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Old 04-16-2018, 08:47 PM   #1
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How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

Picked up some centerline wheels this weekend on my way down to Pomona swap meet this weekend. Tried installing today and my studs are too short. Anyone have a diy method to remove old studs and install the new longer ones? All while leaving rear axles installed as well as doing the fronts (drums all around).

Been shopping for studs and they are about $2.50 a piece so $50+ for 22 of them (6 bolt hubs and 2 of the driver rear studs have already been replaced with longer studs).
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:00 PM   #2
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

Yep no problem, Get a big hammer and drive out the old ones. Then start the new ones end. Put a washer over the new stud. Get a stock lug nut and impact it on.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:20 PM   #3
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Yep no problem, Get a big hammer and drive out the old ones. Then start the new ones end. Put a washer over the new stud. Get a stock lug nut and impact it on.
OK sounds simple enough.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:29 PM   #4
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

Buy a stud installer from matco or snap-on. Its has a bearing in it so no undue stress is put on the threads as you pull the stud through the flange. If you just do the washer make sure you use lots of lube and never tighten past when the flange of the stud touches rhe back of the axle. If you do it will stretch the stud and ruin b the threads.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:10 PM   #5
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

You can also use et(extended thread) studs.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:11 PM   #6
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

You can also use et(extended thread) wheel nuts
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:27 PM   #7
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You can also use et(extended thread) wheel nuts
Not sure those would work on my wheels. My wheels have the angled surface that meets the lug but. If my wheels had the flat surface (that accepted a skinnier flat shank lug nut with washer) they would work. As trying to use my standard lug nuts maybe 4 threads are engaged. My drivers rear hub has 2 replaced studs which are about 1/4Ē longer. Those allow enough threads for the lugnuts to be safe.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:28 AM   #8
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The special installer would be nice or you can pull the axles and use a press which is the best way if you use really long studs.

But I do as above with a pair of washers with grease between them which creates a plain bearings. Then use a stock open ended lug nut you put on backwards so that the taper is up and the larger flat nut head is bearing against the washer. Then spin it down with an impact until the knurl is pulled through the axle and the stud head is flush against the back of the axle.

Donít over tighten as you can break the head off the stud.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:57 AM   #9
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Drift punch them out, knock new in from behind, draw tight with all lug nuts, use larger nut or socket for spacer if no thread to bottom, remove lug nuts, install drum/rotor and wheel. When you are slipping the new studs through, move right and left to feel the splines align and tap in easy to start them first. Then smack them in tight. You can use a fat punch to knock them tight as possible, but I always do the lug nut thing from the front after. I now have a press but have not needed to replace any studs since buying
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I'd be afraid to bang on all the studs to get them out, and then use the impact to pull the new ones in. You run the risk of spinning the stud and then you're in trouble. Plus, if I recall correctly from doing my own studs, I dont remember there being enough room to get the old studs out the back and then the new longer studs in without pulling the axle out some. On mine, I just accepted that I had to pull the axles and ended up using a sleeve I made to press the studs out and in.

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The et lugnuts have a conical seat.
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A stock open end lug nut.
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Pay close attention to the size of the spline on the old studs. There are lots of different sizes and it is easy to get one that is too large or small. If you have access to a micrometer taken some measurements of the hole and the old studs before you go to the store.
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

I had to replace studs on the roadside in a Blazer with Auburn Gear posi. I only had one jack so there was no spinning the axle. One stud was left intact and I had my lucky day since that was the one lined up with the wheel cylinder and the other five were clear to back out and go back in. All I had were my carpentry tools and my son had left the jack crank out. I took a pair of tin shears opened up to a cross and put the tip of one side in the slot in the jack to crank it up. Slow process but got it in the air. I had a straight claw hammer and my trusty drift punch. Got a ride to the parts store and back from a passer by, drew the studs up tight, put wheel on, and down the road I went.
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Old 04-17-2018, 11:13 AM   #15
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Had a similar experience on the highway between Spokane and Moses Lake. Car began vibrating. Pulled over and found i had only one stud left on the right rear. I fortunately had more tools than you did, but no parts were to be had. I pulled one stud out of the other three wheels and installed them in the missing holes and got back home with 4 studs on each wheel. It wasn't very long after that I ditched the aftermarket wheels.
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

When you can buy a U-joint press or a full upright Harbor Freight press with jack for $99, I don't think there's a lot of excuse for hammering them out or impacting them on.

I had all 32 to do, and installed them by hand with a u-joint press. Pushed them out with a upright press. I had to drill for larger studs at the same time, but that's another story.

Long story short, I don't think zipping them on with their nut is the hot ticket. It'll work in a pinch but might as well do it the "right" way if you're so inclined.
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I've got one of these in the toolbox. Works wonders for only $20

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You can also use et(extended thread) wheel nuts
What kind of half-assery is this?
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In my mind installing them on the car is less of an issue. But removing them? I really don't like hammering on the axle when it is still on the vehicle. Depending on the type of axle the force of the blow is transferred directly to the bearing or the C-clip retainer in the differential. It doesn't leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling as to their future lifespan. But lots of folks have done it with no issues.
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

Thanks for all the input/advice guys. I have access to my friends air hammer and impact wrench (I have air at the house). I really don’t want to remove the axles etc.

The standard Dorman part for my truck is the stud size I need. Guess from the factory they were like 1/4” shorter? Picking them up from autozone after work and may get the air tools also. Maybe get started on getting a stud out this evening.

Trying to keep at it everyday. This wheel thing has pushed back my gas tank relocation project. I will be glad to have this done.

Question on he fronts (drums also). I haven’t pulled the front drums off yet. Am I going to have enough room to remove/install the studs on the fronts once the drums are removed??
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Speaking with a friend who has previously installed wire wheels on an impala. He recommended gorilla lug nuts (I guess they have various shank lengths). I started looking into them, and it looks like Beadblaster may be onto something. I only need like another 1/4" to get enough threads engaged. These add that and a little more. Would be a heck of a lot easier than replacing all my studs.

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Old 04-17-2018, 09:10 PM   #22
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Found a tire shop with the right lug nut. Went home and tried it out. It formats great. Definitely engaging at least 8 threads. So Iíll have 24 new lug nuts tomorrow. Thanks for all the tips guys but these lug nuts saved me a ton of work.
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Re: How to remove and install new Lug Studs DIY

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When you can buy a U-joint press or a full upright Harbor Freight press with jack for $99, I don't think there's a lot of excuse for hammering them out or impacting them on.

I had all 32 to do, and installed them by hand with a u-joint press. Pushed them out with a upright press. I had to drill for larger studs at the same time, but that's another story.

Long story short, I don't think zipping them on with their nut is the hot ticket. It'll work in a pinch but might as well do it the "right" way if you're so inclined.
I never use an impact. I also do this with hub off vehicle, except for roadside emergency (where's the press when you need it?). I do things by hand so my well experienced hands can "feel" what I'm doing. Not sure how old you are Dave, but there is a perfectly good excuse for doing it the way I have been for about 45 years and learned from old mechanics that would put most anyone here to shame. The ones who can do magic with whatever is available to them, no matter how primitive. The perfectly good excuse I give is real simple, It works perfectly fine...never spun a stud in my life. I'm not offended, but I have a habit of setting things straight when they fall out of line. No offense intended either.
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Old 04-23-2018, 11:55 AM   #24
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Well, I spoke too soon. The new lug nuts I purchased (with the 1/4" shank on them), fit great.... but on the box it say's "don't count the threads in the shank towards minimum safety specs". So, I'm back to swapping studs. The fronts I'm going to take off and take them to my friend with a shop press. The backs, I think I can get off with a Clamp and a properly place socket. I'm hoping that works and I can replace them the same way. If manual doesn't work, I'll go either air hammer and impact gun or possibly big hammer.

I'm not removing the rear axles.
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You dont need to remove the axles. Just do like i said in post #2.
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