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mtdave2 · 03-10-2003, 03:32 PM

ok, heres the deal, i needed some more bace matierial for my parking spot, and around the yard. if you have it delivard, its about 90 bucks, 5 yard minumim. dont need that much. a yard will do.

so i own a truck right? lol. i brought my tarp to protect the bed. when he loaded the gravle, the end of the tarp slipped down and the rocks did this to my tailgate.#@%$#^% cheap ass paint., it chips easy. looks like ill be taking up painting again soon.

bumper got it too

how much wieght do you all think this gravle is?

i have never seen this truck actualy squat before~ im going to find a place tomorrow to weigh it, just cuz i wana know!

look at the springs! almost flat! wow, maybe they are getting old lol. or just alot of weight?

the overload bumper isnt close...

tires. i noticed a major differance with 25 extra pounds of air. at 40 pounds, it really was squirly. 65 not bad at all. the tires can hold 80, they say, but im kind of afraide to pump them up that high..? the weight rating is E. whats that mean anyway?

mtdave2 · 03-10-2003, 03:33 PM

dam those are big! lol ill try and fix that

**Palf70Step** · 03-10-2003, 03:49 PM

It is surprising how much that weighs. I was doing some work in my yard hauling some dirt and was getting ready to have the guy put in a second scoop when I looked at the scale. 1 loader full was a little over half a ton (bout 5/8), which already exceeded my 1/2 truck. Sure glad I didn't add the second scoop.

With what your hauling I wouldn't be surprised if it is pushing close ot a ton.

72CustomCamper · 03-10-2003, 04:05 PM

Well, you have the right truck for it! Is that a Camper option package? I believe, that alone rates the truck a little more than the base 1500 lb.

as for the tires...my Suburban has D rated tires. I once loaded 3000 lb of landscape blocks on a pallete with the tires at max pressure. No problem!

dat · 03-10-2003, 04:08 PM

The letter tire rating is a load rating (max weight), mostly heat disapation, sidewall strength and ply (4, 6 or 8 usually) combination.

The rating runs from A to F and on the auto tires (B class), there is usually a number load rating to break the class up even farther and is usually listed as part of the speed rating on the sidewall (like 88V).

B is rated to 35psi, C to 50psi, D to 65psi, and E to 80psi.

A's are small trailer tires. Most car and mini truck tires are B rated. Larger truck and SUV tires and larger trailers are C class and can handle more psi and higher temps for running under load.

An E class tire is a heavy trailer / heavy machinery tire (industrial apps and 5th wheel trailers is the only place I have ever seen them) and rated for 3000 per tire so technically you could load 12,000 lbs in your truck before the tires blew out!

cheyenne10 · 03-10-2003, 04:29 PM

I believe a cubic yard of concrete is around 2700 lbs. I've always figured a cubic yard of rock around 2000 lbs. Been there done that and never comfortable doing so. Watch the tire heat and hope your axles don't give out. Its also another issue to stop the beast. Keep most of the weight over the axle like in picture. I thin this will be a good reason for arma coating the bed on my clean daily driver some day.

jays68yak · 03-10-2003, 06:53 PM

Ive had 3400 lbs of brick in the back of my 2500. Damn thing finally sat level for once.

rangernsk · 03-10-2003, 07:19 PM

I was workin on a job last year and needed some gravel. Went down to the local rock quarry weighed in at 4225lbs. Went and got loaded with gravel and proceeded back to the scale to weigh out and pay. Weighed out at 10540 lbs. My C20 custom camper suprised me and the quarry workers. Lets do the math, thats 6315 lbs (about 3 tons) of gravel and the springs still had some arch to them. That was one of those proud days for me and my truck.

Stout72 · 03-10-2003, 07:24 PM

Is that an overload helper leaf atop the leaf spring stack? Looks like the shackles are missing.

So how much did the Longhorn squat?

*Gee_Emm* · 03-10-2003, 08:10 PM

Ouch, is that the original paint?

mtdave2 · 03-10-2003, 08:56 PM

there i posted an unloaded pict up there, so you can see the squat.

nope not orginal paint. it was repainted cuz of a vandel =(. with they guy would have paid for better paint! ugh

the overload spring is suposed to look like that.. its just starting to touch the bottom of the bed. i hand hear it hit when i drive over a speed bump! lol

thanks for all the info guys. im really wanting to know the weight.. ill find out before i unload it..

i know i had 1700 pounds in the back once. i didnt do anything but smooth out the ride. so this stuff must really be heavy!

watch the heat?? what do you mean by that?? heating up while driving? i know the tire said max load at 80 pounds cold. but how do you know how much the presure will go up? lol. thats the reason i dont want to put more than 65-70 in it. i hate beeing this dumb on things

Bob Chayer · 03-10-2003, 10:01 PM

Is that the original rear bumper on your truck? I have the same one on my '72 3/4 ton 4x4.

mtdave2 · 03-10-2003, 11:24 PM

yep almost everything on that truck is orginal!

cheyenne10 · 03-11-2003, 01:50 AM

My heat comment was around the overloading of tires. If the tires are really loaded up they tend to get a lot warmer causing the tire to weaken/break down. In theory with enough weight, higher speeds and a long dirve your rear tires could blow out or fall apart.

Lippyp · 03-11-2003, 05:43 AM

So are you gonna unload it with a shovel or tie the tarp to something solid and lay some rubber down? bit like the old pulling the table cloth out from under the dishes trick!

mrein3 · 03-11-2003, 08:45 AM

The way tire ratings were explained to me by a dealer was as follows:
If you have 4 tires rated for 2000 pounds each you get 8000 pounds TOTAL. That includes the truck. My 4x4 is just shy of 5000 pounds so I have 3000 pounds left.

I have bought a load of rock twice. Both times I bought 1100 - 1200 pounds. I've never had a problem but then again I only have to drive just over the border into Wisconsin which is less than 10 miles from my place.

Solver · 03-11-2003, 09:37 AM

I have hauled quite a bit of gravel in the past and I would have to say that you have about 1 1/4 tons on there. Hope you don't plan on leaving it on to long. Older springs aren't use to that much flex. Also if you drive far with overload keep an eye on axle seals. Last time I kinda over did it and they started leaking.

mtdave2 · 03-11-2003, 11:42 AM

Lippyp. thats the plan man, lol, but i think ill have to shovle some out first. its a bit heavy to pull out, the rope rips the tarp..

i have been driving around a bit with the load in there. its not that bad, the old girl handles it rather well. but she had one of those big ass compers on her back her whole life.

anyone know how much them old campers weighed?

lpaine · 03-11-2003, 01:10 PM

I feel your pain..........

03-10-2003, 03:32 PM	#1
mtdave2 newly minted old timer Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Hudson WI Posts: 3,508	um, tires,wieght,springs,paint chips, and stupid owner ok, heres the deal, i needed some more bace matierial for my parking spot, and around the yard. if you have it delivard, its about 90 bucks, 5 yard minumim. dont need that much. a yard will do. so i own a truck right? lol. i brought my tarp to protect the bed. when he loaded the gravle, the end of the tarp slipped down and the rocks did this to my tailgate.#@%$#^% cheap ass paint., it chips easy. looks like ill be taking up painting again soon. bumper got it too how much wieght do you all think this gravle is? i have never seen this truck actualy squat before~ im going to find a place tomorrow to weigh it, just cuz i wana know! look at the springs! almost flat! wow, maybe they are getting old lol. or just alot of weight? the overload bumper isnt close... tires. i noticed a major differance with 25 extra pounds of air. at 40 pounds, it really was squirly. 65 not bad at all. the tires can hold 80, they say, but im kind of afraide to pump them up that high..? the weight rating is E. whats that mean anyway? __________________ ____________________________________________ 72 c20 longhorn 65k org miles and counting! 69 k10 Suburban Last edited by mtdave2; 03-10-2003 at 08:51 PM.

03-10-2003, 03:33 PM	#2
mtdave2 newly minted old timer Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Hudson WI Posts: 3,508	dam those are big! lol ill try and fix that __________________ ____________________________________________ 72 c20 longhorn 65k org miles and counting! 69 k10 Suburban

03-10-2003, 03:49 PM	#3
Palf70Step State of Confusion! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gulfport, MS USA Posts: 46,754	It is surprising how much that weighs. I was doing some work in my yard hauling some dirt and was getting ready to have the guy put in a second scoop when I looked at the scale. 1 loader full was a little over half a ton (bout 5/8), which already exceeded my 1/2 truck. Sure glad I didn't add the second scoop. With what your hauling I wouldn't be surprised if it is pushing close ot a ton. __________________ Bill 1970 Chevy Custom/10 LWB Fleetside 2010 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner SR5 Double Cab - DD Member of Louisiana Classic Truck Club (LCTC) Bill's Gallery Life isn't tied with a bow, but it's still a gift. Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God!

03-10-2003, 04:05 PM	#4
72CustomCamper Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 86	Well, you have the right truck for it! Is that a Camper option package? I believe, that alone rates the truck a little more than the base 1500 lb. as for the tires...my Suburban has D rated tires. I once loaded 3000 lb of landscape blocks on a pallete with the tires at max pressure. No problem! __________________ '72 GMC C20, "2500 Super Custom", Custom Camper, New 454 '93 K2500 Suburban, Old 454 (157K)

03-10-2003, 04:08 PM	#5
dat Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Central MN Posts: 88	The letter tire rating is a load rating (max weight), mostly heat disapation, sidewall strength and ply (4, 6 or 8 usually) combination. The rating runs from A to F and on the auto tires (B class), there is usually a number load rating to break the class up even farther and is usually listed as part of the speed rating on the sidewall (like 88V). B is rated to 35psi, C to 50psi, D to 65psi, and E to 80psi. A's are small trailer tires. Most car and mini truck tires are B rated. Larger truck and SUV tires and larger trailers are C class and can handle more psi and higher temps for running under load. An E class tire is a heavy trailer / heavy machinery tire (industrial apps and 5th wheel trailers is the only place I have ever seen them) and rated for 3000 per tire so technically you could load 12,000 lbs in your truck before the tires blew out! __________________ '68 GMC 1500 LWB Fleetside w/350 & 3 spd (for now)

03-10-2003, 04:29 PM	#6
cheyenne10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,512	weight I believe a cubic yard of concrete is around 2700 lbs. I've always figured a cubic yard of rock around 2000 lbs. Been there done that and never comfortable doing so. Watch the tire heat and hope your axles don't give out. Its also another issue to stop the beast. Keep most of the weight over the axle like in picture. I thin this will be a good reason for arma coating the bed on my clean daily driver some day. __________________ Bob

03-10-2003, 06:53 PM	#7
jays68yak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gilroy, CA Posts: 1,454	Ive had 3400 lbs of brick in the back of my 2500. Damn thing finally sat level for once. __________________ 1969 Chevy Project SWB Fleet, 20s, 5.3, t56, in the weeds. 1970 Chevy Truck cab on a 1979 Jimmy frame-8.1 liter 496 bbc/sm465/np203-jeds doubler-np205/d60/14bff Welded/42 tsls on recentered H1s 1998 Chevy Crew Cab K3500 SAS'd with hpd60, links and swayaway coilovers. 8.1l vortec DD/towrig "I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me. "

03-10-2003, 07:19 PM	#8
rangernsk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Warrensburg MO Posts: 143	I was workin on a job last year and needed some gravel. Went down to the local rock quarry weighed in at 4225lbs. Went and got loaded with gravel and proceeded back to the scale to weigh out and pay. Weighed out at 10540 lbs. My C20 custom camper suprised me and the quarry workers. Lets do the math, thats 6315 lbs (about 3 tons) of gravel and the springs still had some arch to them. That was one of those proud days for me and my truck.

03-10-2003, 07:24 PM	#9
Stout72 Not my good side. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fairfield, California Posts: 222	Is that an overload helper leaf atop the leaf spring stack? Looks like the shackles are missing. So how much did the Longhorn squat? __________________ 72 Chevy K20 Custom Camper, 350/350, 4" lift, dual shock suspension front & rear. Daily driver and a work in progress. 00 Suburban LT 90 Camaro RS 79 Yamaha XS1100 Special (Ol' Reliable)

03-10-2003, 08:10 PM	#10
Gee_Emm Account Suspended Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,002	Ouch, is that the original paint?

03-10-2003, 08:56 PM	#11
mtdave2 newly minted old timer Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Hudson WI Posts: 3,508	there i posted an unloaded pict up there, so you can see the squat. nope not orginal paint. it was repainted cuz of a vandel =(. with they guy would have paid for better paint! ugh the overload spring is suposed to look like that.. its just starting to touch the bottom of the bed. i hand hear it hit when i drive over a speed bump! lol thanks for all the info guys. im really wanting to know the weight.. ill find out before i unload it.. i know i had 1700 pounds in the back once. i didnt do anything but smooth out the ride. so this stuff must really be heavy! watch the heat?? what do you mean by that?? heating up while driving? i know the tire said max load at 80 pounds cold. but how do you know how much the presure will go up? lol. thats the reason i dont want to put more than 65-70 in it. i hate beeing this dumb on things __________________ ____________________________________________ 72 c20 longhorn 65k org miles and counting! 69 k10 Suburban Last edited by mtdave2; 03-10-2003 at 08:58 PM.

03-10-2003, 10:01 PM	#12
Bob Chayer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mid, NH Posts: 150	Is that the original rear bumper on your truck? I have the same one on my '72 3/4 ton 4x4. __________________ Bob Chayer 71 3/4 ton 4X4 Suburban

03-10-2003, 11:24 PM	#13
mtdave2 newly minted old timer Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Hudson WI Posts: 3,508	yep almost everything on that truck is orginal! __________________ ____________________________________________ 72 c20 longhorn 65k org miles and counting! 69 k10 Suburban

03-11-2003, 01:50 AM	#14
cheyenne10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,512	tire heat My heat comment was around the overloading of tires. If the tires are really loaded up they tend to get a lot warmer causing the tire to weaken/break down. In theory with enough weight, higher speeds and a long dirve your rear tires could blow out or fall apart. __________________ Bob

03-11-2003, 05:43 AM	#15
Lippyp English Chevy Owner Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shropshire, UK/ Lot, France Posts: 1,848	So are you gonna unload it with a shovel or tie the tarp to something solid and lay some rubber down? bit like the old pulling the table cloth out from under the dishes trick! __________________ Phil '67 C10 long fleet. 350/TH350, 4 bbl Carter, K&N, Dual exhaust, loads of stuff coming soon 2001 S10 Blazer Daily Driver, bone stock 4 door 4x4 with manual transmission



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03-11-2003, 08:45 AM	#16
mrein3 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Center City, MN, USA Posts: 3,253	The way tire ratings were explained to me by a dealer was as follows: If you have 4 tires rated for 2000 pounds each you get 8000 pounds TOTAL. That includes the truck. My 4x4 is just shy of 5000 pounds so I have 3000 pounds left. I have bought a load of rock twice. Both times I bought 1100 - 1200 pounds. I've never had a problem but then again I only have to drive just over the border into Wisconsin which is less than 10 miles from my place. __________________ '70 cab, '71 chassis, 383, TH350, NP205. '71 Malibu convertible '72 Malibu hard top Center City, MN

03-11-2003, 09:37 AM	#17
Solver Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Location: Storm Lake, Ia Posts: 1,449	I have hauled quite a bit of gravel in the past and I would have to say that you have about 1 1/4 tons on there. Hope you don't plan on leaving it on to long. Older springs aren't use to that much flex. Also if you drive far with overload keep an eye on axle seals. Last time I kinda over did it and they started leaking. __________________ 1972 Cheyenne Super 20 LWB-Blue 1972 Cheyenne Super 10 LWB-Black 1972 Cheyenne Super 10 LWB-Red 1972 Cheyenne Super 10 LWB-green 1972 GMC 4x4 LWB-White 1971 Cheyenne 10 LWB-Ochre 1971 Cheyenne 20 Longhorn-Copper 1971 Cheyenne 20 Longhorn-Black 1969 Custom 10 LWB-lt blue 1968 GMC 3/4 ton-green 1968 1/2 ton swb stepside-silver 1967 Chevrolet CST 10 LWB-green 1967 Chevrolet custom 20 LWB-Maroon

03-11-2003, 11:42 AM	#18
mtdave2 newly minted old timer Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Hudson WI Posts: 3,508	Lippyp. thats the plan man, lol, but i think ill have to shovle some out first. its a bit heavy to pull out, the rope rips the tarp.. i have been driving around a bit with the load in there. its not that bad, the old girl handles it rather well. but she had one of those big ass compers on her back her whole life. anyone know how much them old campers weighed? __________________ ____________________________________________ 72 c20 longhorn 65k org miles and counting! 69 k10 Suburban

03-11-2003, 01:10 PM	#19
lpaine Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Parksville, B.C. Canada Posts: 637	I feel your pain.......... __________________ 1969 G.M.C 3/4 Ton 920 (Canadian Version) 307 3 speed, currently apart 1998 Chevy 1/2 ton ex cab V-6 5 speed 1967 Chevy SWB - project truck; not started just yet

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