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Old 10-18-2017, 11:04 PM   #1
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1958 Apache Help

Hello everyone. First post here and looking for some help. I finally found my dream truck and now the fun (education) begins. It's mostly stock, except a 350 engine, and has some rust on both doors in the usual spot...all along the bottom and a little that has been "repaired" by the previous owner on the cab corners. Can these doors be reskinned? I was lucky enough to find a fleetside bed for sale so I plan on swapping that out. There are probably threads on what can be done to lower it, new front clip (Mustang II vs Camaro??) but I'd like to hear what some of the recent projects have used please. I'd like to have power steering, new steering wheel, disc breaks, convert to automatic transmission, new seats (from what?/fits?). What about the rear end lowering if I were to drop the front do I just need to flip the springs? I'm sure I'll have a more questions so I hope I've come to the right place. Thanks, Rob.
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:24 PM   #2
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welcome..I bet its hard to drive upside down..haha..your in the right place to find all you need to know
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:41 PM   #3
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Welcome to the forum Rob

There's a lot of ways to skin a cat, I suggest looking through the build threads. I used a Nova front sub up front and the TCI rear flip kit out back. I won't be bombing any cloverleafs with my truck but overall it rides and drives like a car, smooth and predictable. There's a lot of options to consider and guys here are happy to discuss the pros and cons of the various kits, subframe swaps etc... A lot will depend on your budget and skill set.
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:45 PM   #4
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welcome..I bet its hard to drive upside down..haha..your in the right place to find all you need to know
I had to look to see if he was from Australia...

Nice truck BTW
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Old 10-19-2017, 12:13 AM   #5
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I had to look to see if he was from Australia...

Nice truck BTW
Thanks...not sure why the picture posted upside down? I guess that could be my first lesson on how to post here. ??
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Old 10-19-2017, 01:02 AM   #6
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I have never tried to upload directly to the forum, let's see what happens...
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Old 10-19-2017, 01:07 AM   #7
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I rotated your pic and uploaded it, hmmmmm...
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Old 10-19-2017, 05:54 AM   #8
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Good morning RostaRob
I to have a 58 Fleetside project,but mine is in the final stages.I have done all the mod you are talking about,I will post some pictures latter today.And you are welcome to come talk and take a look,It's just a short trip down the gorge
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Old 10-19-2017, 09:28 AM   #9
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Old 10-19-2017, 09:29 AM   #10
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Old 10-19-2017, 09:54 AM   #11
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looks like a great start there rosta. nice to see it right side up, thanks blacksheep

how low do you wanna go? lower means more ,mods gotta be done so rear axle doesn't bottom on frame.

thinking about a fuel injection upgrade as well, possibly?
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Good morning RostaRob
I to have a 58 Fleetside project,but mine is in the final stages.I have done all the mod you are talking about,I will post some pictures latter today.And you are welcome to come talk and take a look,It's just a short trip down the gorge
Thanks...I may just take you up on that some weekend. I'd be very interested in seeing you pictures from your build also. Rob.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:14 PM   #13
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TCI "flip" kit, other than welding the spring perches it was an easy bolt on. The one drawback is the non-adjustable static ride height.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:34 PM   #14
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Thanks Black Shhep. I posted some more photos course but they also showed up as upside down.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:42 PM   #15
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looks like a great start there rosta. nice to see it right side up, thanks blacksheep

how low do you wanna go? lower means more ,mods gotta be done so rear axle doesn't bottom on frame.

thinking about a fuel injection upgrade as well, possibly?
I only want to drop 2 or 3 inches and keep the mods to a minimum. Basically I'm looking for a smooth ride with power steering and disc brakes.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:44 PM   #16
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TCI "flip" kit, other than welding the spring perches it was an easy bolt on. The one drawback is the non-adjustable static ride height.
I'd be ok with a static ride height. How much does this drop the rear?
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:52 PM   #17
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I'd be ok with a static ride height. How much does this drop the rear?
It's a 4" drop

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Old 10-19-2017, 11:22 PM   #18
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you could mock up a 4" drop using wood blocking to see what you like and also what room that will leave you above the axle on your unit. you need at least 3" above the axle so the suspension doesn't bottom out over speed bumps etc. I recommend using one of those beehive suspension snubbers found on newer vehicle, like those found on a newer chevy truck. look up GM P/N 15712438 it's rear bump stops off a '99-'06 Silverado 1500
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Old 10-22-2017, 09:33 PM   #19
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Re: 1958 Apache Help

This may be a dumb question but I was wondering if someone could enlighten me on something? Before I start this project does anyone think it would interfere with whatever route I go with lowering my truck (with power steering, disc brakes etc)if I were to swap out the steering wheel (column shift) and transmission to automatic? I have recently had some knee operations and want to make it easier to drive around in the meantime but not if it's going to make things more difficult later on in the build. Any recommendations if I were to do this now? Cost? Thanks in advance. Rob
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Old 10-22-2017, 09:45 PM   #20
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Automatic swaps are a common mod, even on the lowest of vehicles
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Old 10-22-2017, 09:51 PM   #21
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Automatic swaps are a common mod, even on the lowest of vehicles
Thanks Black Sheep....but are there any issues with a new steering wheel now considering I may install a different front suspension...MustangII or Camaro flip?
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:03 PM   #22
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A steering column swap is more or less a necessity with suspension and steering upgrades. Shafts, u-joints and other parts you would need are all redily available
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the column and wheel, from the firewall into the cab,should be unaffected by the height of the vehicle.the automatic swap shouldn't change anything either once you start the drop. a cable operated style shifter would help because it is unaffected by stuff like body to frame height.
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I have never tried to upload directly to the forum, let's see what happens...
Hey Black Sheep how much of a drop is this?
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Old Yesterday, 10:24 PM   #25
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I've decide to make my first upgrade and swap the manual transmission for a automatic. Can anyone recommend a decent swap? I think I've read that the 7004R would be a good match. I have a 350 engine and am looking for some help. Thanks. Rob
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