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Old 07-23-2016, 02:05 PM   #26
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The trail blazer exhaust manifolds are here. I had the trim a corner off the transmission to clear it on the driver side. They really tuck in close.




I haven't tried to set it in the truck yet. I'll need some help around here to do that.

Last night I pulled out the old gas tanks. Still need to pull out the old fuel lines and stuff. I think the donor truck poly gas tank may fit. Length and width are very close but it's about 5" taller.


My helpers. Momma was gone for the night so they followed me around.


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Been busy but the engine isn't any closer to going in. So what have I been up to? Sold the big 4wd crewcab a couple weeks ago. Got engaged. Waiting for my old house in town to close, which has been delayed twice. And parting out the 1990 suburban for parts to be used on this truck (electronic speedo helps a bunch). Once I get the old house sold I'll have some money for buying what I need to fire the engine. The plan (subject to change) is that we get the truck running again this fall. Then the cab will be removed from the frame and set on blocks in the garage for body repairs. The truck is too long to work around in the garage. Once it's in primer we'll get it back on the frame and take the bed off and in the shop for body work. If all goes well, paint next spring/summer and roadtrip it somewhere. Hot Rod Power Tour possibly, if it's ready by then.
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Good workin'! Didn't know you had this thread going. Hope the old house closes soon for ya.
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This thread doesn't have much going on yet. House is supposed to close on the 14th. Fingers crossed. Once it does I'll probably buy the harness I need and get the ECU programmed and do what needs done to fire this thing up.
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As usual, everything is taking longer than I ever expected, but am never surprised by. Since the last post, my old house finally was officially sold. I got married. Since I finally got out from under the second house payment I bought enough steel to do the roofs on all 3 garages and finished doing that a couple weeks ago. Started getting house windows replaced even though winter finally decided to make an entrance. In a big way too. I finished parting out the 90 burb and traded the empty husk for a vortec cylinder head (I bought the 2nd one).

And another bit of big news... The previous owner of this place finally finished removing all of his stuff, so as of 12/4/16 everything that is on the property is mine. No more sharing.

As you can imagine, there wasn't much time for car/truck stuff. But I did add to my collection of miscellaneous vehicular projects in the midst of this hurricane of activity. A guy I used to work with needed to clean out one of his sheds and I ended up with a 1979 kawasaki KZ1300, 1983 Datsun 280zx, 1969 (I think) Honda 90, a car dolly and then a 2000 Jeep Cherokee. The last one was his wifes daily and had a good title. The rest of it will take me a couple months to get registered.

As for this project, I had been accumulating the parts to mount the engine and connect it to the truck controls, but mainly it sat in front of the garage. With a winter storm brewing and me being tired of being a part time carpenter, the boy and I dropped the engine/tranny into the truck. It fit, but I have to work on the mount alignment and nothing is connected to it.



Then I took my 71 out of the 1 car garage that has been its home the past year and moved it to the machine shed. We did a quick clean out of some of the junk in that garage so the 22' behemoth would fit inside. We used the plow truck to pull and push the farm truck into the garage for the first time in only God knows how long.


It's not ideal, but it fits and I have room to work on it. That garage has power and lights but no heat or insulation. I'm attempting to change that. I bought a heater the other day. I still need to get a propane tank moved to this garage and hooked up, and I ordered a blower fan for it to help. If it can't keep up like this I'll have to get some insulation in there.


I do have a propane fired bullet heater that works alright too. I bought a couple more lights to brighten the place up. I bought a shelf/workbench to use in there. This will be better than many people have to work with or in. Hopefully I'll get the time to do something more than a quarterly update. I still want to drive it and have it painted by early summer.
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Wow hgs, I feel like I lived half a lifetime in your last few posts. Good work man. New wife, new job, new house, new roofs, new trucks, new ducks, and a few other new projects. Same dog? Cool gig you got! I look forward to watching your truck project come together along with anything else you're working on. Hope you update us on it all. I'm intrigued by the 47 Olds. Great angle on it in the picture you took. I don't know Olds well til the 1960s, but I'm a fan. Cool building it's in too. I like the way the building it's in shows the ribs and sheathing.
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Wow hgs, I feel like I lived half a lifetime in your last few posts. Good work man. New wife, new job, new house, new roofs, new trucks, new ducks, and a few other new projects. Same dog? Cool gig you got! I look forward to watching your truck project come together along with anything else you're working on. Hope you update us on it all. I'm intrigued by the 47 Olds. Great angle on it in the picture you took. I don't know Olds well til the 1960s, but I'm a fan. Cool building it's in too. I like the way the building it's in shows the ribs and sheathing.
Thanks for looking and the comments. I was never really a fan of the old fat fender cars until I came across that Olds. ICON just did a rebuild of a 46 Olds, same body style and it was at SEMA. You should check it out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwh8...&feature=share

Mine is stored at my new step sons place. It is a cool shed. I'll probably drag it home next summer.

This is where I found it...
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I eventually got the heater hooked up to the propane tank and got it fired up. I ordered a little fan that fits the back of the heater but it really doesn't do much. I would have been money ahead just setting a small box fan on top of the heater. But it does work. The garage isn't insulated and the main door was crap but it still managed to warm it up with outside temps around zero.

To improve things the boy and I stapled a layer of plastic to the bottom of the rafters. It keeps the heat down lower. Cheap and effective.




I also found a great deal on a really nice insulated garage door on craigslist. We painted it to match the garage and I got it installed a couple weeks ago.


And I did put a box fan on top of the freezer in there to circulate the air. Makes a big difference. So now we can work in relative comfort. My son pulled the passenger side doors off last week. Yesterday I pulled out the seats and seatbelts on that side and lifted the carpet out of the way. The rear door opening looks alright. Just needs the outer rocker, unless we find something after we cut that out. The front replacement rocker I picked up will work good to patch the rear door rocker so that eases my concern for that.


The front rocker and floor were a bit worse. Looks like I'll have to do the inner and outer rocker and a little bit of floor under the seat by the door.




I started working on the engine mounts but called it a day before I really completed anything with those.

The other night I met up with another board member I've become good friends with. We have been batting around the idea of a road trip for a while now. The subject came up again. We want to go out west with a classic truck. He's got a 68 stepper and a late 80's suburban. I've got my 71 which will have a new engine in the spring, but this is the one I'd like to take. We don't really care if it's finished completely as long as it's running dependably. So I want to keep working on it and get it going by spring. If we can get the rust on the cab done there isn't much other rust to fix. The replacement doors might need a little work. I have good fenders and a hood for it. So maybe just get it in primer and go. It's still a ton of work though, so we could end up taking our pickups. No sweat.

So mentioned going to Bonneville for speedweek and I'd love to, but it's in August and it's usually pretty busy around here then. So he mentioned a microbrew tour. My son just turned 21 also. I found a name for the farm truck when he brought this up.

Meet the Brewcab.

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I started out by upgrading the lighting in the garage a bit. Makes a huge difference.


Today I wanted to get the motor mounts figured out. There was a significant amount of misalignment. I tried loosening everything up from the frame towers to the adapter plates but there wasn't enough give. I double checked the replacement mounts part numbers and they are the same from BBC to SBC. So I started looking at the frame towers and the bracket to the adapter plates. I compared them with the ones on my 76 plow truck and they are different, but that is also a 4x4. So I found a set of mounts taken from the suburban 350 and compared them to the ones off the BBC. Found the culprit...


The holes from the BBC bracket are about 3/8" further from the engine. The adapter plates are designed for SBC mounts. I didn't know until today they were different. Also, the center section of that bracket is punched out a bit and interferes with the adapter plates, so I had to cut the centers out of the plates. I'm sure they are still plenty strong.

So anyway, the motor mounts are in and I just need to tighten all the bolts back up. I need to get the tranny mount in and after that I can start hooking up everything else.

The boy got the driver side doors off and we got a closer look at the rockers on the other side. Looks worse on the front rocker but it's basically the same amount of work. I told him to start cutting and I'll pick up the patch panels.

Front...


Rear...
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Thanks for looking and the comments. I was never really a fan of the old fat fender cars until I came across that Olds. ICON just did a rebuild of a 46 Olds, same body style and it was at SEMA. You should check it out...


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I'm loving the olds.
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It's 62 degrees in there! Nice!
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Nice work on the garage and I'm glad things are getting back on track for you. Maybe I can meet up with you on Power Tour this year. I'm wanting to take my 40, but if that project turns to mush, I'll take the 72.
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Thanks, so much to do out here yet. Got a building planner coming tonight to help me design a porch. I'm a glutton for punishment.

I don't know if I'll do any of power tour this year. Might just go to the beginning to meet up with some people, but who knows. I'll probably take my 71 if I go to that.
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Thanks for looking and the comments. I was never really a fan of the old fat fender cars until I came across that Olds. ICON just did a rebuild of a 46 Olds, same body style and it was at SEMA. You should check it out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwh8...&feature=share

Mine is stored at my new step sons place. It is a cool shed. I'll probably drag it home next summer.

This is where I found it...
Thanks! Thoroughly enjoyed the video on the ICON build.
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Not a lot of progress the past couple days. I've been distracted with some new toys. Got a new portable welding table...


Got a new saw for all my fancy trim work on the house.




As for the truck, I got the transmission mount bolted up. I didn't need to move the crossmember. I just drilled a new hole. It's not directly centered in the crossmember. It's back about an inch but I really don't think it'll be a problem.


You can see that the driveshaft is looking a little too long, and I had hoped it wouldn't but there it is.


I have a couple options on the driveshaft and won't really be able to do anything until the truck is lowered. I'm planning about a 4-5" drop in the rear. There is a shackle and hanger kit for a 4" drop plus I plan on removing a leaf or two from the spring pack. That will help smooth out the ride a bit and drop it a little more.

Once that's done I'll see where the axle is sitting in the wheelwell. I may need to slide the axle back an inch or so, which will maybe take care of the driveshaft length issue. If that works all I have to do is slide back or redrill the crossmember for the hanger bearing.
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I was trying to figure out how I was going to build the fuel system for this truck. I had the tank, pump and hoses from the donor truck, which would have been awesome to use. While the tank is similar in length and width, it is about 4-1/2" taller, which would make it hang down under the bed too far, so that idea was scrapped.


The original 16 gallon tank is a bit small and was corroded pretty bad on the outside. I had a 20 gallon saddle tank and I could use it as is with an inline fuel pump, but it would be kinda noisy and it's not baffled inside to keep fuel around the pick up tube, which isn't a huge problem when you're running a carb with float bowls to hold fuel, but is a problem with EFI.

So I'm going with a new tank for an 87 but will get an aftermarket pump for the 60 psi needed for the LS. BTW, the TBI systems run at around 12 psi so the stock 87 style pump wouldn't work. It bothered me to not use parts I already had though, so I came up with a plan to use the old saddle tank as a reserve tank. The low pressure electric fuel pump that used to fill the carb will now be used as a transfer pump to the main tank. So if fuel is getting low and I don't feel like stopping I can flip a switch and pump gas from the passenger side to the driver side tanks. I could put a full dual tank set up but that would cost quite a bit more to do and isn't really needed.

Aux fuel tank...


One of yesterday projects was taking out broken exhaust manifold bolts. One was sticking out far enough to get a vise grips on it and was easy to pull. The other was broke off about an 1/8" inside the head and has been a tough mother to fix. I tried welding a nut, but it wasn't working. These are fairly small diameter and the weld just kept jumping to the side and not sticking to the bolt. Then I tried drilling but wasn't getting the center. So I used the manifold as a guide, but the holes are much larger diameter than the bolts so you can't use it as a guide as is. I found a 7/16" bolt that fits the manifold hole tight, cut off a piece and drilled that centered to use as a guide.


Still not done though. It's kind of a PITA because you have to drill the plug out to size for each stage then drill the head. As the bits get bigger, they also get longer and even with my angle drill head adapter thingy I'm running out of room. You may be asking why I didn't fix this BEFORE putting the engine in and that is what I keep asking myself while dicking around with this.

Anyway, I'll probably have to drill and tap it out to the next bigger size.

While I was doing that, the boy started doing rust repair. I think he was hesitant because he doesn't have much experience. Went to school and is working in a shop but not really cutting and welding much. So I'm guiding him from my vast experience (only slightly more than his ).

The front rocker is cut out...


The rear is cut out and the patch is starting to get fit into place...


I should be picking up the new tank this week. I'll hopefully get the broken bolt fixed tonight, but might have to pull the engine at least part way out to fix it, or cut off a drill bit shorter. I need to get some inner rocker patch panels and another pair of outers.

Next unsolved mystery is the AC pump. I have a pump but no bracket. And from what I've read the truck bracket probably wouldn't work anyway.
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It's been a couple weeks since I had any progress. I've been working on the house. The roofing contractor finally got started and I finished getting my new windows installed. Didn't do much on this over the weekend but I did get the broken bolt drilled out of the head finally. The drill bits I had weren't getting the job done, so I did a little research and found good info on cobalt drill bits. I picked one up to try out and it worked great. So good I'm going to get a whole set of those bad boys.

I drilled it out and tapped it to the size of a sbc header bolt, since I had one laying around and it's slightly bigger than the original bolts for this engine.


I've been looking for a set of 2000 and up truck/SUV seats with the seat belt built into it to use in the front. If I get a nice set of tan ones I'll leave them as is. If not, I'll maybe get seat covers. Something like these...


I've got to order some more parts, but in the mean time I'll work on the fuel system and getting the new tranny mount installed. The old one won't tighten up, the bolt just spins in the mount.
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Made some progress yesterday. I got the new valve cover gaskets installed. Then got the water temp adapter installed.


I have the oil pressure adapter also, but need a special socket to get the factory one out, so it'll have to wait a bit. I could also install the oil pressure sending unit down by the oil filter, but I'll do it the other way.

So instead I worked on the shifter linkage. I bought the Lokar one, same as what I have on my 71 C-10. It was rubbing on a pinch weld on the firewall. First I used a flapper disc on my angle grinder to cut that back. And I put a slight bend in the shifter rod. And I also found a longer bolt for where it mounts to the column and used a nut as a spacer. Just an extra 1/4" helped a lot.


No real issues on the bottom end. But I did need to change the position of the transmission arm a bit. The instructions said to mount that at the 8:00 position but when I had it there it didn't want to shift into the lowest gear. So mine is set closer to 9:00. If this was a non-OD tranny it probably would have been ok at 8:00.




It'll need to be detached when I replace the tranny mount and likely need more adjustment once I actually get this pig running, but it's in and works.

My son worked on the right rear rocker patch and said he's got it fit up and ready to weld in. So he can start on the right front inner rocker next. I'll probably keep working on the underside stuff. Need to get the fuel system together and mounted, replace the tranny mount, finish installing the torque converter bolts, and I have tranny cooler line adapters to install.
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Baby steps fellas. With my previous builds I found that any progress is good no matter how small. All the little steps eventually get the entire job done.

Got the new fuel pump on the new sending unit and installed in the new tank. I just didn't feel like laying underneath it tonight. I'll have to figure out how to get the fuel lines routed and connected to the sending unit. Will probably have to buy a few things to get it all together, but that's expected.

I think I might go spend a pile of money tomorrow and get my wire harness ordered.
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Yes he is. Gotta build up his experience and confidence. Once he get's this stuff done he'll be doing the same to his little stepper.

Last night I got the oil pressure sending unit from the 90 burb on and bolted down the intake manifold. I still need to get it torqued correctly. Don't let me forget.


Then I started getting the power steering set up figured out. I've got the old pump from the 454 still connected to the hoses. I've got the donor truck pump. Standard vs metric and which way do I want to go? I had a strong feeling the the mounting holes in both pumps would be the same and they are...


The problem I ran into using the old pump is the direction of the hose connections. I couldn't get it into position without kinking the hoses. I tried bending the supply line steel tubing with moderate success (broke my tube bender) but it just wasn't going to be enough. Look at this crazy design...


So I cut off the U bend and re-flared it...


So now the pump sits in the mount just fine. The pulley from the newer pump should work. I need to find some longer pump mount bolts though because the standard ones are a little shorter than the metric ones due to the extra thickness of that big aluminum mount.




I'm going to pick up a couple small 90* elbows for the return lines and some new hose. Ideally I'd replace the supply hose also but I'm going to have to find the right application or re-flare another brand new one.

I'm not sure what I'll do today, but I'll get something done. I did order the wire harness yesterday.
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Yesterday I finished the power steering pump stuff, except for installing the pulley. I picked up some hose to redo the return lines. I wanted to get a pair of 90* elbows but they are fairly hard to come by for 3/8" hose and somewhat expensive too. I found a 3/8" Tee to use instead, which means I only need to use one of the return line connections. BTW, I've read in multiple places that combining the returns shouldn't be an issue. If any problems do arise it's an easy enough fix. Not my best work, but it'll do.


Then I got the throttle cable installed. I was able to use the donor truck cable. With a slight modification. The distance from the firewall to the gas peddle is different.


My quickie fix was to tie a not in the cable.


It works, and might last forever, but I did order some cable stops like the one in the universal throttle kits. I had this kit but since the OEM cable will work fine I'm going to return it and get my $60 back. Also, the hole in the firewall of the 79 is square and the 2000 cable went through a round hole. I drilled it out with a 11/16" bit and it fits good.




So the only thing left for the front of the engine is the AC compressor. There are several options for this, maybe even some OEM brackets. I chose to go with a kit from ICT Billet.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/icb-551495-3

It uses an R-4 compressor which I got from the junkyard for $35. I will need to see if my hoses will connect to it. They might, but I saw that one of them has a twist or slight kink in it and I might need to get a new set anyway, but there were several available at the same junkyard.

I started working on the fuel lines. I have the ones from the donor truck, and they might have worked, but not without a lot of frustration. They are bent every which way for mounting on that 2000 Silverado. And I made an attempt at straightening them out to work and that was going ok, not great. The main problem I ran into was trying to remove the inline fuel filter. The flare fitting is stuck on one end. After an hour or so of dicking around with it I figured it wasn't worth the trouble. So I ordered some aluminum fuel line from summit. I've used it before. It's cheap and easy to work with. You can flare it for a better grip with hose clamps or you can use compression fittings. It's good for at least 100 psi. Then just use some EFI rubber hose for the connections, etc. You can go the more expensive route with AN fittings, etc. to make it look way awesome but I'm more frugal.

Anyway, once the new tubing gets here I'll be able to get the fuel tank installed and lines run. I ordered some exhaust tubing, hopefully what I need to connect the stubs to my exhaust. I also ordered a 4" drop shackle kit for the rear suspension.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/djm-hs1119-4

Once I'm done with the mechanical work under the truck I'll work on dropping the suspension. It's nice to slide under it now without having to jack it up. I want it lower but not a huge amount. I've got a camper to haul with this rig...


Once it's dropped in back I can see where I'm at with the driveshaft. Right now it's too long. They make an offset plate to use to move the axle on the spring by as much as an inch for about $22. If that's enough I might go that route. Otherwise, the shop where my son works and where I'm getting the harness and ECU from can shorten it. For the front, I'm going to see where it gets to by cutting some of the springs, then decide from there. 2-1/2" Drop spindles are available. The front is already sitting higher with the lighter engine.

Still a lot to do but it's all coming together. I'm hoping to get it fired up by the end of March. MAybe today I'll get the new tranny mount installed so I can get all the mounts tightened down.
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I thought I found some 3/8" elbows at Menards to use for the power steering pump return lines, but nope. Too small.


I did get the new tranny mount installed, except for the bolt through the crossmember. The new mount uses a different size nut. Probably metric. But it's in there so I can start tightening down everything.

I'm about halfway done welding the right rear rocker in.


Either my welding skills have seriously deteriorated or I am dealing with dirty materials. It kept popping and blowing holes. I know the old stuff has a bit of surface rust but I think my welding wire also has some surface rust on it. Makes for a lot harder job than it should be. I think I'm going to change the roll of wire and see if that helps.
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