63 Fleetside Chevy C10 build

[diablo03]

Tried the gas in the carb, nothing with that.

Fan does not seem to budge.

That would make it a starter problem right?
Posted via Mobile Device

[vinco]

Yep, that would make it a starting system problem, OR... Have you tried turning the engine over by hand? can you turn it any?

Once you determine that you can, in fact turn it by hand, then go through the normal steps: Is the battery good and charged up? Does it have any effect on the rest of the electrical system when you turn the ignition switch to start? Go buy a remote start switch setup and see if it will crank over with that. If not, then bad starter or solenoid. If so, then maybe the ignition switch is bad. On my '64, I found that a PO had wired in a start button, and that the orig. switch does not start the truck.

[diablo03]

The ignition switch does make the starter make a noise....and a while ago it tried to turn over. but since then it seems to have gone backwards to only the starter making noise.....so I think the starter may have seized....

any recommendations about how to go about testing a starter from these engines?

I can pull it if that would make it easier to isolate it to the starter...

[Jeff La]

It sounded to me like the solenoid was engaging but the starter wasn't turning over. Make sure you have a fully charged battery(probably be good to have it load tested), check all connections on the battery and starter and try again.

[diablo03]

Originally Posted by Jeff La

It sounded to me like the solenoid was engaging but the starter wasn't turning over. Make sure you have a fully charged battery(probably be good to have it load tested), check all connections on the battery and starter and try again.

Could the flywheel be stopping it for any reason? I have no idea the condition of the transmission....
Posted via Mobile Device

[TJ's Chevy]

Originally Posted by diablo03

The ignition switch does make the starter make a noise....and a while ago it tried to turn over. but since then it seems to have gone backwards to only the starter making noise.....so I think the starter may have seized....

any recommendations about how to go about testing a starter from these engines?

I can pull it if that would make it easier to isolate it to the starter...

There are three suds on the starter. The left one holds the coil wire, the middle holds the battery cable, and the right one hold the ignition switch wire. Make sure you have a fully charged battery. With the key on take a screw driver and touch the middle stud of the starter and touch the right stud also. Doing so will put a direct 12 volts to the starter to engage it. So touch the middle and right stud at the same time and if it cranks you know you have and electrical problem in the ignition switch and if it doesn't you probably have a bad starter, which can get rebuilt or you can get a new one from napa. Is that a 250 or a 235?

[TJ's Chevy]

It looks like you have a 292 with power steering. Is that factory?

[diablo03]

Originally Posted by T.J. MCCAULEY

It looks like you have a 292 with power steering. Is that factory?

Im pretty sure it is...I know the 292 came with it...and I think the power steering is factory.

The engine code puts the 292 as a 63

I will try the starter test on Sat.
Posted via Mobile Device

[TJ's Chevy]

Originally Posted by diablo03

Im pretty sure it is...I know the 292 came with it...and I think the power steering is factory.

The engine code puts the 292 as a 63

I will try the starter test on Sat.
Posted via Mobile Device

Watched the video and I wonder if your fly wheel is stripped or if your starter gear is stripped or it could be possible that the fly wheel and starter gear are gammed. I would pull the starter off( only three 9/16 bolts) and see if something is stripped or jammed, cause it sounds like the starter is engaging but is grinding on something.

[diablo03]

Thanks for the tips....got called into work yesterday so no time to do any work on the truck.

This week I have a half day on wed I hope to get things done, and two days the following week...

Moved most of the stuff out of the bed so I can pull that off when i get some help
Posted via Mobile Device

[diablo03]

Also found out the new battery I bought is only at 12.15v, so I have that charging today...wed we will see if i can start her
Posted via Mobile Device

[diablo03]

So after a half days worth of work.....she lives!!! Got the truck started. haven't moved anywhere yet as it dies once you hit the gas, but it will run and idle.

Here's the proof

http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/fy...c97c0.mp4.html

Also cleaned up the engine a bit so it's cleaner than it was



Now to tackle some other things... need to figure out a gas tank for this thing....currently the gas tank is a gas can under the truck (pictured below)

What are the best options for an under bed tank? something easy to install would be best at this point....looking at suggestions....if i get a different style do i need a vented or unvented tank?

I might turn this into a flat bed for a while, in which case I might go for the keg tank look, or i might go with the under bed between the rails option....just don't think i want it in the cab.

after i get this small smoke thing under control, and figure out the idle/gas issue I'll move on to the transmission and then figure out how to install the seats that i need to finish redoing.




also tried my hand at bending fuel line today...think it could have gone better...

[TJ's Chevy]

Originally Posted by diablo03

So after a half days worth of work.....she lives!!! Got the truck started. haven't moved anywhere yet as it dies once you hit the gas, but it will run and idle.

Here's the proof

http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/fy...c97c0.mp4.html

Also cleaned up the engine a bit so it's cleaner than it was



Now to tackle some other things... need to figure out a gas tank for this thing....currently the gas tank is a gas can under the truck (pictured below)

What are the best options for an under bed tank? something easy to install would be best at this point....looking at suggestions....if i get a different style do i need a vented or unvented tank?

I might turn this into a flat bed for a while, in which case I might go for the keg tank look, or i might go with the under bed between the rails option....just don't think i want it in the cab.

after i get this small smoke thing under control, and figure out the idle/gas issue I'll move on to the transmission and then figure out how to install the seats that i need to finish redoing.




also tried my hand at bending fuel line today...think it could have gone better...

If it dies when you rev it it means that you have a vacuum leak. Probably would be a good idea to rebuild your carb and throw in a new set of gaskets and it would clear right up. Are you gonna restore that motor or put in a v8? I say keep the six, they are fun to hotrod or keep stock.

[diablo03]

Plan on keeping this motor and probably this transmission in it. cleaned the carb out and let it idle for a bit longer and it seems to have fixed itself. I'm not sure the last time this motor ran on it's own...

stupid question but if the alternator is not working would the truck run?

Reason I say this is because the battery keeps dying.....i can jump the truck to get it going but in it idleing today for a while it drained the battery from 12.4v to 11.2v...

and while it is running I only get about 11.5v....which is a little south of the 14ish i should be at while running....ideas...suggestions?

[TJ's Chevy]

Originally Posted by diablo03

Plan on keeping this motor and probably this transmission in it. cleaned the carb out and let it idle for a bit longer and it seems to have fixed itself. I'm not sure the last time this motor ran on it's own...

stupid question but if the alternator is not working would the truck run?

Reason I say this is because the battery keeps dying.....i can jump the truck to get it going but in it idleing today for a while it drained the battery from 12.4v to 11.2v...

and while it is running I only get about 11.5v....which is a little south of the 14ish i should be at while running....ideas...suggestions?

Yes, Your best bet would be to buy a new one wire alternator. The factory one is externally regulated. Lots of time its the external regulator that is causing the problems. I would buy a 100 amp one wire alternator. And then run a 4 gauge wire straight to the battery. I did this on mine and it keeps the battery between 14-15 volts. You can put a test light on the tip of the alternator stud to see if it is putting out a charge and if so then you have a bad voltage regulator. If you plan to run an hei it would be better to run a one wire alternator, but if you are wanting to keep it stock then I would buy a new 60 amp externally regulated alternator and a new external regulator( I have a brand new regulator you can have if you want it). Its not uncommon to have a bad voltage regulator. I'll send you a private message picture of the one wire alternator that I have and were I routed the wire. Hope this helped. T.J.

[TJ's Chevy]

I have a behind the seat tank you can have also. But I wouldn't recommend running it for too long cause the bottom is rusty but not rusted through. It would be fine for know so you could drive it. You can get new tanks from LMC or Classic Parts of America or The truck shop.

[diablo03]

Originally Posted by T.J. MCCAULEY

I have a behind the seat tank you can have also. But I wouldn't recommend running it for too long cause the bottom is rusty but not rusted through. It would be fine for know so you could drive it. You can get new tanks from LMC or Classic Parts of America or The truck shop.

The tank I have has a leak in it...are you saying that if I buy a new in cab one it will leak soon too? because my cab corners are rusted out? I do plan on patching them soon...just want it to be mechanically running first.

Originally Posted by T.J. MCCAULEY

Yes, Your best bet would be to buy a new one wire alternator. The factory one is externally regulated. Lots of time its the external regulator that is causing the problems. I would buy a 100 amp one wire alternator. And then run a 4 gauge wire straight to the battery. I did this on mine and it keeps the battery between 14-15 volts. You can put a test light on the tip of the alternator stud to see if it is putting out a charge and if so then you have a bad voltage regulator. If you plan to run an hei it would be better to run a one wire alternator, but if you are wanting to keep it stock then I would buy a new 60 amp externally regulated alternator and a new external regulator( I have a brand new regulator you can have if you want it). Its not uncommon to have a bad voltage regulator. I'll send you a private message picture of the one wire alternator that I have and were I routed the wire. Hope this helped. T.J.

I do plan on keeping it generally stock, but if i change to the higher amp one wire alternator what do i do with the extra wires that are currently coming off of the alternator.....is that the wires to the external regulator?

Where can I find a one wire that will bolt up?

[TJ's Chevy]

The tank I have is as old as the truck, but never had fuel in it for many years. If you buy a new one it won't leak or rust for a long time, The fuller you keep the tank the better, meaning if you keep the tank full all the time you are less likely to have rust issues. When doing a one wire set up all you do is disconnect the wires from the old alternator and put the new one in and do a direct single wire run to the battery. Let me go out real quick and tale some picture of my set up so I can better show you. I'll send you a Private message cause the board won't let me upload pictures.

[TJ's Chevy]

I sent a pm. But no go...I am sick of not being able to post pictures!

[diablo03]

Originally Posted by T.J. MCCAULEY

I sent a pm. But no go...I am sick of not being able to post pictures!

how come you cant't post pics....I upload them to photobucket and link them....

I was looking at it and if you look at the picture closely, you notice that the red wire goes straight to the engine block and the black wire goes to the starter.....sounds a little backwards to me....

this could also be the problem of not charging.....

now i just wonder what all i fried by having the battery installed backwards in the first place.

battery is being charged as we speak

also got the accelerator problem fixed, i noticed that the spring had come out in the engine compartment when i was messing with stuff there. accelerator fixed, now with the new battery charge, i might be able to get this moving this afternoon......if so, i'll run it over to autozone to get the charging system tested.

[TJ's Chevy]

Originally Posted by diablo03

how come you cant't post pics....I upload them to photobucket and link them....

I was looking at it and if you look at the picture closely, you notice that the red wire goes straight to the engine block and the black wire goes to the starter.....sounds a little backwards to me....

this could also be the problem of not charging.....

now i just wonder what all i fried by having the battery installed backwards in the first place.

battery is being charged as we speak

also got the accelerator problem fixed, i noticed that the spring had come out in the engine compartment when i was messing with stuff there. accelerator fixed, now with the new battery charge, i might be able to get this moving this afternoon......if so, i'll run it over to autozone to get the charging system tested.

I tried photo bucket, but sense I am not a computer freak I am lucky I can even reply to you! The wire on the right side of your alternator is the charging wire. Did you get my pm? I've put the battery in backward before and it didn't hurt anything at least I don't think! The board has been doing maintenance and they haven't been letting many members upload pictures.

[diablo03]

I got the PM but I couldn't open it, it would give me an error everytime I tried.....but I wonder if I switch the battery around to the right way it might just magically work???

[TJ's Chevy]

Originally Posted by diablo03

I got the PM but I couldn't open it, it would give me an error everytime I tried.....but I wonder if I switch the battery around to the right way it might just magically work???

If you send me your e-mail I can send you some pictures of the alternator that way. Battery should work fine when its hooked up right....at least I thnk it should.....

[diablo03]

Ok, switched the battery around....and it ran, my 14 month old ran away with my voltmeter, so i don't know if the alternator is working, but it made it's first motion on it's own.

I drove down the street and back.

hiccups: ran over a jackstand (whoops) which destroyed said jackstand, the temp tank i hand hanging under the truck..pouring a gallon of gasoline all over my driveway and blew out the rear tire.

all in all through it was a successful run, 1st 2nd and reverse definitely work.....makes a little noise that i will figure out later when i'm not spraying gas everywhere....

next on the agenda:

new gas tank....(rear install...i hate the smell of gas)
fix a bit of the rust up front
patch cab
install seats (cover seats also)
clean interior
new rear tire (doh!)
enjoy driving

i also need to figure out the power steering and get the a/c fixed power brakes might come too...power windows will for sure

will let you guys know about the alternator when i find out where my son hid the voltmeter

[TJ's Chevy]

Originally Posted by diablo03

Ok, switched the battery around....and it ran, my 14 month old ran away with my voltmeter, so i don't know if the alternator is working, but it made it's first motion on it's own.

I drove down the street and back.

hiccups: ran over a jackstand (whoops) which destroyed said jackstand, the temp tank i hand hanging under the truck..pouring a gallon of gasoline all over my driveway and blew out the rear tire.

all in all through it was a successful run, 1st 2nd and reverse definitely work.....makes a little noise that i will figure out later when i'm not spraying gas everywhere....

next on the agenda:

new gas tank....(rear install...i hate the smell of gas)
fix a bit of the rust up front
patch cab
install seats (cover seats also)
clean interior
new rear tire (doh!)
enjoy driving

i also need to figure out the power steering and get the a/c fixed power brakes might come too...power windows will for sure

will let you guys know about the alternator when i find out where my son hid the voltmeter

The tranny is gonna make gear grinding noises when you shift for awhile probably cause its been sitting for awhile, mine used to do that and know its shifts just fine since i've been driving it. Any luck on a fuel tank? How about the alternator?