A Legal Discussion - Rosette Rivets

[The Rocknrod]

Uh Oh the online rosette rivet sheriff is in town.

[Dino575]

Just thought it might help....not trying to rock the boat or urinate in any ones sea rations Master Chief

[Flying Hamster]

I guess I'm a little puzzled as to how they thought rosette rivets are so secure.
It doesn't take long to transform a regular rivet into a convincing rosette, not that I recommend/endorse it. Add a little grime patina...
Back in the 70s and 80s, brand F would rivet the VIN tag to the dash pad, which comes out in a few minutes with a few screws. Swap the pad, swap the VIN.

[yelmer]

what happens when they fall off and you put them back on ?

[Dino575]

You're actually supposed to have state police do that for you ....you take your title and any other proof of ownership with you and they will do a vin affidavit and check frame numbers.... as long as all matches they will attach it for you as well as give you paper work validating they did it. That's how it is done here in New Mexico. I have had it done through my shop for several customers. Not sure how other states work.

[yelmer]

would the body vin matter if you have the stamped frame the same number? If you had to change cabs could you put your old vin from your old cab onto the new cab . you would be repairing the truck . just wondering because if you left the old vin on the repaired cab that would be more of a problem?

[RKO]

Originally Posted by Captainfab

I have a '62 cab and I checked 3 of 6 '63's and they all are spot welded. One of them looked like the spot welds were coming loose. That may explain a few of '63's and earlier with either round or rosette rivets. I checked a '64 cab and a '65 truck and both of those had round rivets. A couple of my '66's that I checked both had rosette rivets.

Are your 66 Rosette Rivets stainless steel or carbon metal rivets
Nebraska DMV told me to keep all bills of sales for anything i bought and there' would be no problem with them. So far so good. (Dont think they wanted to spend the time looking at all the paper work i had)

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by Robert Haas

where is the welded option for your poll?

I didn't know there was a welded option when I started this poll.

[The Rocknrod]

Originally Posted by LostMy65

I didn't know there was a welded option when I started this poll.

Neither did I for GM. Dodge claimed they were the first to have a bonded VIN plate back in the day ('63) but I don't believe it now.

[StorminNorman]

Originally Posted by Flying Hamster

I guess I'm a little puzzled as to how they thought rosette rivets are so secure.
It doesn't take long to transform a regular rivet into a convincing rosette, not that I recommend/endorse it. Add a little grime patina...
Back in the 70s and 80s, brand F would rivet the VIN tag to the dash pad, which comes out in a few minutes with a few screws. Swap the pad, swap the VIN.

99-04 Jeep Grand Cherokees are similar to this. The vin plate is attached to the dashboard structure, Not the body. Dashboard structure can be unbolted, required in order to service heater etc.
I bought one used for parts. In effect I have the VIN tag but not the vehicle it belongs to. Is that a Crime ?

[61K10]

Reference to the welded one-- my 61 k tk are what looks like a spot weld. there is a divot/impression of some sort but not a rivet. It's like they used a nail gun like for bodywork? Kinda hard to see in the pics.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

Dodge claimed they were the first to have a bonded VIN plate back in the day ('63) but I don't believe it now.

Hardly.

Early 60's Pontiac VINs were spotwelded to the A pillar door jamb.

('63 Grand Prix shown).

K