Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

67ChevyRedneck · 09-09-2015, 11:04 PM

71/72 front suspension with 71/72 style (ball joint) 2.5" drop disc brake spindles from ECE.

The truck currently has +/-13" long front brake hoses. With the spindles dropped down the hose now wants to "rest" against the upper ball joint threads (on the bottom side) Not something I see going very well over time with suspension movement and turns. I could also just barely get the calipers back on without stretching the hose.

Does anyone make a longer 14-15" brake hose for these trucks? You have to order just about everything now a days and i want to get this right without having to order hoses 5 different times.

Thanks!

GASoline71 · 09-09-2015, 11:21 PM

Another option is to have hoses made to length. The local NAPA here makes hydraulic hoses of pretty much any kind with any fitting made to order. They can usually bang them out in a day.

Gary

Andy4639 · 09-09-2015, 11:35 PM

Jess here is who I ordered from. They will make them any size you need I'm sure.

67ChevyRedneck · 09-09-2015, 11:39 PM

How long did you have yours made to?

Andy4639 · 09-10-2015, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

How long did you have yours made to?

Can't remember right off but I do know it was 2" longer than stock. They are tight still though.

67ChevyRedneck · 09-10-2015, 08:13 AM

Wow, so maybe I need 16"?

I can't be the only one with this issue, it seems 5 people a day drop their trucks... has anyone found a stock "off the shelf" solution? I don't mind custom ordering something, but prefer off the shelf stuff.

cdowns · 09-10-2015, 08:43 AM

15 years ago I dropped my truck with 21/2 spindels and had no problems using the stock out of the box brake lines and had no problems for the 75000 miles that I put on the truck over a five year period

67ChevyRedneck · 09-10-2015, 09:25 AM

I wish I had the ones you had, but the stock off the shelf 71/72 hoses I have are rubbing on the upper ball joint threads that stick down.

I wonder if different aftermarket companies made different length hoses? If so, what was the "stock length" supposed to be?

**Boog** · 09-10-2015, 11:57 AM

Jesse i just went through this with mine. The otc hoses from oreillys ran right up against the upper ball joint mount. Since the caliper end of the hose is steel i just put it in the vise and bent them just enough to clear. I may have a pic or two. I just bent them down and to the rear very little to get enough clearance.

bs46488 · 09-10-2015, 12:48 PM

67ChevyRedneck,

I'm with you and searched for an OEM solution when my stock replacement lines were too short.

I think the stock lines are 12.25". I found lines for a 1974 Caprice that had the right threads and banjo that are 15.25". I have them on my truck now, but would say they are about 1" too long because they make contact with the spindle.

I am just getting my truck back on the road after an 8+ year sit from the PO. So this was just a solution to get the vehicle moving. I'm not sure this is my final decision.

**leddzepp** · 09-10-2015, 12:54 PM

According to txfirefighter you can use off the shelf hoses from a 71-72 C-20 as they are longer than the ones used on a C-10.

sduckworth13 · 09-10-2015, 01:14 PM

1971-1972 3/4 Ton or 1 ton brake hoses. I just did this swap the other day. Plenty of slack in the hose now.

67ChevyRedneck · 09-10-2015, 01:14 PM

Sweet! Now that's the kind of info I was looking for! The caprice option sounds good too.

You guys are all so awesome! I knew something would come up!

My search skills suck, but I thought it odd I didn't find any other threads on this... but when you use words like "drop spindle" you get 5,000 threads on anything and everything.

sduckworth13 · 09-10-2015, 01:20 PM

If you get the 71-72 3/4 ton hoses you can cut the nubs off and the you can position the hose so it gives you maximum length. It isn't necessary, but I thought it looked funny with the nubs not sitting in the giving slot on the caliper.

67ChevyRedneck · 09-10-2015, 01:32 PM

This is odd... none of the local chains carry C20 hoses, not napa, oreilly, adv, or the zone... not in stock OR online. Not even a part listed. All of em have C10 hoses...

Where is everyone else getting theirs from?

Also, Scott, in your pic above... is one hose for one side longer than the other? Or is that just an illusion with the pic?

sduckworth13 · 09-10-2015, 03:28 PM

The short one on the right is the old hose and the longer ones are the 3/4 ton. I ended up buying my hoses from LMC, they are about 30 minutes from me. None of the chain stores carry the hose. Surprised that NAPA doesn't cater to us old truck fanatics.

67ChevyRedneck · 09-10-2015, 03:30 PM

Yeah, that kinda sucks.

I meant that the one on the far right looks shorter than the one in the middle (the two new looking ones.)

**Boog** · 09-10-2015, 05:08 PM

These trucks are so old most parts houses dont stock a lot of parts for them anymore. But many can have them overnight. I bought both the front hoses and the rear one for mine at oreillys.

Andy4639 · 09-10-2015, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

Wow, so maybe I need 16"?

I can't be the only one with this issue, it seems 5 people a day drop their trucks... has anyone found a stock "off the shelf" solution? I don't mind custom ordering something, but prefer off the shelf stuff.

When you modify you have to be ready to think out side the normal box. You will have to get creative on some stuff and other stuff will fall right into place.
A good set of S/S brake lines should last you for ever. Buy them one time oh and while your at it get the back one to!

sduckworth13 · 09-10-2015, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

This is odd... none of the local chains carry C20 hoses, not napa, oreilly, adv, or the zone... not in stock OR online. Not even a part listed. All of em have C10 hoses...

Where is everyone else getting theirs from?

Also, Scott, in your pic above... is one hose for one side longer than the other? Or is that just an illusion with the pic?

I got to looking at that picture again and it does appear that the two new ones are different, but they are the exact same length.

clemsonteg · 09-10-2015, 08:01 PM

Picture of the problem? I just installed the lines and spindles from POL on my truck and everything seems long enough. Maybe it's a 67 thing, do you hardliners run on the backside or front side of the crossmember?

clemsonteg · 09-10-2015, 08:55 PM

Here are some pictures of mine. From top to bottom: wheel straight, full lock left, full lock right. I put a half twist in the line so that it will coil around and rest against the spindle. I don't have any binding or stretching issues. My POL lines are measuring around 15" in length.

67ChevyRedneck · 09-10-2015, 10:09 PM

I have a 71 suspension, cross member and all, under my 67. The hoses mount in front. Didn't take pics. I pulled it apart for the rebuild. So the problem may be isolated to 71+ trucks or guys with 71+ cross members.

sduckworth13 · 09-10-2015, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

I have a 71 suspension, cross member and all, under my 67. The hoses mount in front.

Same here also. I have a 1971 and the brake lines run in front of the crossmember. If you get those hoses you'll be set. I ran my stock hoses for awhile, but I wasn't comfortable knowing they were getting stretched every time I made a full turn of the wheel. Actually they were so tight that one of my hoses came off the right front caliper. Oddly I still had brakes, but was running manual brakes at the time.

clemsonteg · 09-11-2015, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

I have a 71 suspension, cross member and all, under my 67. The hoses mount in front. Didn't take pics. I pulled it apart for the rebuild. So the problem may be isolated to 71+ trucks or guys with 71+ cross members.

My hardlines and hoses mount on the back of the crossmember on my 70.

09-09-2015, 11:04 PM	#1
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? 71/72 front suspension with 71/72 style (ball joint) 2.5" drop disc brake spindles from ECE. The truck currently has +/-13" long front brake hoses. With the spindles dropped down the hose now wants to "rest" against the upper ball joint threads (on the bottom side) Not something I see going very well over time with suspension movement and turns. I could also just barely get the calipers back on without stretching the hose. Does anyone make a longer 14-15" brake hose for these trucks? You have to order just about everything now a days and i want to get this right without having to order hoses 5 different times. Thanks! __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

09-09-2015, 11:35 PM	#3
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,936	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? Jess here is who I ordered from. They will make them any size you need I'm sure. __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

09-09-2015, 11:39 PM	#4
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? How long did you have yours made to? __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

09-10-2015, 08:13 AM	#6
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? Wow, so maybe I need 16"? I can't be the only one with this issue, it seems 5 people a day drop their trucks... has anyone found a stock "off the shelf" solution? I don't mind custom ordering something, but prefer off the shelf stuff. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

09-10-2015, 08:43 AM	#7
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? 15 years ago I dropped my truck with 21/2 spindels and had no problems using the stock out of the box brake lines and had no problems for the 75000 miles that I put on the truck over a five year period __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

09-10-2015, 09:25 AM	#8
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? I wish I had the ones you had, but the stock off the shelf 71/72 hoses I have are rubbing on the upper ball joint threads that stick down. I wonder if different aftermarket companies made different length hoses? If so, what was the "stock length" supposed to be? __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

09-10-2015, 11:57 AM	#9
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 12,957	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? Jesse i just went through this with mine. The otc hoses from oreillys ran right up against the upper ball joint mount. Since the caliper end of the hose is steel i just put it in the vise and bent them just enough to clear. I may have a pic or two. I just bent them down and to the rear very little to get enough clearance. Attached Images __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross Last edited by Boog; 09-10-2015 at 12:09 PM.

09-10-2015, 12:48 PM	#10
bs46488 Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 547	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? 67ChevyRedneck, I'm with you and searched for an OEM solution when my stock replacement lines were too short. I think the stock lines are 12.25". I found lines for a 1974 Caprice that had the right threads and banjo that are 15.25". I have them on my truck now, but would say they are about 1" too long because they make contact with the spindle. I am just getting my truck back on the road after an 8+ year sit from the PO. So this was just a solution to get the vehicle moving. I'm not sure this is my final decision.

09-10-2015, 12:54 PM	#11
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 19,981	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? According to txfirefighter you can use off the shelf hoses from a 71-72 C-20 as they are longer than the ones used on a C-10. __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man

09-10-2015, 01:14 PM	#12
sduckworth13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 3,541	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? 1971-1972 3/4 Ton or 1 ton brake hoses. I just did this swap the other day. Plenty of slack in the hose now. Attached Images __________________ Scott

09-10-2015, 01:20 PM	#14
sduckworth13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 3,541	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? If you get the 71-72 3/4 ton hoses you can cut the nubs off and the you can position the hose so it gives you maximum length. It isn't necessary, but I thought it looked funny with the nubs not sitting in the giving slot on the caliper. __________________ Scott

09-10-2015, 01:32 PM	#15
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? This is odd... none of the local chains carry C20 hoses, not napa, oreilly, adv, or the zone... not in stock OR online. Not even a part listed. All of em have C10 hoses... Where is everyone else getting theirs from? Also, Scott, in your pic above... is one hose for one side longer than the other? Or is that just an illusion with the pic? __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications! Last edited by 67ChevyRedneck; 09-10-2015 at 01:53 PM.

09-10-2015, 03:28 PM	#16
sduckworth13 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 3,541	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? The short one on the right is the old hose and the longer ones are the 3/4 ton. I ended up buying my hoses from LMC, they are about 30 minutes from me. None of the chain stores carry the hose. Surprised that NAPA doesn't cater to us old truck fanatics. __________________ Scott

09-10-2015, 03:30 PM	#17
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? Yeah, that kinda sucks. I meant that the one on the far right looks shorter than the one in the middle (the two new looking ones.) __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

09-10-2015, 05:08 PM	#18
Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 12,957	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? These trucks are so old most parts houses dont stock a lot of parts for them anymore. But many can have them overnight. I bought both the front hoses and the rear one for mine at oreillys. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross



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09-10-2015, 08:01 PM	#21
clemsonteg Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Anderson,SC Posts: 953	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? Picture of the problem? I just installed the lines and spindles from POL on my truck and everything seems long enough. Maybe it's a 67 thing, do you hardliners run on the backside or front side of the crossmember?

09-10-2015, 08:55 PM	#22
clemsonteg Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Anderson,SC Posts: 953	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? Here are some pictures of mine. From top to bottom: wheel straight, full lock left, full lock right. I put a half twist in the line so that it will coil around and rest against the spindle. I don't have any binding or stretching issues. My POL lines are measuring around 15" in length.

09-10-2015, 10:09 PM	#23
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: Front brake hoses too short for 2.5" drop spindles? I have a 71 suspension, cross member and all, under my 67. The hoses mount in front. Didn't take pics. I pulled it apart for the rebuild. So the problem may be isolated to 71+ trucks or guys with 71+ cross members. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

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