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hdandd · 01-13-2011, 07:41 PM

It cranked right up Tuesday but wont crank now. I tried charging the battery that didn't work. I put gas in the carb and nuthin, I looked in the plugs and nuthin, Please somebody help..

hotrodhomi · 01-13-2011, 07:49 PM

if it doesn't crank, all the gas in the world will not help. If you know the battery is good, check the connections at the battery and the starter. Do you hear any clicks or anything at all. Do you have a DMM? If not, you should buy one. It can make electrical troubleshooting much easier.

hdandd · 01-13-2011, 07:53 PM

The starter connection is good, it tries to crank but no cigar

sjarrett71 · 01-13-2011, 08:02 PM

What do you mean it tries to crank? Will the engine turn over when you turn the key? Or will it do nothing when you turn the key?

cdowns · 01-13-2011, 08:03 PM

not turn over means that the engine does not rotate

or do you mean the engine turns over and does not start

hdandd · 01-13-2011, 09:22 PM

sorry.. turns over but does not start.

4LUG39 · 01-13-2011, 09:28 PM

Air,fuel,fire. Are you getting any spark?

hdandd · 01-13-2011, 09:40 PM

I took a plug wire off and saw spark. It has fuel, and as for air it's cold as all get out here.

Willys47 · 01-13-2011, 09:59 PM

if you have points check them and make sure there is a good spark. keep it simple air fuel and spark if it just ran the other day it should be close to running again I would think.

4LUG39 · 01-13-2011, 09:59 PM

Are you getting 12 Volts to the Dist? What color is the spark? Blue or orange?

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 12:43 AM

How would I check to see if the distributer was getting 12 volts? My boss said it probably just had moisture in the distributer cap, any thoughts?

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 02:34 PM

So i just took the distributer, cap off and it was dry.....

cdowns · 01-15-2011, 03:03 PM

if you have points i'd clean and gap them to proper specs// .019gap or dwell of 28-32degrees

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 03:24 PM

The previous owner converted it to electronic ignition. Ignition is definitely not my thing.... YET

vectorit · 01-15-2011, 03:37 PM

Did it run before the electronic ignition was installed?

If not, then make sure it is clocked correctly and the plug wires are in the proper firing order. Everyone does this differently it seems, but for me I make sure the engine is at TDC compression stroke. Then pop the distributor cap, the rotor terminal should point to the #1 cylinder and the cap terminal that the #1 wire is plugged onto.

If it ran and drove fine after the electronic distributor was installed, what if anything has changed since then?

Power brakes? If so, check the power booster hose to the intake manifold. If it has come off or cracked open, it will be a huge vacuum leak that can hinder a cold start. No power brakes? make sure the intake bung used for the booster is properly capped off, this includes some carburetors that will have a large opening for this vacuum source.

What kind of carburetor?
Choke hooked up?
Do you see fuel squirting from the carb jets?

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 04:01 PM

I bought it a year ago and it was installed before then and has ran fine until now I cranked it Tuesday fine but wendsday it wouldn't, so nothing has changed,

I looked at a plug it fired a yellow orange color

Sicklajoie · 01-15-2011, 04:06 PM

Timing chain?

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 04:08 PM

Its turning over fine and turning the rotor, It worked fine last time i shut it off,
Could it still be the timing chain... At this point i'm pretty much clueless

MattyBs71 · 01-15-2011, 04:13 PM

Electric choke? If so I have had the hot wire come undone for the choke and the ***** did not want to start one cold morning. I was tearing my hair out and looked under dash and saw the choke wire undone. Plugged it in and whamo blum blum blum blum blum away we go!

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 04:15 PM

Nope Manuel choke, could it be the coil?

**67sss** · 01-15-2011, 04:16 PM

if it has air-fuel-spark, I would hold the gas peddle down to the floor for a couple of minutes, leave it there while you are turning it over. Maybe you're flooding out the carb.

MattyBs71 · 01-15-2011, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67sss

if it has air-fuel-spark, I would hold the gas peddle down to the floor for a couple of minutes, leave it there while you are turning it over. Maybe you're flooding out the carb.

Yes I agree on this one. Try it!

whitesswj · 01-15-2011, 05:28 PM

I'm going to mention something many look over.
Take the module out of the HEI and take it to Autozone and have them test it. I bet it's went out on you.
Take the coil with you and have them test it.

To check the chain just pull the dist and turn it over. If the dizzy is turning then the cam is turning and the chain is turning it. It may be out of time. Check that.
It sounds to me like it may be a Fire issue so keep looking there.
To check for 12V at the dizzy pull the wire to it and put a voltmeter on it with the key in the ON position.

463 · 01-15-2011, 05:56 PM

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=440715 go to post #8 there is a pic

hdandd · 01-15-2011, 06:32 PM

I tried holding the gas down for a while.
I just got back from having the module tested.
I'm checking the coil now.
it acts kinda of like one cylinder fires but none of the others...
So cap and rotor maybe?

01-13-2011, 07:49 PM	#2
hotrodhomi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,737	Re: it just won't turn over if it doesn't crank, all the gas in the world will not help. If you know the battery is good, check the connections at the battery and the starter. Do you hear any clicks or anything at all. Do you have a DMM? If not, you should buy one. It can make electrical troubleshooting much easier. __________________ '72 2wd blazer, bagged w/ watts link & EDC '72 C10 "Lowered Farm Truck" STOLEN 5-18-11 '66 impala ht

01-13-2011, 07:53 PM	#3
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over The starter connection is good, it tries to crank but no cigar __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-13-2011, 08:02 PM	#4
sjarrett71 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rolla, MO Posts: 2,463	Re: it just won't turn over What do you mean it tries to crank? Will the engine turn over when you turn the key? Or will it do nothing when you turn the key? __________________ -Scott-

01-13-2011, 08:03 PM	#5
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: it just won't turn over not turn over means that the engine does not rotate or do you mean the engine turns over and does not start __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

01-13-2011, 09:22 PM	#6
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over sorry.. turns over but does not start.

01-13-2011, 07:41 PM	#1
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	it just won't turn over It cranked right up Tuesday but wont crank now. I tried charging the battery that didn't work. I put gas in the carb and nuthin, I looked in the plugs and nuthin, Please somebody help..

01-13-2011, 09:28 PM	#7
4LUG39 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bastrop,Texas Posts: 61	Re: it just won't turn over Air,fuel,fire. Are you getting any spark? __________________ Ain't no way in the world I'm going out that front door. 69 SWB Fleetside 327/5spd 76 blazer 383/700R4 95 2Dr Tahoe 5.7 4x4 LT

01-13-2011, 09:40 PM	#8
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over I took a plug wire off and saw spark. It has fuel, and as for air it's cold as all get out here.

01-13-2011, 09:59 PM	#9
Willys47 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nanaimo B.C. Posts: 604	Re: it just won't turn over if you have points check them and make sure there is a good spark. keep it simple air fuel and spark if it just ran the other day it should be close to running again I would think. __________________ I was hooked on these trucks since 1982 when I drove my budys fathers 1968 Custum GMC 396 automatic dana 60 rear with a power lock diff what a ride more fun then we will we can ever tell!!

01-13-2011, 09:59 PM	#10
4LUG39 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bastrop,Texas Posts: 61	Re: it just won't turn over Are you getting 12 Volts to the Dist? What color is the spark? Blue or orange? __________________ Ain't no way in the world I'm going out that front door. 69 SWB Fleetside 327/5spd 76 blazer 383/700R4 95 2Dr Tahoe 5.7 4x4 LT

01-15-2011, 12:43 AM	#11
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over How would I check to see if the distributer was getting 12 volts? My boss said it probably just had moisture in the distributer cap, any thoughts? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-15-2011, 02:34 PM	#12
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over So i just took the distributer, cap off and it was dry.....

01-15-2011, 03:03 PM	#13
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: it just won't turn over if you have points i'd clean and gap them to proper specs// .019gap or dwell of 28-32degrees __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

01-15-2011, 03:24 PM	#14
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over The previous owner converted it to electronic ignition. Ignition is definitely not my thing.... YET

01-15-2011, 03:37 PM	#15
vectorit What? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,617	Re: it just won't turn over Did it run before the electronic ignition was installed? If not, then make sure it is clocked correctly and the plug wires are in the proper firing order. Everyone does this differently it seems, but for me I make sure the engine is at TDC compression stroke. Then pop the distributor cap, the rotor terminal should point to the #1 cylinder and the cap terminal that the #1 wire is plugged onto. If it ran and drove fine after the electronic distributor was installed, what if anything has changed since then? Power brakes? If so, check the power booster hose to the intake manifold. If it has come off or cracked open, it will be a huge vacuum leak that can hinder a cold start. No power brakes? make sure the intake bung used for the booster is properly capped off, this includes some carburetors that will have a large opening for this vacuum source. What kind of carburetor? Choke hooked up? Do you see fuel squirting from the carb jets? __________________ Chris 1968 K20 Suburban 1972 K10 LWB PU



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01-15-2011, 04:01 PM	#16
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over I bought it a year ago and it was installed before then and has ran fine until now I cranked it Tuesday fine but wendsday it wouldn't, so nothing has changed, I looked at a plug it fired a yellow orange color __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-15-2011, 04:06 PM	#17
Sicklajoie The Niner Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Broad Brook, CT Posts: 2,489	Re: it just won't turn over Timing chain? __________________ "A good racer is one whose head is in communication with his balls." - Richie Evans 1970 C/20 - 402/TH400/3.54s - 74K miles 2003 GMC Sierra 2500 - Wheatland Yellow Niner Progression Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=697183 Classic Trucks article: https://www.motortrend.com/features/...et-c20-driven/

01-15-2011, 04:08 PM	#18
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over Its turning over fine and turning the rotor, It worked fine last time i shut it off, Could it still be the timing chain... At this point i'm pretty much clueless __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-15-2011, 04:13 PM	#19
MattyBs71 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Buckley, Washington Posts: 333	Re: it just won't turn over Electric choke? If so I have had the hot wire come undone for the choke and the ***** did not want to start one cold morning. I was tearing my hair out and looked under dash and saw the choke wire undone. Plugged it in and whamo blum blum blum blum blum away we go!

01-15-2011, 04:15 PM	#20
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over Nope Manuel choke, could it be the coil? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

01-15-2011, 04:16 PM	#21
67sss Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mt. Vernon, WA.. Posts: 2,322	Re: it just won't turn over if it has air-fuel-spark, I would hold the gas peddle down to the floor for a couple of minutes, leave it there while you are turning it over. Maybe you're flooding out the carb.

01-15-2011, 05:28 PM	#23
whitesswj Embrace the Redneck Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 1,334	Re: it just won't turn over I'm going to mention something many look over. Take the module out of the HEI and take it to Autozone and have them test it. I bet it's went out on you. Take the coil with you and have them test it. To check the chain just pull the dist and turn it over. If the dizzy is turning then the cam is turning and the chain is turning it. It may be out of time. Check that. It sounds to me like it may be a Fire issue so keep looking there. To check for 12V at the dizzy pull the wire to it and put a voltmeter on it with the key in the ON position. __________________ '01 Camaro *Son, you just can't get there from here...* Last edited by whitesswj; 01-15-2011 at 05:28 PM. Reason: Added coil

01-15-2011, 05:56 PM	#24
463 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sask Canada Posts: 1,666	Re: it just won't turn over http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=440715 go to post #8 there is a pic __________________ Trueman

01-15-2011, 06:32 PM	#25
hdandd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cullman Alabama Posts: 56	Re: it just won't turn over I tried holding the gas down for a while. I just got back from having the module tested. I'm checking the coil now. it acts kinda of like one cylinder fires but none of the others... So cap and rotor maybe? __________________ 71 C-15 350 three speed.

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