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Old 11-16-2019, 02:58 PM   #1
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*Steering Wheel Centering*

My steering wheel is not straight. Got my wheel puller out and pulled the steering wheel to center it on the column. Looks like there is a gray plastic housing holding the spring for the horn it looks like. I was going to remove the gray plastic piece that holds the spring but I could not remove the metal piece on top. I tried prying it up with 2 screw drivers but it is tight. Does this piece require a puller?
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Old 11-16-2019, 03:19 PM   #2
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My steering wheel is not straight. Got my wheel puller out and pulled the steering wheel to center it on the column. Looks like there is a gray plastic housing holding the spring for the horn it looks like. I was going to remove the gray plastic piece that holds the spring but I could not remove the metal piece on top. I tried prying it up with 2 screw drivers but it is tight. Does this piece require a puller?

you do not remove the metal piece by prying, you push it down and remove a c clip, and if that sounds hard then you should be relieved to know that removing it will not center your steering wheel. that horn button pass through will not ever be placed in a different position.

to center the wheel, you have to adjust the tie rods. if your steering wheel is pointing left, you need to adjust BOTH tie rods an equal amount to the LEFT (think of it this way, if your steering wheel is pointing left and the truck is going straight, if you turn and hold the steering wheel straight the truck will turn right, so you adjust the tie rods equally to turn more left). adjusting both tie rods equally will not impact the centering ability of the truck when you let go of the wheel, only the centering of the steering wheel itself.

incidentally, if you push down on the grey piece and turn it counter clockwise, it will come right out. but again, thaat wont help you. that metal plate is there to protect the ignition lock from being broken and the truck being easily stolen.
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you do not remove the metal piece by prying, you push it down and remove a c clip, and if that sounds hard then you should be relieved to know that removing it will not center your steering wheel. that horn button pass through will not ever be placed in a different position.

to center the wheel, you have to adjust the tie rods. if your steering wheel is pointing left, you need to adjust BOTH tie rods an equal amount to the LEFT (think of it this way, if your steering wheel is pointing left and the truck is going straight, if you turn and hold the steering wheel straight the truck will turn right, so you adjust the tie rods equally to turn more left). adjusting both tie rods equally will not impact the centering ability of the truck when you let go of the wheel, only the centering of the steering wheel itself.

incidentally, if you push down on the grey piece and turn it counter clockwise, it will come right out. but again, thaat wont help you. that metal plate is there to protect the ignition lock from being broken and the truck being easily stolen.
Understood. I was thinking once the C clip and plate is removed I could just remove the plastic piece that holds the horn spring And then replace the metal plate. This way I could center my steering wheel. Is that not possible ?

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Old 11-16-2019, 05:28 PM   #4
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Understood. I was thinking once the C clip and plate is removed I could just remove the plastic piece that holds the horn spring And then replace the metal plate. This way I could center my steering wheel. Is that not possible ?
nope. because your turn signal cam is part of all of it, and you will end up canceling a left turn almost immediately and maybe never cancelling a right turn. which now that I think about it, may be an existing problem you have now.


edit: it may sound harder to adjust the tie rods, but compared to what you are doing, and losing the horn button, its actually much much easier. loosen the tie rod adjuster bolts, use channel locks, adjust both sides the same amount ( I go in half turns of the adjuster until I understand how much its moving) and then drive a bit to check (after tightening the adjusters). you will probably have more time and swearing in just removing that plate, they are really a pain to get off.

alternatively, depending on the steering box you are using, you MIGHT have a 30 spline on the steering box and you could pull the rag joint/u joint off at the box, turn it slightly, and put it back on. if its a stock AD steering box though, forget I mentioned it.
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nope. because your turn signal cam is part of all of it, and you will end up canceling a left turn almost immediately and maybe never cancelling a right turn. which now that I think about it, may be an existing problem you have now.


edit: it may sound harder to adjust the tie rods, but compared to what you are doing, and losing the horn button, its actually much much easier. loosen the tie rod adjuster bolts, use channel locks, adjust both sides the same amount ( I go in half turns of the adjuster until I understand how much its moving) and then drive a bit to check (after tightening the adjusters). you will probably have more time and swearing in just removing that plate, they are really a pain to get off.

alternatively, depending on the steering box you are using, you MIGHT have a 30 spline on the steering box and you could pull the rag joint/u joint off at the box, turn it slightly, and put it back on. if its a stock AD steering box though, forget I mentioned it.
Ok......there's more than one way to skin a cat. So...if the plastic plate is needed for the turn signals what if I pulled the plastic plate out, trimmed off the tower that holds the horn spring and then replaced the plastic piece.
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Ok......there's more than one way to skin a cat. So...if the plastic plate is needed for the turn signals what if I pulled the plastic plate out, trimmed off the tower that holds the horn spring and then replaced the plastic piece.
you seem determined to do it your way, I am going to stop short of saying it WONT work and just wish you luck. Good luck!
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you seem determined to do it your way, I am going to stop short of saying it WONT work and just wish you luck. Good luck!
I appreciate all your info.
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Old 11-16-2019, 08:14 PM   #8
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joedoh is tellin it straight, any adjustment you do up top will mess with your horn, cancelling turn signals and horn
if your truck needs an alignment they will straighten it at that time
if you already had an alignment, take it back to have them do it right
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First thing we need to know (I'm old I forget what folks have on their trucks) is what suspension and steering you have.

With independent you can do just as Joedoe said and center the wheel, screw the side that is toed out in and screw the side that is toed in out. EXACT EQUAL TURNS. I've done that thousands of times when I was aligning a front end and if you don't center the wheel in the process of alignment you haven't done a correct alignment.

If you have the I beam axle and don't have an adjustable drag link You will have to remove the wheel and center it and need the correct lock plate removing tool to do it. I used to be able to hold the plate down with my thumb and remove the snap ring but that was 40 years ago when I was about 4 times stronger than I am now.

This is the lock plate tool that I bought at Autozone or O'Reilly's when I couldn't find my good one last year. Basically you screw it on the column and then push the lock plate down by tightening the wing nut. Once you have the lock plate down far enough so that you can get to the snap ring you pry the snap ring off. They usually give you a fight and one of those O ring hooks from Harbor freight works reasonably well to pull it out and up out of the groove.

As they said though, that lock ring is designed so it only goes back in one place and you don't have a lot of wiggle room with the plastic piece that is the signal canceling and horn connection piece. I went out and looked for one of my old clunker tilts but think I hauled them all for scrap a while back. I am not sure if you can file out a tooth on the inside so you can move the plate a notch. I'm not sure how much you can elongate the hole that the turn signal connector comes though either but that might be a possility.
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:29 PM   #10
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I'm not getting this. The steering shaft is splined; why can't he just put the steering wheel back on a couple of splines clockwise? Everything will be the same but the wheel spokes will now be centered, no?
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I'm not getting this. The steering shaft is splined; why can't he just put the steering wheel back on a couple of splines clockwise? Everything will be the same but the wheel spokes will now be centered, no?
because the hole for the horn stub passes through the wheel in an exact spot, and the cancelling cam for the turn signals is clocked from there too. if you turn the wheel and reinstall the stub will be smashed against the bottom of it.

he wants to remove the horn stub and turn signal cancelling correctly isnt important.
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Maybe I should have explained a little more of what I have from the beginning. It's a 1949 Chevy Truck with a 1991 S10 front clip. The steering column is out of an 84 Chevy truck. The horn does not work. I have a button for an Ahooga Horn. I was wondering if the plastic tower that passes through the steering wheel for the horn contact could just be cut off but not eliminating the gray plastic plate. This would allow the steering wheel to be moved over a few splines.
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just fix it by correcting the alignment like every one recommends. lots less work and you get a correct alignment.
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just fix it by correcting the alignment like every one recommends. lots less work and you get a correct alignment.
I have an appointment for an alignment on Tuesday. We'll see how it turns out. Thanks guys.
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Make sure that there is a notation on the work order that the steering wheel needs to be centered. Don't let them BS you with the nonsense that it can't be done as it is extremely simple and if they are paying attention they can do it while adjusting the toe in. That was one thing I was hard core on when I was dong alignments as people don't like crooked steering wheels.

With that front end it is a simple process.
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because the hole for the horn stub passes through the wheel in an exact spot, and the cancelling cam for the turn signals is clocked from there too. if you turn the wheel and reinstall the stub will be smashed against the bottom of it.
Just another reason why those ugly S10 steering wheels should never be installed in an AD truck ;-)
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Just another reason why those ugly S10 steering wheels should never be installed in an AD truck ;-)
the horn stub passing through the original steering wheel has been a thing since the splined steering hub came into use, in 1947 in fact.



it started at 12 o clock, in the 60s it moved to 1:30, and on modern trucks its been at about 10:30. I couldnt put a 60s impala wheel on a late model column without drilling a new hole for it. still worth it to have the horn work.


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Just another reason why those ugly S10 steering wheels should never be installed in an AD truck ;-)
On that column it is going to be the same thing with any other wheel you install be it oem style or aftermarket. The adjustment has to be made in the steering linkage. That's a simple adjustment and any alignment mechanic worth their salt can look at how far the wheels is off and know how many turns they need to make.
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Thanks for the tip on clocking the steering wheel during alignment guys.
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