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Sadlerracing529 · 07-02-2018, 10:15 AM

I tried searching and couldn't find anything on my exact question.
I have a 1963 c10 fleetside long bed and the frame directly above the factory rear coils is rusted through and cracked on only the bottom lip of the frame. In the future I plan to drop in a full rear frame/suspension kit, something like the kp components, or no limit engineering kit. But for now would it be safe to weld in a brace, and would a c notch kit extend far enough forward to help support this and make this truck safe to drive?
The reason I ask is the truck is road worthy right now other than this frame crack, and I would like to drive this truck here and there until I start the actual restoration and mods in a couple years.

Lil Loafer · 07-02-2018, 06:17 PM

I would think that you could weld the crack and weld a plate over the rusted part as a temporary fix until you get a new frame as long as you are not hauling a lot of weight.

Sadlerracing529 · 07-02-2018, 06:42 PM

No hauling with this truck. It will be a full restoration slowly. Mainly waiting to start the big stuff until I move out of the house I'm currently at. This truck was my grandpas daily driver up until a year ago. It needs some love

**LostMy65** · 07-02-2018, 08:13 PM

Post some pics.

**raidmagic** · 07-02-2018, 08:22 PM

I've got a long bed I'm cutting up, you pay the freight and I'll cut the section of frame you need to patch it.

**Captainfab** · 07-02-2018, 11:40 PM

Depending on how bad the rust is, you could likely get away with plating just the bottom flange. Just be sure to clean off all the rust down to good metal so that you get a decent weld. And don't weld across the flange, just lengthwise.

Sadlerracing529 · 07-03-2018, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LostMy65

Post some pics.

I will get some pics up after work today

Sadlerracing529 · 07-03-2018, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captainfab

Depending on how bad the rust is, you could likely get away with plating just the bottom flange. Just be sure to clean off all the rust down to good metal so that you get a decent weld. And don't weld across the flange, just lengthwise.

Why weld only lengthwise and not across? Risk of distortion?

Sadlerracing529 · 07-03-2018, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raidmagic

I've got a long bed I'm cutting up, you pay the freight and I'll cut the section of frame you need to patch it.

I really appreciate your offer, I think just a small patch will do the trick, but I will keep your offer in mind if I need to get more serious with it

69 C10 LWB · 07-03-2018, 08:37 AM

Welding across the frame creates a spot where the frame can crack. The frames are designed to flex a little and the weld will not flex like the frame but will crack instead.

**Captainfab** · 07-03-2018, 11:39 PM

Just as 69 C10 LWB said, the frame can crack where you weld across.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sadlerracing529

Why weld only lengthwise and not across? Risk of distortion?

Sadlerracing529 · 07-04-2018, 10:41 AM

The top picture is the passenger side frame rail, bottom is the drivers side

**The Rocknrod** · 07-04-2018, 12:20 PM

What are those strap looking things on the rear end?

Sadlerracing529 · 07-04-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

What are those strap looking things on the rear end?

It has a weird half leaf spring on each side...some sort of vintage helper spring or something

Sadlerracing529 · 07-04-2018, 12:29 PM

Here is a pic of the weird spring set up

**Captainfab** · 07-04-2018, 11:51 PM

It looks like you're going to need to replace the lower brace of the crossmember as well.

Sadlerracing529 · 07-05-2018, 02:48 PM

The more I dig in to this truck, the more work it needs just to make it safe to drive. I think this project is going on the back burner until I get out of the house im currently in and have the space and time to just do it once, and do it right. Thanks for all the help on this one guys. Will just focus on building the motor for the truck for now since I have the space to do that. I will start an actual build thread for the truck once I tear into it

**Clyde65** · 07-05-2018, 07:35 PM

My suggestion is to see if you can find a long bed frame on CL or through the parts page here. I have seen plenty on the Dallas CL as well as Arizona and NM. It would be cheaper to have a trucker bring it to you than all the work your gonna need to “make it safe”

Good luck!!

https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pt...614573770.html

07-02-2018, 10:15 AM	#1
Sadlerracing529 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Sugar Creek, Wisconsin Posts: 28	Frame patch I tried searching and couldn't find anything on my exact question. I have a 1963 c10 fleetside long bed and the frame directly above the factory rear coils is rusted through and cracked on only the bottom lip of the frame. In the future I plan to drop in a full rear frame/suspension kit, something like the kp components, or no limit engineering kit. But for now would it be safe to weld in a brace, and would a c notch kit extend far enough forward to help support this and make this truck safe to drive? The reason I ask is the truck is road worthy right now other than this frame crack, and I would like to drive this truck here and there until I start the actual restoration and mods in a couple years.

07-02-2018, 06:17 PM	#2
Lil Loafer Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Post Falls, ID Posts: 52	Re: Frame patch I would think that you could weld the crack and weld a plate over the rusted part as a temporary fix until you get a new frame as long as you are not hauling a lot of weight.

07-02-2018, 06:42 PM	#3
Sadlerracing529 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Sugar Creek, Wisconsin Posts: 28	Re: Frame patch No hauling with this truck. It will be a full restoration slowly. Mainly waiting to start the big stuff until I move out of the house I'm currently at. This truck was my grandpas daily driver up until a year ago. It needs some love

07-02-2018, 08:13 PM	#4
LostMy65 But Found Her 25yrs Later! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 10,460	Re: Frame patch Post some pics. __________________ I lost my 65 - Found it 25 years later: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=426650 66 C20 Service Truck: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=428035

07-02-2018, 08:22 PM	#5
raidmagic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Tampa, Fl. Posts: 420	Re: Frame patch I've got a long bed I'm cutting up, you pay the freight and I'll cut the section of frame you need to patch it.

07-02-2018, 11:40 PM	#6
Captainfab 60-66 Nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Posts: 23,246	Re: Frame patch Depending on how bad the rust is, you could likely get away with plating just the bottom flange. Just be sure to clean off all the rust down to good metal so that you get a decent weld. And don't weld across the flange, just lengthwise. __________________ Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE

07-03-2018, 08:37 AM	#10
69 C10 LWB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: St Louis Mo Posts: 214	Re: Frame patch Welding across the frame creates a spot where the frame can crack. The frames are designed to flex a little and the weld will not flex like the frame but will crack instead.

07-04-2018, 10:41 AM	#12
Sadlerracing529 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Sugar Creek, Wisconsin Posts: 28	Re: Frame patch The top picture is the passenger side frame rail, bottom is the drivers side Attached Images

07-04-2018, 12:20 PM	#13
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: Frame patch What are those strap looking things on the rear end? __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

07-04-2018, 12:29 PM	#15
Sadlerracing529 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Sugar Creek, Wisconsin Posts: 28	Re: Frame patch Here is a pic of the weird spring set up Attached Images

07-04-2018, 11:51 PM	#16
Captainfab 60-66 Nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Posts: 23,246	Re: Frame patch It looks like you're going to need to replace the lower brace of the crossmember as well. __________________ Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE

07-05-2018, 02:48 PM	#17
Sadlerracing529 Registered User Join Date: May 2018 Location: Sugar Creek, Wisconsin Posts: 28	Re: Frame patch The more I dig in to this truck, the more work it needs just to make it safe to drive. I think this project is going on the back burner until I get out of the house im currently in and have the space and time to just do it once, and do it right. Thanks for all the help on this one guys. Will just focus on building the motor for the truck for now since I have the space to do that. I will start an actual build thread for the truck once I tear into it

07-05-2018, 07:35 PM	#18
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,539	Re: Frame patch My suggestion is to see if you can find a long bed frame on CL or through the parts page here. I have seen plenty on the Dallas CL as well as Arizona and NM. It would be cheaper to have a trucker bring it to you than all the work your gonna need to “make it safe” Good luck!! https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pt...614573770.html __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

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