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Old 08-29-2016, 02:20 PM   #451
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Re: 66 4x4 my sons new project

Yeah, sorry man. New to site and realized after I posted that you were past that point.
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:58 PM   #452
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The 95 and 97 F350s that i had put the sway bar behind the front axle. Drop is on the wrong side for your truck but another angle to look at. Who knows, might be able to get one and flip it on top of the axle instead of under?

Which BH did you get? AA or stock? I was tempted to get a CF clutch but am going to try and see if the Valeo that was behind the 396 will work. The 454 kinda broke the bank.
A while back I picked up a 92-95 nv4500 bellhousing with the passenger side slave cylinder. As long as i keep the truck at the current ride height and get the compression travel or bump stops right, I shouldn't really have a problem with the front driveshaft impacting the bellhousing in the spot where the slave mounts. This would save me from having to buy the AA bellhousing and the hydraulic clutch bracket (i could make this myself, in fact i may have already made one...) to the tune of $400. But I may need to buy a new slave cylinder and throwout bearing (maybe $200?). I'm 99% sure I can use the same clutch, but I think I'll find that I have some worn or broken pieces in the clutch disk when i pull it out (another story). I have the used items but I'd hate to have to pull the trans back out to replace a throw out bearing after the fact. In general i like using factory designed parts, so i'm going to try and make the factory bellhousing work.

I'm sure the clutch from your 396 will work on your 454. Do the 454's use a neutral balanced flywheel like the 396 or does it have to be balance with the rotating assembly? I never really understood the logic behind that design...
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:16 PM   #453
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Re: 66 4x4 my sons new project

Im gonna try the clutch that I ran with the 396 even though the 454 is ext balanced. I don't think it will be a problem as there are no index marks for the clutch to FW. I figure that hundreds of clutches are replaced at least weekly and Ive never heard of anyone tearing an engine apart to balance it when doing a clutch. I hear you on the AA and the 400 bucks. Thats the way I went and now I don't even have the money to paint the engine compartment. Just gonna have to wait to get a little more OT under my belt.
Get crackin on those books! Ive got an exam coming up for work pretty soon too. I gotta hit those books myself!
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Old 09-02-2016, 04:22 AM   #454
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Re: 66 4x4 my sons new project

Oh man! How did THAT get in there???



Has Big Ugly been sneaking money out of my wallet again?
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Old 09-02-2016, 08:50 AM   #455
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Looks like BU got himself one of them there kingpin axles! Score!
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63" & B52 Spring Install http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ng+swap+thread


NV4500 Reverse Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=reverse+build

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Old 09-02-2016, 07:26 PM   #456
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:25 AM   #457
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when you used the shackle hangers from a 73 and up, did it move the springs out wider, and did you have to cut and relocate the spring pads on the axle. i am using axles out of a 89 blazer and the springs pads are 42.5 center to center. The 64 pad width is 40.5. I was wondering if by useing the newer hangers will that enable me to use the 42.5 location on my 89 axles. i am building a 1964 chevy short bed 4x4. I will start a thread soon with pics of my build.
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Old 09-27-2016, 09:57 AM   #458
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Your assumptions are correct. The 73+ trucks have the same width frame but a wider spring separation in the rear. Fronts are all the same. So you can use later, wider hangers with later axles without having to move the spring pads. That is what I did: suspension and axles from a 73.

Looking forward to seeing some pictures of your pickup.
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Old 09-27-2016, 12:07 PM   #459
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Re: 66 4x4 my sons new project

Thanks Jason, my name is John. Your build and Chris's build have been very helpful. I will start my thread soon, hopefully I can help out the next guy. If you get a chance could you give me a measurement center to center on your front bumper bolts, I have a slight frame horn bend I need to line up. Thanks again
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Old 09-27-2016, 12:53 PM   #460
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Sure, John. I can check it out when i get home tonight if no one else responds first.

Chris is always one step ahead of me, with the overdrive trans and the long front springs... There are lots of great people here with 60-66 4x4s.
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Old 09-30-2016, 11:18 PM   #461
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Re: 66 4x4 my sons new project

John, I measured 26.25" on center as the separation between front bumper bolts. Sorry it took a couple of days.
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Old 09-30-2016, 11:59 PM   #462
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Sure, John. I can check it out when i get home tonight if no one else responds first.

Chris is always one step ahead of me, with the overdrive trans and the long front springs... There are lots of great people here with 60-66 4x4s.
Ah, I get most of my best ideas from you Jason.

John, if you need any info, feel free to PM me or post to one of my threads. Always happy to help a fellow owner.
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D44 / 14bff - disc axles
Milemarker 9K and 10.5K hydraulic winches

63" & B52 Spring Install http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ng+swap+thread


NV4500 Reverse Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=reverse+build

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Old 12-17-2016, 11:40 AM   #463
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Hey Jason, whenever you get a chance could you give me a measurement from the ground to the bottom of your door and from the ground to the bottom of your frame under the door area. Thanks for the help. John
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Old 08-27-2017, 07:49 PM   #464
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Jason, Jason where are you...You've been kinda quiet on here....any updates....How's big ugly and seahorse...
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Old 09-20-2017, 01:04 AM   #465
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Hey guys! I've been around. I've somehow managed to collect a couple more toys, and when you're up to 10 motorized vehicles you have to spread the love around. Big Ugly is working and driving so hasn't seen much change lately.

I picked up another 72 Blazer and it is under the knife right now. Once the Blazer is back on the road in about a month I might look to finally get the NV4500 swapped in. But I also want to soften up the suspension. I'm thinking about 52" springs up front and a shackle flip in the rear. I'm concerned that I'll lose some carrying capacity with the flip though.
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Old 09-20-2017, 01:27 AM   #466
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Haha, ya snuck in before the year deadline Jason! We were gonna send a search party out for you! Glad to see you back and still stayin' busy.

As far as the 52s go, I like mine. I may be looking into different shocks and an alignment soon since the front axle rebuild.

On the rear flip, Ive never heard that you lose carrying cap. Ive seen a few comments from guys that tow 10k + on their flips.

Anyway, get some pics of the blazer up. Would love to see some more of your work.

Waiting for the next installment like the next season of that GOT show!
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Vortec 7.4 - L29 Blackbear tune, Five 0 Motorsports injectors, Chris Straub Cam, NV4500, divorced 205
52" front and 63" rear spring swap
D44 / 14bff - disc axles
Milemarker 9K and 10.5K hydraulic winches

63" & B52 Spring Install http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...ng+swap+thread


NV4500 Reverse Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=reverse+build

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Old 09-20-2017, 01:41 AM   #467
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Chris,
Link to the Blazer page is now in my signature. I don't have a recent photo up though.

Well I do hope the rear flip retains good load capacity. I flipped the 56" springs on the Seahorse and its nice and soft with lots of travel, but I don' think it would handle a heavy load as well as the 4" lift springs on the pickup now.

The other reason I haven't gone with 52s up front is that it is notoriously difficult to put a sway bar up front with crossover and high-steer setup on the front axle. However I pulled one form the junkyard last weekend that I think might work.
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