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Old 03-27-2018, 06:00 AM   #26
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

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Attach top of cylinder to an engine hoist. Then unbolt the floor flange. Next lift the post out of floor.

The actual cylinder is small. What you're seeing is the post, like a sleeve, around th cylinder. Once that's out then you can go after th cylinder
You can't do better than the voice of experience. Good luck with the process. I have no experience, so I'll say that screw's purpose is.... never mind, get the "real" answer. You don't need any more "internet" answers
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:20 PM   #27
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

Removing that bolt starts the countdown for the auto-destruct sequence.
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Old 03-28-2018, 12:02 AM   #28
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

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You can't do better than the vice of experience. Good luck with the process. I have no experience, so I'll say that screw's purpose is.... never mind, get the "real" answer. You don't need any more "internet" answers
Appreciate the help of those that know and those that really know

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Removing that bolt starts the countdown for the auto-destruct sequence.
I have not removed it yet(waiting on reply from 68C15) to get the OK... so we are all safe for now.

Had I asked before seeing if my little compressor would lift it, I would not be worrying about lowering or removing it
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:23 AM   #29
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

I did start a tell on yourself thread you know . I'm going there to confess "an instance" shortly.
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

Never told the end of this story...

Son stops by(to go eat of course) and I am standing there looking at this tower of metal poking thru my floor. He asks if I have sprayed WD-40 on it....well of course I did. So he is ready to go eat, so I go to wash up. While I am in the bathroom he squirts DAWN dish soap all the way around the cylinder...

We get back from eating and my shiny post is GONE! Dish soap! No pushing, pulling, jumping...nothing, but DISH SOAP!

Who would of ever thought....
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Old 06-22-2018, 05:20 AM   #31
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

Like pulling a stuck ring off your finger! We all could have figured that out, but I guess we were stuck on the lack of weight being the cause. That Dawn, she sure is a handy gal. Is it really all that different from all the rest? I'm a big user. I have that next to the Fast Orange hand cleaner at my utility sink and I can't tell you when I last used the orange to wash greasy hands. Dawn does the trick. I keep a short bottle with my paint gear for washing brushes. And any time I touch poison ivy I go wash with it within 20 minutes and no itchy itchy bumps. And now I know it's good for lubing a shaft to slide in a hole better!
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And now I know it's good for lubing a shaft to slide in a hole better!
Just going to say... Dawn may not be OK to use on ALL shafts.
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:18 AM   #33
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

well, you found the solution before I saw your thread, glad you figured it out..

the friction of the packing and seals in an old hoist that hasn't moved in years is going to be tight..

pressurizing it with air instead of hydraulic fluid furthers the friction without the lubrication of the oil surrounding the packing..

I was looking for some references to post to help you and found this;

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...ad.php?t=45725

PLEASE READ POST #16 before you do anymore experimenting.. and take note of his job title and company..

https://standardus.com/contact_us.html looks to be only a couple of hours from you

my advice would be to locate as much information about the hoist system and call a lift company for assistance..

good luck!
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Just going to say... Dawn may not be OK to use on ALL shafts.
lol.....point noted.


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Just going to say... Dawn may not be OK to use on ALL shafts.
Such as...
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LOL.... good try, but I AM NOT going there

Maybe someone else can type it out for ya ...lol
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Old 06-26-2018, 05:53 AM   #37
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

Well ok then. I'll just keep wondering. Glad Dawn was able to help. There's magic in them bottles.
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

wow! I don't post from my experience or dig up references for recognition but I must say I'm a little stunned..

juvenile banter about lubing pole and no mention of a very serious underlying danger in the op's garage..

well, I would at least feel more comfortable knowing he received the warning, whether heeded or not..

I've worked with hoists for decades and written several specs for hoist installation / demo work and quite familiar with them..

I'll leave this from a very reliable and local source in hopes it's taken more serious, good luck with your building..

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juvenile banter about lubing pole and no mention of a very serious underlying danger in the op's garage..

...well, I would at least feel more comfortable knowing he received the warning, whether heeded or not..
Did working on hoists for decades kill your ADULT sense of humor? Just a reminder that the average person will not know about a thing that which one who has specialized in that thing for decades will know. Do you really think this info is common knowledge we have ignored yet chose to joke about instead?? I'm shocked you are shocked, and that with as often as you come here and post you never saw the title pertaining to your expertise and were the one to warn.

I am far from juvenile, and I know most of us here are as well. I am a mature responsible adult who has never lost his inner child. That thing so many lost and now wish they had a little piece of before they got lost in the hustle bustle. I consciously maintained this quality, as when I was young I knew I did not want to become what I saw in so many grown ups. I figured as long as I was responsible, put my family first, and was a man of my word no one had a right to criticize how I chose to live my life.
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

do I play on the internet? sure I do, when the work is done.. very healthy sense of humor, keyword healthy..

point is, op returned to his thread after I pointed out some REAL danger he may still not be aware of..

me personally, I would pay attention to that warning and acknowledge it was received, then go back to play..

as for my awareness of his thread three months ago, well, I can't see everything, NOT my job HERE..

for simple comparison, you're averaging 4500 posts per year to my 500, maybe you should have pm'd me?

in reference to the potential hidden energy in large hydraulic cylinders, I had an approx. 18" x 6' cylinder in the shop..

laying on its side, ported a little shop air into the cap end to extend it for inspection..

the red shop towel that was in the rod end port shot up through the aluminum ceiling paneling..

not sure how difficult it is to drive a cotton towel through a piece of sheet aluminum but damn glad no one was in its path..

I've worked with high pressure hydraulic systems upwards of 7200psi frequently in the past..

didn't complete retirement number one and graduate to supervision in my second by ignoring warnings..

I've been touched personally by several deaths in my trade, really hate to see one here that could be prevented..
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

The joking about lubing shafts and holes came after the fact, after the cylinder lowered safely, BTW. And OP hasn't posted a thing since your warning. You came with that after he came back. Scroll up, you'll see.

I, and I'm sure all the rest, certainly appreciate your warning and will take heed from this point forward. No one is ignoring anything here. I would not have needed to PM you had I known what you have just brought to the thread. I certainly would have been one to do as you did, without the assumptive condescending comments. The obvious fact is, the rest of us who were joking about it did not know such danger existed, so therefore gave no warning. Very simple. I'm sure I know things you don't and I'm happy to share when the opportunity arises. I don't expect to know everything others do, and visa-versa. But, I do know what I know by observation, listening, reading, and contemplation. Thanks for the education. It all makes sense what you say, but honestly never gave the air pressure over hydraulic involved a thought. I don't think I even offered a solution because I don't pretend to know things I have no experience with. And at the opposite end of the spectrum I sit ignorant of things concerning auto lifts, as I have never worked as a mechanic, owned my own lift, or operated one other than lowering at a friend's request.
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

my first post 33 on 6/22, op last post 36 6/25

poor choice of words perhaps, nothing deriding intended

I'm guilty of not taking my own advice - don't take the internet too seriously

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The joking about lubing shafts and holes came after the fact, after the cylinder lowered safely, BTW. And OP hasn't posted a thing since your warning. You came with that after he came back. Scroll up, you'll see.

I, and I'm sure all the rest, certainly appreciate your warning and will take heed from this point forward. No one is ignoring anything here. I would not have needed to PM you had I known what you have just brought to the thread. I certainly would have been one to do as you did, without the assumptive condescending comments. The obvious fact is, the rest of us who were joking about it did not know such danger existed, so therefore gave no warning. Very simple. I'm sure I know things you don't and I'm happy to share when the opportunity arises. I don't expect to know everything others do, and visa-versa. But, I do know what I know by observation, listening, reading, and contemplation. Thanks for the education. It all makes sense what you say, but honestly never gave the air pressure over hydraulic involved a thought. I don't think I even offered a solution because I don't pretend to know things I have no experience with. And at the opposite end of the spectrum I sit ignorant of things concerning auto lifts, as I have never worked as a mechanic, owned my own lift, or operated one other than lowering at a friend's request.
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my first post 33 on 6/22, op last post 36 6/25

poor choice of words perhaps, nothing deriding intended

I'm guilty of not taking my own advice - don't take the internet too seriously

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WD-40 is mostly kerosene..... not the best lubricant for such a task....
who would have thought that Dawn would show up at the crack and do the trick....
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Re: Lift Cylinder Stuck...

Yeah, I'm good. No grudges ever held here, even if I do get mad at someone, which I didn't. Mostly trying to show there is nothing to suggest anyone here is not taking heed in this after the fact warning. The fact that Dustmaker65, or anyone else, didn't acknowledge the warning in print doesn't say warnings were ignored. The problem was already solved before the warning is another thing, and once it was solved is when the "adult" banter began. Killer Bee is a good guy. Sorry it was all workedout in the thread the way it was
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