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Old 06-25-2018, 09:13 PM   #76
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Excellent documentation! Pretty sure the low note horn has an L on it and the standard has the J. I’ll try to look at mine tomorrow as I have both!
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Old 06-26-2018, 01:49 AM   #77
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Excellent documentation! Pretty sure the low note horn has an L on it and the standard has the J. I’ll try to look at mine tomorrow as I have both!
You guys give me a lot of props for documentation and it's appreciated. Comes with the personality and former profession. It's really a sickness, you don't know the 100th of it. I have a few data sheets, and I wrote some manuals that by some measure has GM manuals beat (more details). Truck specific of course, but they're similar. Glad that's over, though I need to proof read and edit one last time as I build her.

I read "L" was the lower horn too. All I know is mine are stamped "H" (headlight) and "J" (core support rail). It's possible they were switched at some point, but I'd bet the house they're truck original. Wouldn't surprise me a bit there are variances in stamps. Interested to hear what your horns are marked.
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Well, I don’t have a L but I do have a H on my ‘67 C10 Custom. and a D on my ‘68 GMC C&C which are both standard horns. Each of them have the circle on them where the H or L would be but are blank. The high/low horns I have from my ‘68 GMC Custom have H and L inside the circles. IMO you have a high and a standard horn.
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I believe you were the one looking for an N bed bolt for your truck......I put one aside for you last summer I’ll locate it if your still needing it?
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Wow, standard, low and high horns. Thanks for checking. And thanks for the offer, but I scored some "N" bolts off a board member.

Someday I'll have to ID my 72. I do I see two horns however, one mounted below the headlight, and one mounted using the fender to core support bracket that's shaped like a trumpet. Appears original, the truck has an aux. battery tray.

I may have to rethink the "J" being a low note horn. Not much info. out there and I can't find a "J" horn. Low must be "L" and high must be "H" seems to be an over-simplification across vehicles anyway. More than a few notes in the "sea shell" form.

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These were removed from my project truck in 1993 when the engine was rebuilt. They were in a box of mystery parts that were also removed, mostly A/C stuff. They were only a mystery to me - didn't have a clue about most of it.

Be cool to hear someone else has these on their 71ish BBC. SBC chime in too. It's a transmission lines retainer, a dual spark plug wire retainer, which I'm pretty sure it uses a valve cover bolt, and a wire/hose retainer that takes a 3/8" bolt, maybe even a 7/16" bolt.
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The powder coat place is backed up, but I'm giving someone else a shot, starting out with these parts................ Post helps me ID stuff

Received the hinges back from Willie, the hood parts powder coated. He did a nice job. Springs are NOS. For what it's worth, and since it's per Willie it has value, Sea Foam DC-14 Deep Creep Lubricant for hinges. Soak the hood hinges up good before install. He said my hinges were nice considering I never lubricated Guilty as charged.
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Other than some details this is going NOWHERE. Don't mind the break, but come on. I checked on a different powder place and they won't work. The preferred PC shop is backed up "3-4 weeks" still, Painter is backed up too. No frame and no oil pan, can't very well build a truck. Real reason I posted is I didn't want to search for these again. Safe to say the transmissions were silver etc., but still some nice details.

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Incidentally, the intake manifold bolt business above, I ended up with NOS "M" bolts instead. I think there are more available on Ebay, nice bolts for a nice price. They have a regular recessed hex, not round like the OLD "M" bolts, but at least they'll all match. Anyone know if the original intake bolts were painted or were they just black phosphate? In other terms, were the blocks painted with the intake manifolds on?
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Engine painted with the intake manifold and its bolts in place.
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Engine painted with the intake manifold and its bolts in place.
I imagine so Deadhead, thank you. Not sure if I'm painting the new bolts, but I probably will. Pretty simple with a brush and nice affect too (POR15).

Good news today. I called the powder coating place and good timing. They have a break and the frame etc. goes in tomorrow. About time I start building this thing huh? Things are about to get REAL expensive
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That doesn't bother me a bit. Let's roll.
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That doesn't bother me a bit. Let's roll.

Roll is right. Dropped the parts off then visited Hot August for a hint of what's there. A ton of amazing cars and trucks. Quite a few 67-72 Chevy P/U, people like them a lot, high show or not. Some decent originals, and a NICE 67 SWB mod. Sorry no pics, I need a smart phone (gulp). I can't quite taste it yet. 2020 or I quit
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Had the frame, cross members, A/C brackets and some other powder coated for the first run. $1150, and well worth it. Better than new. Along with some other stamps, until today I didn't realize they punched two serial numbers into the frame.

Dropped the axle off for the once over too. They're setting me up with a 1-piece shaft.
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I forgot to ask the powder coat to spare the axle cover surface, but COME ON, the place has been in business since forever. At least they sealed up the threads.

I used a 40ish grit pad and paint stripper wheel on a drill. I was lost how to hit the area around the "breather"? ports, but ended up doing it with paint remover, very carefully. Did the job, came out nice.

If that's a 9-71 date code on that gear, which I imagine it is, then the original owner replaced the gears. He likeed towing and that. Drives nice IMO, so I left as is. I must have $700 into an axle I hadn't originally planned for HA! - she's a money pit. An axle shop freshened it up.
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I forgot to ask the powder coat to spare the axle cover surface, but COME ON, the place has been in business since forever. At least they sealed up the threads.

I used a 40ish grit pad and paint stripper wheel on a drill. I was lost how to hit the area around the "breather"? ports, but ended up doing it with paint remover, very carefully. Did the job, came out nice.

If that's a 9-71 date code on that gear, which I imagine it is, then the original owner replaced the gears. He likeed towing and that. Drives nice IMO, so I left as is. I must have $700 into an axle I hadn't originally planned for HA! - she's a money pit. An axle shop freshened it up.
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Looking good as always...hope this project hasn't driven you to smoking
Ha, thanks, no I quit If only I can get my son here to move the frame and install the engine cross member. Don't want to scratch things up The new game is hurry up and wait, though there's always something to do. Think I rec'd all the rear suspension pending review.

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I like the black zinc with the powder coat. The original bolts were in a good way, as were the unique washers, so I just replaced the nuts and lock washers. Searching for hardware and editing my manual is no fun. Finishing something is.

New ECE rear suspension received, but bolts pending, and turns out I need the original upper and lower U-bolt plates. I thought they were replaceable, maybe they are, but word is use what you have if good. New drop spindles holding up the front, because they come unfinished. Money pit.

Tony screwed up. I can't get the painter to finish my oil pan much less a ton of parts that I've yet brought him for black satin. I guess that's what happens when he's the best and family. .............Anyway I'd like the A/C bracket to intake manifold done so I can finish the engine, so I jumped the gun and had my A/C brackets powder coated.

Don't do that I read 200 degrees or look for another finish. Can't say what the surface temperature is on a BBC, but bet your (*^* the exhaust manifolds are hotter, and one bracket connects to the exhaust manifold. If that were it fine, but I suspect a cast iron intake and block are in the neighborhood of 200 degrees ??? So I believe I'm removing powder coat from all my A/C brackets..........

At least nothing else was done near the block. False assumption on my part PC would withstand heat. Input welcome.
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I like the black zinc with the powder coat. The original bolts were in a good way, as were the unique washers, so I just replaced the nuts and lock washers. Searching for hardware and editing my manual is no fun. Finishing something is.

New ECE rear suspension received, but bolts pending, and turns out I need the original upper and lower U-bolt plates. I thought they were replaceable, maybe they are, but word is use what you have if good. New drop spindles holding up the front, because they come unfinished. Money pit.

Tony screwed up. I can't get the painter to finish my oil pan much less a ton of parts that I've yet brought him for black satin. I guess that's what happens when he's the best and family. .............Anyway I'd like the A/C bracket to intake manifold done so I can finish the engine, so I jumped the gun and had my A/C brackets powder coated.

Don't do that I read 200 degrees or look for another finish. Can't say what the surface temperature is on a BBC, but bet your (*^* the exhaust manifolds are hotter, and one bracket connects to the exhaust manifold. If that were it fine, but I suspect a cast iron intake and block are in the neighborhood of 200 degrees ??? So I believe I'm removing powder coat from all my A/C brackets..........

At least nothing else was done near the block. False assumption on my part PC would withstand heat. Input welcome.
Interesting. What did they coat them with from the factory? Nothing?
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Interesting. What did they coat them with from the factory? Nothing?
Couldn't tell you.
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I take it back, I suspect everything was painted satin black with ??? The top bracket appears to be the exception, which may have just been a phosphate coating.

Here are my A/C brackets. They sat in a box for approaching 25 years, and I know they were never refinished. I mounted them for a dry run.
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After talking to a guy with great experience, "we" decided to leave the powder coat on the A/C brackets and timing plate. Exception being the bracket on the exhaust manifold. Time will tell, but for now I'm relieved. Means I can install the timing chain cover, harmonic and intake. Still don't have my oil pan
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Just simple this and that's on my truck of late...... I'm trying to wrap up a landscape job.

Finally installed my harmonic and timing cover. Oil pan due any day now, and my rear suspension is pending me for powder coat. So yeah, awfully short on assembly so far.

I picked up new shackles for the rear leaf springs. The shackles were a bit scraped up, so I used Eastwood's "phosphate paint" and etch primer I picked up for the bench seat brackets.

If it holds up I'll be happy as a clam. It's very close to phosphate coating, even for the trained eye. Nearly feels like phosphate. Traces of "bling" as well, but the pics didn't pick it up.

On a side, somehow I thought the parts on these trucks were primarily Manganese phosphate. That's wrong. Per this website, they're Zinc phosphate. http://429mustangcougarinfo.50megs.com/new_page_26.htm

I should probably check this stuff out before I go painting Per this website, zinc phosphate makes for a nice under surface for powder coat. Strikes me that would apply to paints as well. Time will tell. https://www.pfonline.com/articles/zi...s-zinc-plating

The first website reads zinc phosphate is phosphate and oil ON TOP of a zinc base plating. Yet the second website reads zinc plating is more resistant to corrosion than zinc phosphate Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Making some headway and learning a lot.

U-bolt torque? Kind of a mystery, too many variables. Nearest I can tell from reading the MAX. is 93-100 ft. lbs. for grade 8 9/16" U-bolts with saddles and plates. Best to use oil, or better yet anti-seize. I'm at 75 lbs., it feels like I'll be good @ 78-85.

Figure I got an oil pan yet? I love the guy, he's family, but I better flash some motivational cash, and he runs spensive. It's the price he charges on reputation, honest for real. He's great, but if you want your stuff done bring cash, and he's right on it.......................I only say that because he may end up finishing body/paint. Without asking, he's motivated by 18-20K. That's with a dry run and the moldings assembled, but the bed is 95% already done, and the rest is a solid foundation.

Oh well Be nice to finish in two years.
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Thanks DOS.

Learning a lot. I've only installed one side of brake tube past, at the master cyl. Clearly, the reason a nut won't tighten is the flange isn't dead nuts over the nipple.

If you ask me, all ends but one required some bending, exception being to the LH wheel cyl. I don't have a bender less a pair of pliers, so for the most part I bent them by hand while they were positioned in the retainers. Got the axle shafts installed too. Close to running out of things to do pending an engine pan, rebuilt e-brake cables and transmission rebuild, but there always seems to be something to do.
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