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C.W · 01-13-2010, 04:05 AM

What years of truck can i get a Z bar/bell crank from for my 71 chev 350, 4spd?

I cant compare to mine as someone stole the one off my truck while it was stored at a friends.

Smallz72project · 01-13-2010, 04:58 AM

Im sorry for the possibly ignorant question, but what is a Z bar and where on the truck is it located?? I have never heard of such a thing other then in reference to say like motor cycle handle bars that are in the shape of Z's.

C.W · 01-13-2010, 05:06 AM

Its part of the clutch linkage that goes from the ball stud on the engine block to the frame. Connects the clutch pedal to the rod goint to the clutch fork. Hopefully that makes sense, its been a long day.

vasquezmrysvll · 01-13-2010, 05:35 AM

its actually called a bell crank.

C.W · 01-13-2010, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by vasquezmrysvll

its actually called a bell crank.

That was the other name i was looking for. Thank you.
Like i said, been a long day.

**'68OrangeSunshine** · 01-13-2010, 06:28 AM

"Z-Bar" is accepted Chevy slang for the clutch bell crank.
Back to the original question-- I think the '67-'72 V8 4x4 Z-Bar is fairly common.

JimKshortstep4x4 · 01-13-2010, 06:30 AM

The 67-72 V-8 trucks, (2wd or 4wd) Z-bars will fit. The 6 cylinder Z bars are too long.

Jim

C.W · 01-13-2010, 06:30 AM

73+ will not work at all then?
Also i have read conflicting answers about the ball stud on the block. Does it thread directly into the block or into a bracket?

rsavage · 01-13-2010, 08:09 AM

Threads into the block. Don't know if a 73 and up z bar would work.

**gerfunken** · 01-13-2010, 02:49 PM

I don't believe that they will work. I know that Grumpy's Truck Parts here in Phoenix, AZ carries them..... After breaking the weld on one of mine, I was frantic at the time to find a replacement. Granted, that was before I joined this wonderful board.

http://www.grumpystruckparts.com/productCat60300.ctlg

Smallz72project · 01-13-2010, 03:27 PM

Ah, that makes sense. Learn something new everyday. I just took mine off my 67 yesterday. Not planning on keeping the manual. I can take a picture of it and if it works for you its all yours for just the shipping.

C.W · 01-13-2010, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smallz72project

Ah, that makes sense. Learn something new everyday. I just took mine off my 67 yesterday. Not planning on keeping the manual. I can take a picture of it and if it works for you its all yours for just the shipping.

Was yours a small block v8 truck?
Are you able to see what shipping would be to Penticton BC Canada, Postal code V2A-2J6?

pumpkin · 01-13-2010, 05:10 PM

Got one.

C.W · 01-13-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pumpkin

Got one.

How much?
From a small block 4spd truck?
Will you throw it on the bus?

Smallz72project · 01-13-2010, 11:35 PM

Yes it is off of a 327, have the bracket that the ball stud screws into as well. But let me know cause Im sure it would be way easier and cheaper for you to get the one from Pumpkin if its the right one. The one I have needs to be refurbished also, the bushings/dust shims are pretty haggered.

C.W · 01-13-2010, 11:49 PM

Is that bracket with the ball stud for the block or frame side?

MAK191 · 01-14-2010, 12:00 AM

If I remember correctly the ball stud in the picture is mounted to the block and the z bar in the picture has a nut on the other end (with another ball) that mounts to the frame, just like the 1st picture. 2nd picture the z bar is flipped around. Your frame should have the other bracket riveted on from the factory.

C.W · 01-14-2010, 12:12 AM

Is the bracket needed on the block or is it just for blocks that dont have the threaded hole?
Mine is just threaded into the block itself. But im not sure if its the original engine or not.

Smallz72project · 01-14-2010, 01:26 AM

The bracket with the ball stud bolts onto the block and the other end has a ball stud that just has a nut and it sits inside a bracket that is riveted to the frame as Mak191 said. Although I can also send the frame bracket as well. But again just let me know because Im sure that it would be more cost and time friendly to get one that was already in canada.

**'68OrangeSunshine** · 01-14-2010, 03:08 AM

My '71 GMC Jimmy has just the ball stud that goes right into the block. No engine side bracket. Is that a K/5 thing?
'73 -and-later clutch linkages are way different from '67-'72 series stuff.

69 longhorn · 01-14-2010, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '68OrangeSunshine

My '71 GMC Jimmy has just the ball stud that goes right into the block. No engine side bracket. Is that a K/5 thing?
'73 -and-later clutch linkages are way different from '67-'72 series stuff.

2wd uses the bracket on the engine, but I beleive that the 4wd uses a screw in ball in the block(due to engine placement). crazy AL

C.W · 01-14-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 69 longhorn

2wd uses the bracket on the engine, but I beleive that the 4wd uses a screw in ball in the block(due to engine placement). crazy AL

My 2wd only has the screw in ball stud. It may not be original, but how for off would the alignment of the bell crank be that way?

C.W · 01-14-2010, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smallz72project

The bracket with the ball stud bolts onto the block and the other end has a ball stud that just has a nut and it sits inside a bracket that is riveted to the frame as Mak191 said. Although I can also send the frame bracket as well. But again just let me know because Im sure that it would be more cost and time friendly to get one that was already in canada.

PM sent.

69 longhorn · 01-14-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by C.W

My 2wd only has the screw in ball stud. It may not be original, but how for off would the alignment of the bell crank be that way?

If your truck was originally an I6, it most likely has a sb mounted on the original 6cyl frame stands.....that moves the eng back 3 1/2" from factory sb V8, or same as 4wd spot. In that case i have found a screw in ball to work out well. can you post a pic of the eng compartment? crazyAl

C.W · 01-14-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 69 longhorn

If your truck was originally an I6, it most likely has a sb mounted on the original 6cyl frame stands.....that moves the eng back 3 1/2" from factory sb V8, or same as 4wd spot. In that case i have found a screw in ball to work out well. can you post a pic of the eng compartment? crazyAl

Actually i went back out and checked it a little closer and wiped the oil and grime off a bit and it appears it does have the bracket with the ball. So i was mistaken before i guess.

01-13-2010, 04:05 AM	#1
C.W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Penticton BC Canada Posts: 84	Z bar/bell crank question What years of truck can i get a Z bar/bell crank from for my 71 chev 350, 4spd? I cant compare to mine as someone stole the one off my truck while it was stored at a friends. __________________ 86 Burb, 5/7 drop, 18" rims, big stereo, work in progress, as well as daily driver. 86 Short box just starting the build. 86 GMC 1500 2wd, ugly blue farm looking truck with a mild 454... More to come! 98 Cheyenne Ext cab short box 2wd. Driver and maybe future project. Last edited by C.W; 01-13-2010 at 05:48 AM.

01-13-2010, 04:58 AM	#2
Smallz72project Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missoula, MT Posts: 273	Re: Z bar question Im sorry for the possibly ignorant question, but what is a Z bar and where on the truck is it located?? I have never heard of such a thing other then in reference to say like motor cycle handle bars that are in the shape of Z's. __________________ - 1967 Chevy C10 shortbox - 1984 Chevy K10 "Mater"- SWB 305 manual, retired sheriffs truck, Current Frame Off Project - 1986 Chevy K10 LWB 350/350 Daily Driver/project

01-13-2010, 05:06 AM	#3
C.W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Penticton BC Canada Posts: 84	Re: Z bar question Its part of the clutch linkage that goes from the ball stud on the engine block to the frame. Connects the clutch pedal to the rod goint to the clutch fork. Hopefully that makes sense, its been a long day. __________________ 86 Burb, 5/7 drop, 18" rims, big stereo, work in progress, as well as daily driver. 86 Short box just starting the build. 86 GMC 1500 2wd, ugly blue farm looking truck with a mild 454... More to come! 98 Cheyenne Ext cab short box 2wd. Driver and maybe future project.

01-13-2010, 05:35 AM	#4
vasquezmrysvll "the other guy" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Olivehurst California 95961 Posts: 901	Re: Z bar question its actually called a bell crank. __________________ God Said,"Building A 10 Second Import Is Like Coming Out Of The Closet, In The End Ur Still....."EXPLETIVE"

01-13-2010, 06:28 AM	#6
'68OrangeSunshine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Posts: 7,042	Re: Z bar question "Z-Bar" is accepted Chevy slang for the clutch bell crank. Back to the original question-- I think the '67-'72 V8 4x4 Z-Bar is fairly common. __________________ Every 25 years I like to rebuild that 292, whether it needs it or not. Last edited by '68OrangeSunshine; 01-13-2010 at 06:31 AM.

01-13-2010, 06:30 AM	#7
JimKshortstep4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Muskegon,MI,USA Posts: 6,026	Re: Z bar question The 67-72 V-8 trucks, (2wd or 4wd) Z-bars will fit. The 6 cylinder Z bars are too long. Jim __________________ 1971 Shortbox step side 4x4, 350 sbc, 3:07 rear end 1965 Impala SS 400 sbc, Muncie rock crusher 1966 Impala SS 396 bbc, TH 400 1969 El Camino, 350 sbc, TH 350 1971 Snowplow built on a Blazer frame 1972 GMC Short bed, stepside, TH 400, 427 BBC

01-13-2010, 06:30 AM	#8
C.W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Penticton BC Canada Posts: 84	Re: Z bar question 73+ will not work at all then? Also i have read conflicting answers about the ball stud on the block. Does it thread directly into the block or into a bracket? __________________ 86 Burb, 5/7 drop, 18" rims, big stereo, work in progress, as well as daily driver. 86 Short box just starting the build. 86 GMC 1500 2wd, ugly blue farm looking truck with a mild 454... More to come! 98 Cheyenne Ext cab short box 2wd. Driver and maybe future project. Last edited by C.W; 01-13-2010 at 07:08 AM.

01-13-2010, 08:09 AM	#9
rsavage Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Alden NY Posts: 2,705	Re: Z bar question Threads into the block. Don't know if a 73 and up z bar would work. __________________ 1961 C1 Corvette 1959 El Camino 350 TPI, 9" 4 w disc 69 Blazer K5 - sold July '20 2021 Durango RT 5.7 Last edited by rsavage; 01-13-2010 at 08:10 AM.

01-13-2010, 02:49 PM	#10
gerfunken Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 490	Re: Z bar question I don't believe that they will work. I know that Grumpy's Truck Parts here in Phoenix, AZ carries them..... After breaking the weld on one of mine, I was frantic at the time to find a replacement. Granted, that was before I joined this wonderful board. http://www.grumpystruckparts.com/productCat60300.ctlg __________________ -Scott 1972 Chevy K20 Picture Gallery Build Thread 1930 Chevy AD Picture Gallery 1929 Ford Model-A Picture Gallery 1975 Triumph TR-6 Picture Gallery

01-13-2010, 03:27 PM	#11
Smallz72project Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missoula, MT Posts: 273	Re: Z bar question Ah, that makes sense. Learn something new everyday. I just took mine off my 67 yesterday. Not planning on keeping the manual. I can take a picture of it and if it works for you its all yours for just the shipping. __________________ - 1967 Chevy C10 shortbox - 1984 Chevy K10 "Mater"- SWB 305 manual, retired sheriffs truck, Current Frame Off Project - 1986 Chevy K10 LWB 350/350 Daily Driver/project

01-13-2010, 05:10 PM	#13
pumpkin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Sooke B.C. Canada Posts: 543	Re: Z bar question Got one.

01-13-2010, 11:35 PM	#15
Smallz72project Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missoula, MT Posts: 273	Re: Z bar question Yes it is off of a 327, have the bracket that the ball stud screws into as well. But let me know cause Im sure it would be way easier and cheaper for you to get the one from Pumpkin if its the right one. The one I have needs to be refurbished also, the bushings/dust shims are pretty haggered. Attached Images __________________ - 1967 Chevy C10 shortbox - 1984 Chevy K10 "Mater"- SWB 305 manual, retired sheriffs truck, Current Frame Off Project - 1986 Chevy K10 LWB 350/350 Daily Driver/project

01-13-2010, 11:49 PM	#16
C.W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Penticton BC Canada Posts: 84	Re: Z bar question Is that bracket with the ball stud for the block or frame side? __________________ 86 Burb, 5/7 drop, 18" rims, big stereo, work in progress, as well as daily driver. 86 Short box just starting the build. 86 GMC 1500 2wd, ugly blue farm looking truck with a mild 454... More to come! 98 Cheyenne Ext cab short box 2wd. Driver and maybe future project.

01-14-2010, 12:00 AM	#17
MAK191 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: FL Posts: 335	Re: Z bar question If I remember correctly the ball stud in the picture is mounted to the block and the z bar in the picture has a nut on the other end (with another ball) that mounts to the frame, just like the 1st picture. 2nd picture the z bar is flipped around. Your frame should have the other bracket riveted on from the factory.

01-14-2010, 12:12 AM	#18
C.W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Penticton BC Canada Posts: 84	Re: Z bar question Is the bracket needed on the block or is it just for blocks that dont have the threaded hole? Mine is just threaded into the block itself. But im not sure if its the original engine or not. __________________ 86 Burb, 5/7 drop, 18" rims, big stereo, work in progress, as well as daily driver. 86 Short box just starting the build. 86 GMC 1500 2wd, ugly blue farm looking truck with a mild 454... More to come! 98 Cheyenne Ext cab short box 2wd. Driver and maybe future project.



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01-14-2010, 01:26 AM	#19
Smallz72project Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missoula, MT Posts: 273	Re: Z bar question The bracket with the ball stud bolts onto the block and the other end has a ball stud that just has a nut and it sits inside a bracket that is riveted to the frame as Mak191 said. Although I can also send the frame bracket as well. But again just let me know because Im sure that it would be more cost and time friendly to get one that was already in canada. __________________ - 1967 Chevy C10 shortbox - 1984 Chevy K10 "Mater"- SWB 305 manual, retired sheriffs truck, Current Frame Off Project - 1986 Chevy K10 LWB 350/350 Daily Driver/project

01-14-2010, 03:08 AM	#20
'68OrangeSunshine Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Posts: 7,042	Re: Z bar question My '71 GMC Jimmy has just the ball stud that goes right into the block. No engine side bracket. Is that a K/5 thing? '73 -and-later clutch linkages are way different from '67-'72 series stuff. __________________ Every 25 years I like to rebuild that 292, whether it needs it or not. Last edited by '68OrangeSunshine; 01-14-2010 at 03:12 AM.

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