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**71CHEVYSHORTBED402** · 11-24-2017, 01:13 AM

This Camaro is like cheating. "The 427 cu in (7.0 l) was not available as a Regular Production Option (RPO). Several dealers, such as Baldwin-Motion, Dana, and Yenko, offered the 427 as a dealer-installed replacement for the factory-supplied 396 cid engine.".

Personally I lean Pontiac. Without the 427 SS thrown into the mix.

**truckster** · 11-24-2017, 01:35 AM

I'm a bit partial to the 67-68 Firebird, but I wouldn't mind having any of those in my garage. I have to throw in the Olds Cutlass as well - I just love the lines on that thing, and Olds motors were torque monsters.

ajviper · 11-24-2017, 01:42 AM

Definitely partial to the Chevrolet side of things. I wouldn't turn down a Pontiac though.

In The Ten Ring · 11-24-2017, 04:19 AM

1965 Chevy Impala

1971 Olds 442 W30 convertable

**special-K** · 11-24-2017, 07:06 AM

Everything performance GM built back then was awesome. These examples are of various years. I like them all, some more than others, but I put Pontiac on top purely out of being a bit more obscure, paired with GMCs, and offering one hell of a stout engine with a legacy. I like Chevy body styles across the board. '67 is my favorite Chevelle, but a Nova is what I'd own first. That is one Pontiac, Olds, & Buick didn't build a counter to. I especially dig the BOPs now that two out of three have been taken away from us and Buick does nothing exciting these days. The muscle cars I am into are '67-back when they were boxy family cars adapted to performance. In '68 the bodies were designed more with the performance models in mind with dressed down less power models available for families.

Killer Bee · 11-24-2017, 07:15 AM

Poncho Power!!

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Originally Posted by Killer Bee

I wouldn't call myself reformed, but my previous poncho was a 550hp 469cid..

pushed my little tin can through the traps around 120 in just under 12 sec

my first love though was a cutlass 350 rocket, lol..

and yes it was my dad's Oldsmobile..

4 engines and lots of youth lessons took me from mid 15's to high 13's

note the pickups trackside

Andy4639 · 11-24-2017, 07:15 AM

I'm ok with any of them but the 67-68 Camaro is my favorite hands down. I found my moms old 68 with 396 a couple years ago and it's looks as good as it did back new in 68. The guy who bought it has kept it inside all this time and only drives it in the Christmas parades in Newton Conover NC. In fact he lives about 5 miles from dad but he want sell it unfortunately. Not yet any way's!

flashed · 11-24-2017, 11:26 AM

I have had Chevy's ,Pontiacs ,Old's and Buick's and loved them all but have had at least 1 Trans Am since I was 17 and Im 55 now .My last Trans Am is currently looking for a new owner .Those old Buick's were pretty mean machines too.

Keith Seymore · 11-24-2017, 11:32 AM

Close call - I have one of each.

K

**Ol Blue K20** · 11-24-2017, 11:33 AM

Being the proud owner of a 70 SS LS6 Chevelle and a 71 Elkie. I voted Chevy but my love of the GM a bodies started with my moms 64 GTO tri power convertible. So I actually love em all.

CG · 11-24-2017, 11:47 AM

Im not really a brand guy even though most of the cars and trucks I have owned have been Chevy. Toss in a few Mopars and Fords too though. The only Pontiac I think we have ever owned is my honeys old Fiero.

As far as styling goes I really like the early GTO and the early Firebirds. If I was given the, here have a car, this GTO or this Chevelle? I think I would take the GTO. Same with Firebird over Camaro.

**mongocanfly** · 11-24-2017, 11:48 AM

I like the camaros but the chevelle is tops on my wish list..you listening santa? hint hint...

**special-K** · 11-24-2017, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol Blue K20

Being the proud owner of a 70 SS LS6 Chevelle and a 71 Elkie. I voted Chevy but my love of the GM a bodies started with my moms 64 GTO tri power convertible. So I actually love em all.

Nice pair Yeah you, not her. I was thinking the other day, if I could get an El Camino now, what year. I love each and every year. But right now what I think is the 68/69 SS396. It's the go between style. First step away from boxier but with same sort of grille/bumper arrangement as earlier 60s. And the last of the actual SS396s.

68Gold/white · 11-24-2017, 12:58 PM

There's nothing wrong with either.
I have the 77 Trans Am I bought new as a Senior in High School.
I also have one each 67 and 68 C-10's both LWB and 2WD, 68 is obviously the Golden, 67, very low optioned, but has factory AC.
None are in great shape, I'm working on that!!!

Gotenntitans · 11-24-2017, 01:08 PM

Close call for me. I had a 73 Chevelle in high school and that was a fun car to drive. I wish I still had it!!! I sold it to buy an 87 Camaro after high school and THAT was one of the big mistakes of my life. Camaro was not a good car and I had trouble with it often.

My uncle had a 65 GTO convertible that I remember riding in as a young kid. He could make it squeal tires shifting into third gear out on the highway. THAT was one bad a$$ car! He sold it to a guy in Dallas back in 1990 or so. I like to think it's been restored and is still on the road. GTT

**FleetsidePaul** · 11-24-2017, 01:52 PM

To me. It's like asking, Do I want a blonde or a brunette.

It's just a matter of which one I can manage to get to go home with me.

I've never owned a Pontiac. I've tried to. I really wanted a 69 GTO that this guy had. But we couldn't make the deal.

If I had a second chance. I'd go GTO. Maybe because it was the one that got away.

Coley · 11-24-2017, 03:40 PM

Well, I think have to go with Pontiacs.
I always thought the firebirds were better looking cars with that pontiac nose.
The camaro's are so darn common in comparison...I think I appreciate the lower production numbers of the firebir a bit more...plus it seems every camaro is now updated and rebadged as an SS-396...literally seems like 90% of them now.
It would be nice if the guys kept the original 327's and 350's in them...rather than big block default.
As for the GTO, again....yep, a better looking car in the later 60's than the Chevelle, although the 66' and 67' Chevelles were a nice, smaller tidy looking car....those I like for sure.

My two bits.
Coley

**71CHEVYSHORTBED402** · 11-25-2017, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

Close call - I have one of each.

K

My son has to see this. That's his favorite car and that GTO is NICE!

**GOPAPA** · 11-25-2017, 08:06 PM

I am Chevy all the way,, always felt the Pontiacs were second to anything Chevy ,,I like them as Family ,,but the Camaro is true blood to me ..

**special-K** · 11-25-2017, 08:30 PM

Take the legendary GTO and stuff it into GM's first pony car body and what do you get?
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So cool that the grille is the bumper and the slotted tail lights like a GTO

**truckster** · 11-25-2017, 11:34 PM

Special-K, I had to wipe the drool off my keyboard. I love the 67-68 Firebirds, especially the convertibles. My "one that got away" story involves a 68 Firebird convertible I passed on because it had a Chevy 350 in it... Wish I had that one to do over.

**davischevy** · 11-25-2017, 11:40 PM

I love all the corporate brands, GS, 442 and GTO, all the A bodies, but you mentioned big block. For some reason I have never owned one.

I've had and have more Chevelles than anything.

I've had this Chevelle 29 years this weekend. I've had the Corvette 15 years, but whatever, they are in my will.

Both are matching number LS5 engines and loaded including A/C.

**71CHEVYSHORTBED402** · 11-26-2017, 12:40 AM

Less old classics I'm no fan of blue. That blue 68(?) Firebird is beautiful........Big fan of the classic Firebirds on fat rear tires. Sorry Camaro fans, the Firebird body was just better, and GTO all over Chevelle no contest

That Corvette is remarkable. I bought a 72 Malibu in 1994-95, yellow with white interior and top. Sure drove nicely down the highway, and only 62K when I got it. The car had a few issues though, including rust. Didn't want two classics at the time anyhow, and my truck stays

67swb72klb · 11-26-2017, 12:49 AM

Hands down 69 T/A

**special-K** · 11-26-2017, 07:34 AM

Nothing wrong with a 67/68 Camaro either. I did notice looking for pictures it's hard to find one that hasn't been done pro-touring or autocross.... modified for contemporary tastes rather than respected for the classics they are. They don't need much changing to look badass

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Chevrolet Camaro & Chevelle	27	36.99%
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Close call	18	24.66%
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11-24-2017, 01:13 AM	#1
71CHEVYSHORTBED402 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 7,120	Chevrolet or Pontiac? This Camaro is like cheating. "The 427 cu in (7.0 l) was not available as a Regular Production Option (RPO). Several dealers, such as Baldwin-Motion, Dana, and Yenko, offered the 427 as a dealer-installed replacement for the factory-supplied 396 cid engine.". Personally I lean Pontiac. Without the 427 SS thrown into the mix. Attached Images __________________ Tony 71 Custom Deluxe, SWB, 2WD, 402, A/C. I developed an assm. guide "kit" for restoring it from ground up. With assys, the guide accts for 1000s of OEM identifications and part numbers, all written in short order. 700+ images include assm, illust., charts, and points of interest. Much of the info. applies to all 67-72 GM trucks, and to a lessor degree all 67-72 GM vehicles. My build thread, and more on the guide https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=730025

11-24-2017, 01:35 AM	#2
truckster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 7,798	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? I'm a bit partial to the 67-68 Firebird, but I wouldn't mind having any of those in my garage. I have to throw in the Olds Cutlass as well - I just love the lines on that thing, and Olds motors were torque monsters. __________________ I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson

11-24-2017, 01:42 AM	#3
ajviper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lakewood, Colorado Posts: 90	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Definitely partial to the Chevrolet side of things. I wouldn't turn down a Pontiac though. __________________ Chevy Runs Deep. 1956 210 LS1 TH350 3.31 Posi 12 Bolt 1969 Z/28 5.3 T56 3.73 Posi 12 Bolt 1973 Nova SS 355 TH350 2.73 Posi 12 Bolt 2000 K2500 Suburban LS 6.0 4L80 3.73 G80 2005 K2500HD CCSB LS 6.0 4L80 4.10 G80 2010 2SS/RS Camaro LS3 T56 Aqua Blue Metallic

11-24-2017, 04:19 AM	#4
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11-24-2017, 07:06 AM	#5
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Everything performance GM built back then was awesome. These examples are of various years. I like them all, some more than others, but I put Pontiac on top purely out of being a bit more obscure, paired with GMCs, and offering one hell of a stout engine with a legacy. I like Chevy body styles across the board. '67 is my favorite Chevelle, but a Nova is what I'd own first. That is one Pontiac, Olds, & Buick didn't build a counter to. I especially dig the BOPs now that two out of three have been taken away from us and Buick does nothing exciting these days. The muscle cars I am into are '67-back when they were boxy family cars adapted to performance. In '68 the bodies were designed more with the performance models in mind with dressed down less power models available for families. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

11-24-2017, 07:15 AM	#7
Andy4639 Old member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Liberty, & Garden City S.C. , U.S. Posts: 19,936	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? I'm ok with any of them but the 67-68 Camaro is my favorite hands down. I found my moms old 68 with 396 a couple years ago and it's looks as good as it did back new in 68. The guy who bought it has kept it inside all this time and only drives it in the Christmas parades in Newton Conover NC. In fact he lives about 5 miles from dad but he want sell it unfortunately. Not yet any way's! Attached Images __________________ 1971 LWB Custom, 6.0LS & 4L80E, Speedhut.com GPS speedometer & gauges with A/C. 20" Boss 338's Grey wheels 4 wheel disc brakes. My Driver Seeing the USA in a 71 Upstate SC GM Truck Club 2013,14 and 2016 Hot Rod Pour Tour http://upstategmtrucks.com/ Get out and drive the truck this summer and have some fun! It sucks not being able to hear! LWB trucks rule, if you don't think so measure your SWB! After talking to tech support at Air Lift I have found out that the kit I need is 60811. Per the measurements I gave them. Ride height of truck inside spring and inside diameter of springs.

11-24-2017, 11:26 AM	#8
flashed Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: canton ga Posts: 12,729	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? I have had Chevy's ,Pontiacs ,Old's and Buick's and loved them all but have had at least 1 Trans Am since I was 17 and Im 55 now .My last Trans Am is currently looking for a new owner .Those old Buick's were pretty mean machines too.

11-24-2017, 11:32 AM	#9
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11-24-2017, 11:33 AM	#10
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11-24-2017, 11:47 AM	#11
CG BlahBlahBlah Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Monroe, Wa. Posts: 19,781	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Im not really a brand guy even though most of the cars and trucks I have owned have been Chevy. Toss in a few Mopars and Fords too though. The only Pontiac I think we have ever owned is my honeys old Fiero. As far as styling goes I really like the early GTO and the early Firebirds. If I was given the, here have a car, this GTO or this Chevelle? I think I would take the GTO. Same with Firebird over Camaro. __________________ … … … … … … … … ... … … … … … … … … … … … Monroe Swap meet May 18-19. Mike has the same spots for the NW guys he's had forever. Lunch time BBQ at the spaces. If you have stuff to sell bring it along. If you have a question PM stllookn (Mike) here via the board. https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=851291

11-24-2017, 11:48 AM	#12
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11-24-2017, 12:58 PM	#14
68Gold/white Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Ark City, Kansas Posts: 3,280	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? There's nothing wrong with either. I have the 77 Trans Am I bought new as a Senior in High School. I also have one each 67 and 68 C-10's both LWB and 2WD, 68 is obviously the Golden, 67, very low optioned, but has factory AC. None are in great shape, I'm working on that!!!

11-24-2017, 01:08 PM	#15
Gotenntitans Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Camden, Arkansas Posts: 975	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Close call for me. I had a 73 Chevelle in high school and that was a fun car to drive. I wish I still had it!!! I sold it to buy an 87 Camaro after high school and THAT was one of the big mistakes of my life. Camaro was not a good car and I had trouble with it often. My uncle had a 65 GTO convertible that I remember riding in as a young kid. He could make it squeal tires shifting into third gear out on the highway. THAT was one bad a$$ car! He sold it to a guy in Dallas back in 1990 or so. I like to think it's been restored and is still on the road. GTT __________________ GoTennTitans 1987 GMC Sierra 1990 GMC Sierra (stolen) 2003 Chevy Silverado

11-24-2017, 01:52 PM	#16
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11-24-2017, 03:40 PM	#17
Coley Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Victoria, B.C Posts: 3,794	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Well, I think have to go with Pontiacs. I always thought the firebirds were better looking cars with that pontiac nose. The camaro's are so darn common in comparison...I think I appreciate the lower production numbers of the firebir a bit more...plus it seems every camaro is now updated and rebadged as an SS-396...literally seems like 90% of them now. It would be nice if the guys kept the original 327's and 350's in them...rather than big block default. As for the GTO, again....yep, a better looking car in the later 60's than the Chevelle, although the 66' and 67' Chevelles were a nice, smaller tidy looking car....those I like for sure. My two bits. Coley __________________ ....for some men, there is experience, skill and effort....for the others...there is visa and UPS LOL 1966 Chevy 1/2 ton (Florida- Red/white) 1972 Chevy 1/2 ton (California- Blue/white) 2005 Chevy Silverado HD2500/Duramax 2000 Dodge Ram 1500

11-25-2017, 08:06 PM	#19
GOPAPA "Tail Gate Best Seat In House" Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nampa Idaho Posts: 7,354	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? I am Chevy all the way,, always felt the Pontiacs were second to anything Chevy ,,I like them as Family ,,but the Camaro is true blood to me .. __________________ When you learn a thing a day you store up smart.

11-25-2017, 08:30 PM	#20
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Take the legendary GTO and stuff it into GM's first pony car body and what do you get? So cool that the grille is the bumper and the slotted tail lights like a GTO __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

11-25-2017, 11:34 PM	#21
truckster Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 7,798	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Special-K, I had to wipe the drool off my keyboard. I love the 67-68 Firebirds, especially the convertibles. My "one that got away" story involves a 68 Firebird convertible I passed on because it had a Chevy 350 in it... Wish I had that one to do over. __________________ I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson

11-25-2017, 11:40 PM	#22
davischevy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Harrison, Arkansas Posts: 9,790	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? I love all the corporate brands, GS, 442 and GTO, all the A bodies, but you mentioned big block. For some reason I have never owned one. I've had and have more Chevelles than anything. I've had this Chevelle 29 years this weekend. I've had the Corvette 15 years, but whatever, they are in my will. Both are matching number LS5 engines and loaded including A/C. Attached Images __________________ other Larry Build thread, Arkansas K10 https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...=755797&page=5 The ability to speak several languages is an asset, but the ability to keep your mouth shut in any language is priceless.

11-26-2017, 12:40 AM	#23
71CHEVYSHORTBED402 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 7,120	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Less old classics I'm no fan of blue. That blue 68(?) Firebird is beautiful........Big fan of the classic Firebirds on fat rear tires. Sorry Camaro fans, the Firebird body was just better, and GTO all over Chevelle no contest That Corvette is remarkable. I bought a 72 Malibu in 1994-95, yellow with white interior and top. Sure drove nicely down the highway, and only 62K when I got it. The car had a few issues though, including rust. Didn't want two classics at the time anyhow, and my truck stays __________________ Tony 71 Custom Deluxe, SWB, 2WD, 402, A/C. I developed an assm. guide "kit" for restoring it from ground up. With assys, the guide accts for 1000s of OEM identifications and part numbers, all written in short order. 700+ images include assm, illust., charts, and points of interest. Much of the info. applies to all 67-72 GM trucks, and to a lessor degree all 67-72 GM vehicles. My build thread, and more on the guide https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=730025 Last edited by 71CHEVYSHORTBED402; 11-26-2017 at 12:47 AM.

11-26-2017, 12:49 AM	#24
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11-26-2017, 07:34 AM	#25
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,863	Re: Chevrolet or Pontiac? Nothing wrong with a 67/68 Camaro either. I did notice looking for pictures it's hard to find one that hasn't been done pro-touring or autocross.... modified for contemporary tastes rather than respected for the classics they are. They don't need much changing to look badass Attached Images __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

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