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07-24-2017, 08:23 PM | #1 |
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I was thinking...Do you remember ?
When I rebuilt my first car , [a 64 chevy impala] you could buy a rebuild kit for everything on the car. Now it seems everything is "sealed" so ya have to buy the whole assembly.
What got me thinking was when the middle light went out on my sons sequential taillights on his 2014 mustang [Yes a mustang , and I bought it for him , It's what he wanted and after 4 yrs of univ. and 3 in law-school costing me less than the mustang It;s the least i could do.] When he told me the middle light was out I thought , well we'll get a bulb,well nope... 400 bucks for assembly good thing still under warranty . Anyway ,what kind of stuff do you fine folks want to see in a kit or single parts thats not available, we could maybe put the word out, if the assy's are there then parts have to be also , just need the right connections [ vendors etc] or we can just think up a lot of stuff and complain about it !
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07-25-2017, 06:25 AM | #2 |
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
On these trucks I find I can get individual components the same as ever. The only kits or packages are for a price savings or just our convenience, which is great. I'm talking about window seal kits, door seal kits, gas tank w/installation kit. You can get any of these parts separately if you want. It would be nice if every not pickin' piece was available without having to buy the whole part, but that's how the economics work. Every door button spring is made for a door handle, so the spring breaks and you buy a whole handle.
I just did the brake light out thing on my '95 Suburban. Did it on the '92 K3500 I had, too, the only light that ever went out in 22 years/335k. Both times I replaced the bulb and it didn't work. It's typical these days to replace the circuit board. Those are only twenty couple bucks. Lights on vehicles now are getting too complicated. All that neat stuff becomes an electrical liabilty on down the road. No thanks
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07-25-2017, 07:53 AM | #3 |
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
I'm sorry but I just have to laugh everytime someone posts about how hard it is to find parts and pieces to restore these old trucks , It's never been easier now with this ol internet thing we use today . try building one of these trucks with a couple local junkyards and a 1 county yellow pages directory while sitting in your kitchen talking on a wall mounted dial phone with a 4' cord and MAYBE having 1 Honest Charlies speed shop 40 miles away !
You young guys don't realize how good you've got it I still look back thru my magazine collection looking for old ads for old school hot parts from companies that "might" still be in business today . |
07-25-2017, 09:31 AM | #4 |
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
I don't think the OP was talking about assemblies for our trucks. This probably should have gone in the general discussion.
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07-25-2017, 09:37 AM | #5 |
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
aw...come on...it was so easy...you just drove 4 hours to a major swapmeet and walked around for 8 hrs in the blazing sun or mud and drizzle hoping to find what you needed...ever walk 2 miles carrying a set of big block exhaust manifolds?
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07-25-2017, 10:42 AM | #6 |
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
First , i must laugh if you think i'm a young guy lol , I was just venting i guess cuz you know some of these assy's could be engineered to avoid such high repair costs, I also saw a power steering post where members told the poster to take tank off new pump and put old one on. wouldn't it be nice to buy just the part you need ?
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07-25-2017, 02:07 PM | #7 |
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
That's my opinion too. I have replaced more than one attic gable fan (complete, including motor, fan, & mounting hardware) for lack of a 50-cent bushing that dried out. It's sometimes possible to buy just the motor but the cost is virtually the same as the entire unit -- and a lot harder to find.
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
Along these same lines, I have noticed that a lot of newer products have components that are just not meant to be rebuilt or tinkered with like the older stuff. Its a disposable society we live in now. Something stops working, you remove it, throw it away, and buy a new one. In general, our society has moved away from the days of actually fixing things. The trend amongst the younger generations is for immediate gratification, immediate fixes for problems, and this results in less overall mechanical knowledge. Now I know there are a lot of younger folks that don't follow this trend. But I believe it is the majority that do.
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07-25-2017, 05:11 PM | #9 |
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
I do not believe we as the consumers have a choice how we buy these parts, pieces , or things any longer. The manufacturers make things cheaper, faster, to benefit them, not us. They design it to not be maintained or repaired so they sell more. It's happening in everything. Nothing is like it used to be. I fix everything I can because I have 3 kids, 1 on the way, 3 dogs, and a wife and 1 income. Anything I can save goes towards something else. So cheaply made expensive things tick me off. My blower motor just went out for my furnace and I am not a HVAC guy. But I am now. Here is another area where parts are not made to be repaired. We could go on about this all day. I see the OP's idea, but I doubt it would ever happen. It takes a long time and a lot of money to get new parts introduced onto the market.
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$400.00 and that's just the price for the whole lamp set up ,plus what about the price for the folks who have no idea how to install it or where to even start. Not even a chore exchange with that head lamp ?
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Yep 400 + Actually takes a torx type wrench inside trunk and pull it off from outside. Not sure about core , was warranty
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The world wide internet economy is funny. I just had to replace one tail lamp circuit board because a brake light went out. I bought it local for $20+, could have bought online for a few dollars less. I also noticed parts of my 3rd brake light are out, so that needs replaced. I found one place selling both complete tail lamp assemblies w/circuit bard plus the 3rd brake light for about $60 w/free shipping! Some things are so crazy expensive because they can't be broken down into components and other things they package together so cheap you replace parts that didn't need replacing.
I just bought a new alternator for my '72 yesterday. The system was charging fine and all that, but I heard a bad noise like the fan hitting shroud (sporadically). Water pump felt tight and so did the pulley on the alternator. But I noticed the housing sounded funny when I bumped it. The back half of the case was loose. Two of the long thin bolts/screws were missing. I scrounged up a bad core of the same alt, and stole the screws. They wouldn't thread in and that's when I discovered the bolts had sheared. Weird, but anyway, I pulled the alt. to see what I could do and decided to not even try to drill out those tiny broken shanks and just buy a new part because I needed to get going to work. I could have used the case of the known bad one for the guts from the known new one. I just didn't have time right then. The money spent was less than what I would have lost on the job while tinkering around with an alternator that may not last so long. But I still have the two to make one good.
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Re: I was thinking...Do you remember ?
17 years ago I had a 40 Plymouth and it came with a factory service manual. That book showed how to rebuild the water pump, shocks and much more.
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Maybe you still can..but I remember when you could buy a kit and rebuild starters, master cylinders, wheel cylinders, etc..... but also.... I will say that sometimes the time constraints outweigh the cost of just buying a new or re-manufactured part and simply swapping it out....just my 2¢.....
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Spent many hours when I was a kid with a copy of "The Tradin Post" (Printed out craigslist if you are a kid), A Hemmings and every printed catalog I could gather at Springfield.
I was lucky that here in Ohio (100 odd miles S. of Detroit) we had some kick ass salvage yards. Things are faster/easier now, but a lot less interesting. I guess 40 is old, but I'm probably the last generation that grew up in the old days of old cars before the internet and cell phones made everything fast.
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There are some great self-determination projects mentioned here.
What is a little weird tho'...is that a lot of guys (Dads) are now building their sons (or daughters?) vehicle for them, which contradicts a lot of the self-made talent on this forum. I often wonder what happened to that ability and spirit in a lot of the young teenagers to learn and do this type of work and hobby on their own, at least the same way so many here did? Its not all young men, there are a few exceptions here and there....but its increasingly more of them every day it seems. ....I say this as respectfully and as I can....and I'm not sure if this is a good trend....or not. All good Coley
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To the OP, there are plenty of scrapyards, craigslist, offerup, ebay, and simply a web search to find good used parts, but yes, as others have mentioned, the mfgrs now have a replace, not a rebuild mentality.
Then again, rebuilders (which probably don't exist for tailights but maybe should at that price) take time to find a market. For example when introduced the Chevy SBC had no parts available at the parts store--no demand. As far as sealed goes, I have more hammers and chisels than I know, a giant compressor, 43 air toys and a fire wrench--no taillight can can win... Finally, what was/is wrong w/ that middle light? What happened to fixing stuff yourself? Last edited by franken; 07-26-2017 at 10:51 PM. |
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