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moneypit1965 · 12-29-2017, 04:56 PM

So I have a 65 Short bed Step, BUTTTTT my Model/VIN is 1C1445Z1XXXXX

I know its a half ton short bed step born in Fremont...... but why is there a 1 in front??

I did look at the Drivers front frame rail to verify as well for the last 8 digits.

I swear I am not idiot but I just can not find the answer. I have looked at multiple decoders and they leave me with no answer.

Help?

**The Rocknrod** · 12-29-2017, 06:00 PM

Does the stamp on the top of the drivers side frame-rail at about the cross-member read the same last seven numbers?
Oh wow after looking at that, looks weird. Two different stamps and the numbers after 1C144 are not in order? Check the frame rail number and report. Please.

moneypit1965 · 12-29-2017, 06:22 PM

Yes the stamp on the front is the same as the last digits on the VIN.

If I knew how to add a photo on the mobile I would. But yes it is a 1965, flat windshield and the front suspension is not torsion.

Could it be a late 64 that was sold as a 65?
Posted via Mobile Device

Edit: first is the frame.

**Palf70Step** · 12-31-2017, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moneypit1965

Yes the stamp on the front is the same as the last digits on the VIN.

If I knew how to add a photo on the mobile I would. But yes it is a 1965, flat windshield and the front suspension is not torsion.

Could it be a late 64 that was sold as a 65?
Posted via Mobile Device

Edit: first is the frame.

That is what my guess is, some plant was still doing the 60-64VIN, with the 65-66 also in there.

I know on the 67-72 the number on the SPID had the extra 1, wonder if the stamper got confused.

If it matches your title and your state allows those rivets (could have been done by body shop during a repair), your good I guess. Far as I know most all the 60-64 Vins were welded on, not held on with rosette rivets.

**The Rocknrod** · 12-31-2017, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palf70Step

... Far as I know most all the 60-64 Vins were welded on, not held on with rosette rivets.

You can say that, it's not entirely correct but you can say it.

There is a thread/poll here recently - http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=670947
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=539385
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...12&postcount=9

moneypit1965 · 12-31-2017, 05:03 PM

First off, I appreciate all the responses in regards to my predicament. I did find the build sheet, from behind the seat and the piece for the VIN is intact. Sooooo I'll try and do some more research.

Again, Thank you all for the responses!

**The Rocknrod** · 12-31-2017, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moneypit1965

First off, I appreciate all the responses in regards to my predicament. I did find the build sheet, from behind the seat and the piece for the VIN is intact. Sooooo I'll try and do some more research.

Again, Thank you all for the responses!

Does it show a year and the VIN on the sheet? Can you scan and post for us, maybe we will all learn something.

61K10 · 12-30-2017, 03:52 PM

What is on the pink-slip/reg.? shows as a 61 but Freemont (z) was not around (built) then.

moneypit1965 · 12-30-2017, 07:17 PM

Registration says 65. It is physically a 65, registered as a 65, but this 1 is throwing stuff off.

And yes I know what the decoders say.

Rich 5150 69 · 12-30-2017, 10:47 PM

Those rivets on the vin tag look to be pop rivets, recent ones at that....

moneypit1965 · 12-30-2017, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich 5150 69

Those rivets on the vin tag look to be pop rivets, recent ones at that....

I thought about that buttttt I have seen others without the rosette style.

oldusafmsgt · 12-31-2017, 10:21 AM

Looks like the VIN tag was replaced. Rivets are wrong, numbers don't add up.

**DPowers** · 12-31-2017, 01:05 PM

Interesting for sure.

**60-66** · 12-31-2017, 06:26 PM

Just to add to the Rivet mystery , I have pictures of a survivor 1965 K10 Suburban from the Fremont plant = Z , with One Rosette rivet and One Round rivet . It also has the same Font differences in size as the original post here. I believe your tag and possibly even the rivets are original.

1966 K10 · 12-31-2017, 09:14 PM

Here is my 66 tag. I do remember seeing repro tags on ebay with the model numbers pre stamped. There are blanks that pop up now and then.

http://www.classicdatatags.com/1965-...nd-trucks.html

**rideblue00** · 12-31-2017, 08:07 PM

ive been digging a little. the 1 seems to denote year?...1961

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=463671

**rideblue00** · 12-31-2017, 08:20 PM

i know you said its a 65, but that tag is weird. anything ive seen says that the first digit denotes year. My vin does not have a number before the c and ill bet most others do not either.

http://www.oeltd.net/doc/6066gmc/VINs/gmc-canada.htm

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...1&d=1202233538

**rideblue00** · 12-31-2017, 08:38 PM

http://www.47287chevytrucks.com/pg1.html

**rideblue00** · 12-31-2017, 09:47 PM

Are repro tags even legal...

**The Rocknrod** · 12-31-2017, 11:38 PM

Probably not but I think the discussion is about the guys VIN (is it real etc) not the legality.
Then we will digress into posting laws from various states and making grand statements about what is legal.
Personally I'd like to stay away from that and discuss what is real, repoped,faked or whatever on this guys truck, but that's just me.

1966 K10 · 01-01-2018, 02:36 AM

all three together

**The Rocknrod** · 01-01-2018, 08:19 AM

Here is the VIN thread I was talking about earlier.
http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=316902
On the vehicle in question - why again can't you show the entire VIN plate?

moneypit1965 · 01-01-2018, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

Here is the VIN thread I was talking about earlier.
http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=316902
On the vehicle in question - why again can't you show the entire VIN plate?

It was just the way I took the picture. I was trying to cover up the last 6, kind of useless now after the frame and build sheet pics. I know I glossed over that thread atleast once before posting, to make sure I wasn’t posting a dumb question. I’ll scrub again to make sure I didn’t skim over something.

If needed I can get a full photo.

If the build sheet did have the year(besides from the vin) it has been destroyed from decades of temperature change and mice.

oem4me · 01-01-2018, 02:02 PM

Most VIN related questions I've seen are easily answered by simple research, but this one is perplexing. I'm no expert and have no answers, so I'll be watching how this evolves.

**rideblue00** · 01-01-2018, 09:19 AM

That 1 at the beginning is weird.

Do build sheets show the year of the vehicle? like 1965?

12-29-2017, 04:56 PM	#1
moneypit1965 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Silverton, Oregon Posts: 26	VIN question So I have a 65 Short bed Step, BUTTTTT my Model/VIN is 1C1445Z1XXXXX I know its a half ton short bed step born in Fremont...... but why is there a 1 in front?? I did look at the Drivers front frame rail to verify as well for the last 8 digits. I swear I am not idiot but I just can not find the answer. I have looked at multiple decoders and they leave me with no answer. Help? Attached Images __________________ 1961 GMC 1000 series 4x4, flatbed, 350 v8, SM 420, Dana 44 front, HO35 rear, another work in progress 1965 C10 250 I6 Shortbed Stepside (currently flatbed) work in progress daily driver 05 cobalt.

12-29-2017, 06:00 PM	#2
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: VIN question Does the stamp on the top of the drivers side frame-rail at about the cross-member read the same last seven numbers? Oh wow after looking at that, looks weird. Two different stamps and the numbers after 1C144 are not in order? Check the frame rail number and report. Please. __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

12-29-2017, 06:22 PM	#3
moneypit1965 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Silverton, Oregon Posts: 26	Re: VIN question Yes the stamp on the front is the same as the last digits on the VIN. If I knew how to add a photo on the mobile I would. But yes it is a 1965, flat windshield and the front suspension is not torsion. Could it be a late 64 that was sold as a 65? Posted via Mobile Device Edit: first is the frame. Attached Images Last edited by moneypit1965; 12-29-2017 at 06:48 PM. Reason: Add images

12-31-2017, 05:03 PM	#6
moneypit1965 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Silverton, Oregon Posts: 26	Re: VIN question First off, I appreciate all the responses in regards to my predicament. I did find the build sheet, from behind the seat and the piece for the VIN is intact. Sooooo I'll try and do some more research. Again, Thank you all for the responses! __________________ 1961 GMC 1000 series 4x4, flatbed, 350 v8, SM 420, Dana 44 front, HO35 rear, another work in progress 1965 C10 250 I6 Shortbed Stepside (currently flatbed) work in progress daily driver 05 cobalt.

12-30-2017, 03:52 PM	#8
61K10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: pleasant valley--placerville ca Posts: 3,039	Re: VIN question What is on the pink-slip/reg.? shows as a 61 but Freemont (z) was not around (built) then. __________________ 1961 chevy K10 my build is------------61K10 build

12-30-2017, 07:17 PM	#9
moneypit1965 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Silverton, Oregon Posts: 26	Re: VIN question Registration says 65. It is physically a 65, registered as a 65, but this 1 is throwing stuff off. And yes I know what the decoders say. __________________ 1961 GMC 1000 series 4x4, flatbed, 350 v8, SM 420, Dana 44 front, HO35 rear, another work in progress 1965 C10 250 I6 Shortbed Stepside (currently flatbed) work in progress daily driver 05 cobalt.

12-30-2017, 10:47 PM	#10
Rich 5150 69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Galt, Calif Posts: 2,437	Re: VIN question Those rivets on the vin tag look to be pop rivets, recent ones at that.... __________________ `64 C10 vortec 350/350/373 posi `69 RS/SS 350/350/308 `37 Ford 406/350/324 traclock `68 Dart 370/904/323 suregrip

12-31-2017, 10:21 AM	#12
oldusafmsgt Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Jasper, AL Posts: 224	Re: VIN question Looks like the VIN tag was replaced. Rivets are wrong, numbers don't add up. __________________ 1960 Chevy Apache10 Short Fleetside 1961 Chevy Apache10 Short Fleetside 1961 Chevy Apache20 Fleetside 1963 Chevy C10 Short Fleetside 1965 Chevy C10 Short Stepside 1965 Chevy C10 Long Fleetside 1966 GMC 1000 Long Fleetside 1966 Chevy C10 Short Fleetside

12-31-2017, 01:05 PM	#13
DPowers One foot in front of the other Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Parrottsville, TN Posts: 5,423	Re: VIN question Interesting for sure. __________________ DP's 66 Build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=361556

12-31-2017, 06:26 PM	#14
60-66 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,322	Re: VIN question Just to add to the Rivet mystery , I have pictures of a survivor 1965 K10 Suburban from the Fremont plant = Z , with One Rosette rivet and One Round rivet . It also has the same Font differences in size as the original post here. I believe your tag and possibly even the rivets are original. __________________ IS IT an EATON or Chevrolet rear axle https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=843778 The hubcap thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=702839 WANTED : 1963-1966 6 Cylinder Fan Shroud WANTED :1964-1966 PANEL TRUCK

12-31-2017, 09:14 PM	#15
1966 K10 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Rainier, WA Posts: 152	Re: VIN question Here is my 66 tag. I do remember seeing repro tags on ebay with the model numbers pre stamped. There are blanks that pop up now and then. http://www.classicdatatags.com/1965-...nd-trucks.html Attached Images

12-31-2017, 08:07 PM	#16
rideblue00 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lambertville, MI Posts: 1,854	Re: VIN question ive been digging a little. the 1 seems to denote year?...1961 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=463671

12-31-2017, 08:20 PM	#17
rideblue00 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lambertville, MI Posts: 1,854	Re: VIN question i know you said its a 65, but that tag is weird. anything ive seen says that the first digit denotes year. My vin does not have a number before the c and ill bet most others do not either. http://www.oeltd.net/doc/6066gmc/VINs/gmc-canada.htm http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...1&d=1202233538 Last edited by rideblue00; 12-31-2017 at 08:27 PM.

12-31-2017, 08:38 PM	#18
rideblue00 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lambertville, MI Posts: 1,854	Re: VIN question http://www.47287chevytrucks.com/pg1.html

12-31-2017, 09:47 PM	#19
rideblue00 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lambertville, MI Posts: 1,854	Re: VIN question Are repro tags even legal...



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12-31-2017, 11:38 PM	#20
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: VIN question Probably not but I think the discussion is about the guys VIN (is it real etc) not the legality. Then we will digress into posting laws from various states and making grand statements about what is legal. Personally I'd like to stay away from that and discuss what is real, repoped,faked or whatever on this guys truck, but that's just me. __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

01-01-2018, 02:36 AM	#21
1966 K10 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Rainier, WA Posts: 152	Re: VIN question all three together Attached Images

01-01-2018, 08:19 AM	#22
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: VIN question Here is the VIN thread I was talking about earlier. http://www.67-72chevytrucks.com/vboa...d.php?t=316902 On the vehicle in question - why again can't you show the entire VIN plate? __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

01-01-2018, 02:02 PM	#24
oem4me Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 3,055	Re: VIN question Most VIN related questions I've seen are easily answered by simple research, but this one is perplexing. I'm no expert and have no answers, so I'll be watching how this evolves.

01-01-2018, 09:19 AM	#25
rideblue00 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Lambertville, MI Posts: 1,854	Re: VIN question That 1 at the beginning is weird. Do build sheets show the year of the vehicle? like 1965? Last edited by rideblue00; 01-01-2018 at 09:25 AM.

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