Do you ever think about Ev taking over gas power

[67C10Step]

I'll say maybe, WAY out there past my time here. I think I will see EV use grow in the more urban areas of the country and that is a good thing for a number of reasons. Regional air quality being one. I'm not a global warming, fish kissing, tree hugger but the less fossil fuel vehicles on the road in places like LA and New York City would not be a bad thing.

In fly over country where I live and plan to stay (good Lord willing) the fossil fuel based autos will remain for a long time. In some of the bigger urban areas, sure, but not out in the country. I don't see an electric tractor, combine, backhoe, or track hoe in my lifetime.

The big issue has been mentioned. Electricity generation and delivery. These same urban areas that need EV's are the ones that have taken the hard line stance on renewable energy, which I am not against either, just I know somewhere, somehow, there has to be a generation turbine being spun by water or steam to make the bulk of the power. Then the overtaxed and outdated distribution system has to be addressed. All you have to do is look at California to see what's in the future for all of us if we don't get real. This is the real world and not dream world. We can work toward dream world but if you want your lights to come on and your AC to run in the summertime for the time being you gotta face reality. Otherwise, you get brown outs, black outs and sky high bills because your power is coming from the most expensive way to generate it.

[1976gmc20]

air quality

You can stick your face behind the tail pipe of the newer vehicles. It's mostly CO2 and water vapor.

Even as much as I hate all the complicated electronic stuff, I have to admit they are really clean.

[Palf70Step]

Not sure where it will go. It has some benefits, but unless they build a supporting infrastructure, then it will probably go the way of some of the other alternatives. Politics probably will not be the driving force, economics will. Just depends on when or what becomes a cheaper and supportive alternative to petrol.

[67ChevyRedneck]

It's been a while since I researched all this, but going straight off memory ( ) all of these hybrids and EV's rely on large battery packs that use rare earth metals. As best I can recall, China pretty much has exclusivity to the mines and produces 95% of all rare earth metals. I can also recall reading an article or two where they know this and it's thought they can (or will) at some point cut off the rest of the world from their use and keep their sale/use in house.

[dajn]

Originally Posted by lousyflyer

What is needed is a modern day Nikola Tesla. Someone with the genius of forward thought not saddled by small minded developers.

Tesla had many theories that we could use now, like avoiding power line losses by transmitting electricity through the air. Or encouraging lightning strikes at predetermined locations so the energy could be captured and utilized.

We should probably overlook his phobia about not eating food unless it was divided into portions divisible by the number three.
Or being creeped out by women with things on their ears.

Tesla - Innovator, Genius, Confirmed bachelor.

This is the correct answer. Eventually another genius will come along to wipe our ass for us and move us all forward.

[Warrens69GMC]

Originally Posted by 67C10Step

In fly over country where I live and plan to stay (good Lord willing) the fossil fuel based autos will remain for a long time. In some of the bigger urban areas, sure, but not out in the country. I don't see an electric tractor, combine, backhoe, or track hoe in my lifetime.

You may begin to see LPG, propane and or/diesel hybrids.

[FleetsidePaul]

Originally Posted by Warrens69GMC

You may begin to see LPG, propane and or/diesel hybrids.

I don't know about propane. I just got my latest propane bill and it was uglier than a hairy bug eyed girl with bad hygiene and one tooth.

It's expensive.

[62c30]

Originally Posted by FleetsidePaul

I don't know about propane. I just got my latest propane bill and it was uglier than a hairy bug eyed girl with bad hygiene and one tooth.

It's expensive.

I think I just paid $1.21 a gallon here delivered

[Warrens69GMC]

So you don't think a propane hybrid could work in a rural setting?

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by Warrens69GMC

So you don't think a propane hybrid could work in a rural setting?

Fill it off your own 1000 gal house tank. No road tax!

Smokey would have a hard time sampling your propane

[Stocker]

For better or for worse (or is that for dumb or for dumber!) I sometimes ask myself -- If all-electric is so darn wonderful, why don't we have electric airplanes instead of jets?
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That is all...... Crawling back to my cave now. Because Dale's corner is already taken.

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by Stocker

For better or for worse (or is that for dumb or for dumber!) I sometimes ask myself -- If all-electric is so darn wonderful, why don't we have electric airplanes instead of jets?
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That is all...... Crawling back to my cave now. Because Dale's corner is already taken.

Because nuclear power plants for airplanes never got off the ground

[Rich84]

Keep the government out of the market and let the chips fall where they may.

They have a habit of controlling consumption with price (tax). When they want battery power or pedal power or whatever, that's what you will get. The only thing we can do is Vote.

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by Stocker

For better or for worse (or is that for dumb or for dumber!) I sometimes ask myself -- If all-electric is so darn wonderful, why don't we have electric airplanes instead of jets?
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That is all...... Crawling back to my cave now. Because Dale's corner is already taken.

We will soon there are several companies working on it

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301095546.html

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by 1976gmc20

Fill it off your own 1000 gal house tank. No road tax!

Smokey would have a hard time sampling your propane

They will figure a way to keep you from doing just that. Like the red dye in home heating oil which is diesel. I buy off road diesel for my kubota

[Stocker]

Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper

We will soon there are several companies working on it

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301095546.html

Me and my big mouth....

Gonna be interesting to see how it all pans out. I noticed the article said hybrid, not pure electric. Plenty of smart fellers out there with new ideas, though.

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper

We will soon there are several companies working on it

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301095546.html

So that's a couple of turbo-props with a couple of electro-props for boost ???

[72c20customcamper]

Originally Posted by 1976gmc20

So that's a couple of turbo-props with a couple of electro-props for boost ???

From what I have read it takes off with normal Propulsion then when it gets to cruising altitude it switches to electric

[1976gmc20]

Originally Posted by 72c20customcamper

From what I have read it takes off with normal Propulsion then when it gets to cruising altitude it switches to electric

Well, that's sort of backwards ... turbo-jet/fan/prop engines get more efficient the higher and faster that they go.

[kipps]

Originally Posted by 1976gmc20

Because nuclear power plants for airplanes never got off the ground

Technically they did. They've just never actually powered the plane yet.

The US and the Soviets were making test flights with live nuclear reactors on board during the 1950's and 60's. These test flights were mostly for researching how much shielding was needed for the crew. The eventual goal of each program was to have jet engines that were directly heating the compressed air by nuclear heat. They were not intending to use electric to power the propulsion system.

The intent during the Cold War days, was to have a nuclear bomber force that could stay aloft indefinitely, and be ready to obliterate the opponent on a moment's notice. The development of ICBM missiles eclipsed the program, and the aeronautical nuclear tests were canceled.

In 2018, the Soviets claimed to have a nuclear powered ram-jet in a missile, that gave it nearly unlimited range across the globe. Evidence says they have actually test flown the thing, but with unknown results.

[truckster]

Originally Posted by kipps

Technically they did. They've just never actually powered the plane yet.

The US and the Soviets were making test flights with live nuclear reactors on board during the 1950's and 60's. These test flights were mostly for researching how much shielding was needed for the crew. The eventual goal of each program was to have jet engines that were directly heating the compressed air by nuclear heat. They were not intending to use electric to power the propulsion system.

The intent during the Cold War days, was to have a nuclear bomber force that could stay aloft indefinitely, and be ready to obliterate the opponent on a moment's notice. The development of ICBM missiles eclipsed the program, and the aeronautical nuclear tests were canceled.

In 2018, the Soviets claimed to have a nuclear powered ram-jet in a missile, that gave it nearly unlimited range across the globe. Evidence says they have actually test flown the thing, but with unknown results.

The US built a working prototype of a nuclear jet engine - the HTRE-3 - in 1956. The problem with it was that its emissions were highly radioactive. It would have sickened or killed anyone in its flight path.

We own a CNG Express van and a hybrid Toyota Highlander - both have advantages as well as drawbacks. As long as there's still gasoline left for my Blazer and my Z28, I don't care what anyone else drives.