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FrankieD · 07-24-2012, 01:05 PM

There are probably a lot of one of a kind trucks out there if they were ordered because you could pick and chose what you wanted.The high end ones would be more rare and they would be 71's and 72's I would think.

davepl · 07-24-2012, 01:25 PM

I searched for about three years, subscribed to eBay, the ads here, and searched craigslist and hemmings and carsonline weekly for that period. There were lots of potentials, but no actuals. The RenoKeene (sorry, don't know your name!) truck was the only one in that time that looked legit.

I -did- find a number of BBC SG shortbox trucks, but none that panned out as being originally equipped. Lots of interesting stories (oh, it 'had' a 402 but the dealer blew it up and put a 454 in it, that kind of thing) but no truck with the correct block code and date and SPID.

GM Canada (Vintage Vehicle Services) would know exactly how many were sold in Canada, but that's only about 1/10th the market size of the US, so probably not representative for rare combinations.

I even thought about shortening my BBC SG Longhorn, but then had a revelation: what the "market" wants is sport trucks (ie: shortbox, car bumpers, tiny mirrors, etc) but in reality a truck is a really crappy sports car. I want a truck... I'm fortunate enough to have the ubiquitous BBC '69 Camaro and an LS7 Vette, so why do I need a sport truck? So I'll build a real truck. But that's me, and I realize a longhorn BBC SG is probably worth 1/2 what a shortbox would be.

All that said, if someone does find a real one, please restore it original. Chalk marks, proper stickers (not the evil Invader 400 stickets from a Sprint), spring tags, the works. The world needs one factory-original BBC SG SB out there!

**special-K** · 07-25-2012, 05:17 PM

Any more out there?

gregbr · 09-10-2012, 02:48 PM

Mine does have the original block with proper casting dates, casting number, & ID Stamp, and agrees with the SPID & Build sheet. But my truck had aftermarket valve covers when I got it, when I put the factory style covers back on during the resto I did put on a "Invader 400" sticker based on input & pics from other board members here. Still have not redone the chaulk marks on the firewall. Did spend quite a few dollars to have the SPID label & the "Mark of Excellence" sticker on the door remade exactly like the originals. So what stickers are correct for the BBC in these trucks?? Any info on the proper stickers/tags and where they go would be nice.

Special-K mentioned GVW listed on the door tag as a clue for a BB truck. What are the weights for comparison?

mgkgmc · 09-10-2012, 03:28 PM

This one is for sale looks like its just a Sierra though, its at DVAP in Phoenix Az.
http://www.dvap.com/survivors/display/5145

tommys72 · 09-10-2012, 05:24 PM

awesome thread! i guess in my years of liking these trucks and now owning my 72 super, i didnt know the SWB BB sierra grande grande was that rare. but as i sit here and type this ive never come across one. this makes me wish i had one that i could put back to as original as possible. the wife and i are redoing our super (slowly but, surely) to as original as possible. dont get me wrong, i love seeing everyones truck on the site, but, im an original as possible type guy with these old trucks....just my two pennies

**special-K** · 09-10-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mgkgmc

This one is for sale looks like its just a Sierra though, its at DVAP in Phoenix Az.
http://www.dvap.com/survivors/display/5145

I'd like to have it,but not for $6,500 in that condition. Everything besides the floor shifter seems original? They don't know much. The side trim is removed and holes have been filled,so paint was done,too. If that truck's a survivor,they all are. It's a C1500,Chevys are C10s.

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Originally Posted by tommys72

awesome thread! i guess in my years of liking these trucks and now owning my 72 super, i didnt know the SWB BB sierra grande grande was that rare. but as i sit here and type this ive never come across one. this makes me wish i had one that i could put back to as original as possible. the wife and i are redoing our super (slowly but, surely) to as original as possible. dont get me wrong, i love seeing everyones truck on the site, but, im an original as possible type guy with these old trucks....just my two pennies

Don't really see many Cheyenne Supers either. You've got something special enough. Being a Sierra Grande does kick it up a notch. A special high-end truck should be kept as close to stock as possible. I have hot rid blood but I have enough reserve to be discrete with something like this.

mgkgmc · 09-10-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by special-K

I'd like to have it,but not for $6,500 in that condition. Everything besides the floor shifter seems original? They don't know much. The side trim is removed and holes have been filled,so paint was done,too. If that truck's a survivor,they all are. It's a C1500,Chevys are C10s.

This truck has been for sale over a year this is why. I have looked at it in person I have noticed the truck has several non original parts other than what they say. I would still like to have it but its price is pretty up there for all it needs

**special-K** · 09-10-2012, 11:04 PM

Yeah,I always want to know how trim holes get filled when I see one like that...and wonder what other body work is in it. To me,a survivor is a truck that you can see everything as it was from day-1. That's what I like to find and this one ain't it. It's a shortbed and it's cool it is a Sierra. I could do something with it,for sure

67c10rustbuket · 09-10-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gregbr

Special-K mentioned GVW listed on the door tag as a clue for a BB truck. What are the weights for comparison?

Mine (C10 swb 283,3ott) is max GVW Rating 5000, for comparison.. so Tim what would a BB SWB GVW beeeee???

gregbr · 09-12-2012, 12:06 PM

Will try to remember to check mine tonite. Also have the SWB 4wd, will look at both.

Flint70step · 09-14-2012, 06:27 PM

Hey Special-K,look what I found.Do y'all think its real?let me know

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/3195915345.html

**special-K** · 09-14-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 67c10rustbuket

Mine (C10 swb 283,3ott) is max GVW Rating 5000, for comparison.. so Tim what would a BB SWB GVW beeeee???

I believe it's 5400 GVW for big blocks.

67c10rustbuket · 09-15-2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by special-K

I believe it's 5400 GVW for big blocks.

Thanks!!

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Originally Posted by Flint70step

Hey Special-K,look what I found.Do y'all think its real?let me know

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/3195915345.html

Based on what Tim states and... If you zoom in and squint real hard at this pic from the CL ad it states the GVW is 5450 ?? (first line under bold "general motors...") so I think that one may be.

67c10rustbuket · 09-15-2012, 12:15 AM

Also found this info in an earlier post about GVW. Here is a link and a pic of a chart of CVGVWR, Combined meaning total load rating (trailer etc) where different values were assigned based upon engine.

My truck being a 67 only has the small vin plate with a single GVW rating where later trucks had a larger plate with more specific load ratings. Second pic is a later truck with more detailed ratings (6cyl C20 tag?) CVGVWR=7500

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=302406

**davestrucks** · 02-05-2013, 12:57 PM

Here one I still have owned for 20 years. Sorry for the crappy pictures.

Zoomin · 02-05-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by davestrucks

Here one I still have owned for 20 years. Sorry for the crappy pictures.

Wow - a Sierra Grande at that. Never seen one before. I'd hang on to that rascal too!

**Ol Blue K20** · 02-05-2013, 02:32 PM

Wow!! I missed this thread before... I like it

**RenoKeene** · 02-05-2013, 05:41 PM

How many now...4?

**special-K** · 02-05-2013, 09:34 PM

Dang Dave,you gotcha one prime specimen tucked away there.

daves72C10D · 02-06-2013, 07:27 AM

That is a nice one Dave.

07-24-2012, 01:05 PM	#51
FrankieD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Gilberts IL. Posts: 2,488	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? There are probably a lot of one of a kind trucks out there if they were ordered because you could pick and chose what you wanted.The high end ones would be more rare and they would be 71's and 72's I would think. __________________ 94 k2500 EXCab Long Bed 350ci New Toy 95 K2500 Suburban New PlowTruck 454ci Support our Troops @ http://anyairman.com http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/

07-24-2012, 01:25 PM	#52
davepl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 6,332	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? I searched for about three years, subscribed to eBay, the ads here, and searched craigslist and hemmings and carsonline weekly for that period. There were lots of potentials, but no actuals. The RenoKeene (sorry, don't know your name!) truck was the only one in that time that looked legit. I -did- find a number of BBC SG shortbox trucks, but none that panned out as being originally equipped. Lots of interesting stories (oh, it 'had' a 402 but the dealer blew it up and put a 454 in it, that kind of thing) but no truck with the correct block code and date and SPID. GM Canada (Vintage Vehicle Services) would know exactly how many were sold in Canada, but that's only about 1/10th the market size of the US, so probably not representative for rare combinations. I even thought about shortening my BBC SG Longhorn, but then had a revelation: what the "market" wants is sport trucks (ie: shortbox, car bumpers, tiny mirrors, etc) but in reality a truck is a really crappy sports car. I want a truck... I'm fortunate enough to have the ubiquitous BBC '69 Camaro and an LS7 Vette, so why do I need a sport truck? So I'll build a real truck. But that's me, and I realize a longhorn BBC SG is probably worth 1/2 what a shortbox would be. All that said, if someone does find a real one, please restore it original. Chalk marks, proper stickers (not the evil Invader 400 stickets from a Sprint), spring tags, the works. The world needs one factory-original BBC SG SB out there! __________________ 1970 GMC Sierra Grande Custom Camper - Built, not Bought 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Coupe 1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 4-speed Convertible

07-25-2012, 05:17 PM	#53
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Any more out there? __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

09-10-2012, 02:48 PM	#54
gregbr Senoir Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rock Hill, SC USA Posts: 1,214	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Mine does have the original block with proper casting dates, casting number, & ID Stamp, and agrees with the SPID & Build sheet. But my truck had aftermarket valve covers when I got it, when I put the factory style covers back on during the resto I did put on a "Invader 400" sticker based on input & pics from other board members here. Still have not redone the chaulk marks on the firewall. Did spend quite a few dollars to have the SPID label & the "Mark of Excellence" sticker on the door remade exactly like the originals. So what stickers are correct for the BBC in these trucks?? Any info on the proper stickers/tags and where they go would be nice. Special-K mentioned GVW listed on the door tag as a clue for a BB truck. What are the weights for comparison? __________________ 67 Chevy, Small back glass, Factory 4WD, Factory Shortbed, Factory V8, Lifted 4" 70 GMC Sierra Grande, Factory Shortbed, Factory 402/400 turbo, Super Custom Interior. Numbers matching with SPID & Build Sheet. 68K Original Miles. Restored 2010 70 GMC Restoration Pictures http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...00&ppuser=4424

09-10-2012, 03:28 PM	#55
mgkgmc Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 1,354	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? This one is for sale looks like its just a Sierra though, its at DVAP in Phoenix Az. http://www.dvap.com/survivors/display/5145 Last edited by mgkgmc; 09-10-2012 at 03:46 PM.

09-10-2012, 05:24 PM	#56
tommys72 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: springfield mo Posts: 3,075	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? awesome thread! i guess in my years of liking these trucks and now owning my 72 super, i didnt know the SWB BB sierra grande grande was that rare. but as i sit here and type this ive never come across one. this makes me wish i had one that i could put back to as original as possible. the wife and i are redoing our super (slowly but, surely) to as original as possible. dont get me wrong, i love seeing everyones truck on the site, but, im an original as possible type guy with these old trucks....just my two pennies

09-10-2012, 11:04 PM	#59
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Yeah,I always want to know how trim holes get filled when I see one like that...and wonder what other body work is in it. To me,a survivor is a truck that you can see everything as it was from day-1. That's what I like to find and this one ain't it. It's a shortbed and it's cool it is a Sierra. I could do something with it,for sure __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

09-12-2012, 12:06 PM	#61
gregbr Senoir Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rock Hill, SC USA Posts: 1,214	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Will try to remember to check mine tonite. Also have the SWB 4wd, will look at both. __________________ 67 Chevy, Small back glass, Factory 4WD, Factory Shortbed, Factory V8, Lifted 4" 70 GMC Sierra Grande, Factory Shortbed, Factory 402/400 turbo, Super Custom Interior. Numbers matching with SPID & Build Sheet. 68K Original Miles. Restored 2010 70 GMC Restoration Pictures http://67-72chevytrucks.com/gallery/...00&ppuser=4424

09-14-2012, 06:27 PM	#62
Flint70step Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lake Travis,Texas Posts: 586	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Hey Special-K,look what I found.Do y'all think its real?let me know http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/3195915345.html __________________ 72 Cheyenne Super LWB 350/350 Factory A/C Tilt/Posi White/Med Red/White(on the way) 72 Custom Deluxe Burb(Arizona truck)Nice interior Great patina Project Patina Azul http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=467668

09-15-2012, 12:15 AM	#65
67c10rustbuket Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Mustang, Oklahoma Posts: 2,807	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Also found this info in an earlier post about GVW. Here is a link and a pic of a chart of CVGVWR, Combined meaning total load rating (trailer etc) where different values were assigned based upon engine. My truck being a 67 only has the small vin plate with a single GVW rating where later trucks had a larger plate with more specific load ratings. Second pic is a later truck with more detailed ratings (6cyl C20 tag?) CVGVWR=7500 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=302406 Attached Images __________________ Dan <---(my name) 67 SWB C10 project "GEORGIA"-59 Brookwood 2dr wag...Next project-03 Tahoe 4x4 5.3 family ride-07 Hondur Accord, commuter car

02-05-2013, 12:57 PM	#66
davestrucks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northglenn Co Posts: 618	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Here one I still have owned for 20 years. Sorry for the crappy pictures. Attached Images

02-05-2013, 02:32 PM	#68
Ol Blue K20 Proprietor of Dale's Corner Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Vacaville , CA Posts: 15,834	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Wow!! I missed this thread before... I like it __________________ "Some Days Chickens And Some Days Feathers" Dale XNGH ECV Sam Brannan 1004 R.I.P. 67ChevyRedneck R.I.P. Grumpy Old Man

02-05-2013, 05:41 PM	#69
RenoKeene Florida Edition Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Fruitland Park, FL Posts: 4,010	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? How many now...4? __________________ 70 GMC Short Stepside "Rose"-An American Beauty: Factory 402/TH400, AM/FM, AC, Tilt, Tach, Buckets, Posi, PS, PB, 3-5 Drop, Complete Resto-Rod 67 C-20 Slant Back Wrecker "Mad Max" 67 C-10 Ratrod "Step-N-Wolf" 71 Serro Scotty Sportsman camper "Scotty" 97 LT1 Z28 "The Hornet" Link to more pics of "Rose" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...p?albumid=1684 Check out my "Cheap Tricks" thread and add to it if you can, lots of good info there. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=489394

02-05-2013, 09:34 PM	#70
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? Dang Dave,you gotcha one prime specimen tucked away there. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-06-2013, 07:27 AM	#71
daves72C10D Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Vale, NC Posts: 283	Re: SWB BBC Sierra Grandes? That is a nice one Dave. __________________ 1972 Custom 10 Deluxe- original paint, interior- 72k miles http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2466316 Cheap, Fast or Good. Pick any two. 1990 Eagle Talon AWD 1991.5 W250 CTD 1992 Cushman Truckster- Haulster



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