a BIG BLOCK 468 in the making. XNXNXNXNXNXNXNXNXNXNX ,/. EMAIL ME HERE!, Dont pm me please ,/.

06-01-2004, 09:59 AM	#16
guyryan100 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 466	130 MPH?? These trucks can be driven!?!?! Mine's just yard-art.



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06-01-2004, 05:58 PM	#18
mocwon Keep On Truckin' Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buda, Texas Posts: 1,354	I prefer the clean look of the one piece glass so when they ran them on sale many months ago for $279 I bought a set. You will never be able to make the brackets that are necessary for the one-piece glass kit so you're best bet is to wait till they go on sale again or save up your pennies. You can also forget installing them without the instructions. __________________ Just Passin' Thru Some projects are like herding cats; others are like putting out fires; this one was like herding cats on fire.....

06-01-2004, 10:06 PM	#20
Quagmire A splendid one to behold Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: moore, ok Posts: 251	i like both for different reasons i have heard horror stories about the one-piece setup though. between that and the cost, i think i will work towards other things first __________________ 67 swb 02 wrx

06-02-2004, 03:06 PM	#21
mocwon Keep On Truckin' Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buda, Texas Posts: 1,354	The two brackets are flat pieces of steel with some holes drilled in them No, there's a lot more to it than that. You have to modify existing channels, drill them in the correct places, make the triangular filler pieces for the doors, have the correct brackets that are included with the kit etc. This is an engineered setup, not some fly by night backyard creation. These guys obviously went through a lot of trial and error and design work to come up with a well engineered system that works. If you had all the pieces they engineered for the system they could indeed be copied but without them the glass by itself is useless. __________________ Just Passin' Thru Some projects are like herding cats; others are like putting out fires; this one was like herding cats on fire.....

06-02-2004, 03:58 PM	#22
Classic Heartbeat Project Junkie! Fishing Poor!! Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Olympia,Wa. 98512 Posts: 10,770	I thought that I would ring in here.. Brothers single peice side window kits are engineered kits, and work as well as it is possible for single peice side windows can work in these doors. They can be difficult to install, even with the instructions, but most modifications made to vehicles are. The problem arises when the windows come out of their tracks. This allows the windows to wiggle back and fourth, because there isn't a channel to hold them steady any more. Just the wheels in the regulators and the little corner of the window in the lower rear track. This is just not enough to do the job of holding the window tight. Remember what held the window tight befor the conversion was the Vent window, division bar. One of the peices that you loose when you remove the vent window. However some doors fair better than others. This just depends on the amount of whare your door has. (How far the space has spread where the sqeegy and cat whiskers mount to set) The wider the gap the looser the window will be. This isn't an issue with the kit, but is with the doors. I have tried to come up with a way to tighten up the side to side play, but have come to the conclusion that with out the abillity to reinforce the opening, we are just S.O.L. Otherwise I would install them in my Panel, because I think they look great!! WES www.ClassicHeartbeat.com __________________ On-line catolog Classic Heartbeat Pickup Parts WEHEPP@comcast.net Call us Toll Free (888) 338-2502 Like Us on Facebook No appointment necessary. 72 BB Chevy Custom Deluxe / Custom Camper 67 I-6 (Soon to be 5.7 LS1) Panel 68 BB Chevy Short Bed 72 6.0 LQ9 Short Bed Chevy 4X4 Olympia's fastest growing truck parts supplier. Olympia's home for Wayward Chevys

06-02-2004, 08:41 PM	#24
my new 72 faster, faster, faster Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston ,Texas ,USA Posts: 1,354	Alot of the problems that people are having with the kits is because they do not know what they are doing when they put them in. I have installed two kits and have never had a problem with either of them. Not everyone on here is capable of installing this kit. __________________ I'm going to Law School, wanna debate? It's good practice.

06-02-2004, 10:04 PM	#25
mocwon Keep On Truckin' Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Buda, Texas Posts: 1,354	I'm not sure how familiar you are with the actual kit but I OWN one Very familiar partner. I too purchased a set from Brothers (as i mentioned in my first post in the thread), installed them in my doors and they operated fine. I have removed them until I finish restoring the truck and paint it at which point I will reinstall them. __________________ Just Passin' Thru Some projects are like herding cats; others are like putting out fires; this one was like herding cats on fire.....

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