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Old 04-09-2020, 09:12 PM   #51
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Re: 1947 Panel Truck Frame swap with 88 k2500

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I like how the front tires dont stick out of the fenders, they are just inside. I may be able to run wheels with a greater positive offset to suck the tires in. The fan and fan clutch are being greedy in the core support area. Well get the grill and support panel mocked up and see how a radiator will fit.
I think you'll find you're at the limit of what you'll find for wheel offset. I ran in to the same issue with Ethyl. The 1994 Dodge 4wd front axle was wider than i had considered and with stock Dodge rims and 235/85R16 tires, they are just past the fender openings on my 1957. After checking with various vendors, the only way to get anymore offset would be custom made wheels, which would cost a small fortune and only net an additional 5/8" of inward tuck. Not worth it in my book.

I think yours fit quite well, definitely better than mine. I say go with it.

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Old 04-10-2020, 11:16 AM   #52
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Re: 1947 Panel Truck Frame swap with 88 k2500

After all the other fine work you have done, adding a strip of filler to the fenders to widen them would be easy. Then your wheel options open up and no worries about steering geometry upsets with scrub angles etc.
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Old 04-13-2020, 11:12 PM   #53
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Re: 1947 Panel Truck Frame swap with 88 k2500

how about trying front fenders from one of the "big" AD"s like a 3500(?). I hear they are about 3" wider each side over a 3100 fender.
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Old 04-17-2020, 02:58 PM   #54
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Re: 1947 Panel Truck Frame swap with 88 k2500

Thanks for the comments and feedback. I had the radiator mounted in front of the core support with the 54 235, It should fit there with this 5.7. I may have a new radiator modified or built. There are a few issues with the radiator that I will look at. 3 core vs. 4 core. Vertical flow vs. crossflow. Location of the upper and lower ports. Copper vs. Aluminum regarding Galvanic reaction with the engine.

I would like to keep everything stock, or as much as possible on the body, and the drivetrain. There is already a lot of headscratching going on to figure things out. Moving the engine, or moving the steering gear would cause dominoe effects. That adds to the cost of the project, and this work is being done in a shop so I need to keep the focus on the big picture.

I found a couple vendors that offer wheels with vintage looking hub caps, I may go that route, of get the clips and use my original hubcaps, but I will be driving this before that happens.

I saw that Chevrolet did a frame swap a couple years ago. They widened the front fenders. I have considered it. The bigger truck fenders is another option too, I believe the hood would also be part of that swap since the rear lower corners of the hood are different on those. I am real happy with where the wheels sit now, so Ill leave it at that.

Things are moving along. The shop owner has his sons working since one is a Barber and cant work otherwise. Im glad I can help support the economy during these trying times. The front sheet metal is being fitted. Time to get everything mocked up, so I delivered some parts last week. Awhile ago I picked up a new GM steering column from someone who gave up on a jeep project. While I was looking for similar builds, I saw on Old57s build that he used Kugel Komponents Brake bracket. I called them and ordered separate Brake and Clutch brackets since they didnt offer a separate clutch bracket. I need the clearance for the stock brake booster. Ordered on Tuesday, arrived on Thursday, Wow! I also went to the parts yard and cut a fuel filler door panel out of a Nissan, that was fun

I have been keeping busy figuring out a way to keep the stock speedometer. It just might work. I have a motor mounted to the back of the speedometer, and am developing code to make it work, so far so good.
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Old 04-30-2020, 04:09 PM   #55
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The grill is almost fitted. Some creative design for the core support. My idea was to use the stock radiator until I get a custom radiator built. Doesn’t look like it will fit in there now… I got some seats from a Chevy Astro. Mocking up the steering column, pedals, and seat.
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Old 04-30-2020, 04:19 PM   #56
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It's coming along...Be ready before you know it.
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Old 04-30-2020, 06:46 PM   #57
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Those brake/clutch pedals look great. Please post some photos when you mount them.
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Old 05-27-2020, 03:08 PM   #58
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The steering column is in as well as the Brake and Clutch assemblies. We used a section from the donor steering column to join the GM column to the donor shaft, needed about 4. We also took the hole from the donor firewall. The pedal assemblies are in place. Still need to put in the donor gas pedal, and the foot starter bracket. The gas tank has been repositioned a little forward and a little down for clearance issues. The fuel filler door is in place. It looks like the battery will sit under the passenger seat. The original location was under the passenger floor, but with the wider frame that wont work. There is an access cover under the seat, the battery can be lowered in and rotated to sit towards the outside. The exhaust runs through that area, but theres enough room for a battery. The other option is to have the battery high on the inner fender, under the seat is a cleaner option.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:56 AM   #59
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The fuel filler door, looks like they had a hell of a time with that. It is what it is. We now have a bracket for the brake lever. Still working on the bracket for the foot starter linkage. The foot starter linkage will not include the arm that attached to the starter. It will just be the foot pedal and the curved bracket that it is attached to, and will mount on the body to actuate a momentary button. The plan is to have that done by next week and remove the body from the chassis to finish the welds on the body mount brackets.
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Old 07-17-2020, 04:31 PM   #60
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I have been working on the radiator issue. The stearing gear interferes now, and I am running the stock 88 fan and fan clutch. I looked at using the original radiator shifted up or out at the bottom, there just isnt room to go up much. I looked at using the 88 radiator, I even tried a 70 camaro radiator for fit as I read that might work. There are brackets behind the front grill that restrict that area. I drew up some plans and went to the radiator shop for feedback. They suggested I go with a modified downflow, mock it up in cardboard for fit. So that is what I did. My builder changed the core support bracket to accommodate a radiator. I drew up some final plans and am ready to go back to the radiator shop to have a custom radiator made. I will use the stock 50s top tank (20) and have the bottom tank cut down to just under 18. There is a band on each side of the core, so the max width will be 18 with the core just under that. 25 tall with the frame and core support being different from stock there is room to go lower. Well use 2-row dimpled core, so Im hoping it will be thin enough to not have to cut into the latch panel much. The top tank will be offset to the rear. I had been running a 235 inline six with the stock radiator mounted to the front of the core support, so there is about a 1 cut out in the latch panel. The radiator should look right when in place. Ill ask if we can fit in an oil cooler in the 2x 18 gap.
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Old 07-17-2020, 06:11 PM   #61
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Re: 1947 Panel Truck Frame swap with 88 k2500

s10 swap guys run into the same radiator/steering box clearance issue and buy a 19x22 3 core from speedway. a word of advice, the lower hose connection points INWARD toward the crank pulley, some cut it off and turn it so it points OUTWARD toward the inner fender. in the past I used a 19x21 I found on ebay with a trans cooler in it and a straight lower hose connector.

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The body is back off the frame, Body mounts are being welded on. The rear runningboard bracket conflicts with the spring perch. I collected the bed wood. Ill glue up the cracks, clean it up, and finnish. The wood is in pretty good condition considering the age.
I had created a spreadsheet of parts early on for the build. I started with a Jim Carter catalog. Went page by page, adding to my spreadsheet whatever I thought was needed. The list is in no particular order, so its kind of jumbled, but it works. I then went through an LMC catalog since I had one in hand. Classic parts website next. I have a list of each part with the price difference. I found most of the parts from these three suppliers, but there are some things that I had to search for. LMC has some good generic options that I couldnt find at JC, or CP, like aftermarket seatbelts. I added Ecklers, they have specific parts I couldnt find elsewhere, such as hood hinge bolts. Im adding a door lock to the drivers side and since I already have a left hand housing, I just needed the key cylinder. Chevs of the 40s has the left door lock assembly for 1941-1948 cars. I found just the cylinder at autopartsobsolete for $20 less than the whole assembly. Im adding rear lights from a 39 sedan. I found about 3 different makes from several vendors. Olddogstreetrods had the ones for me, but they did not include the gasket. I found the gasket at the Filling Station, they had some other interesting parts. I got a hood side emblem from them. At this point I wasnt going through my entire spreadsheet to compare all the prices, just select pieces. ClassicPartusa has the doorlock gasket, and spring for the rear door lock rod. Simple little things, maybe Im not looking in the right place, but I couldnt find those parts elsewhere. I also read about an alternative part for the rear door bumper from 80/20 Inc. I had read about Steele Rubber, so they are on the list. Im going to really have to want their product since the prices a quite a bit higher. I placed an order from Jim Carter, and Classic Parts awhile ago. Last week I decided to get more stuff, so I placed orders with Ecklers, Chevsofthe40s, and Filling Station. Now that the frame has been worked out its on to the bodywork, prep for paint. I may be getting ahead of myself, but I dont want to wait for some parts that I could have ready to go.
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