The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network







Register or Log In To remove these advertisements.

Go Back   The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network > 47 - Current classic GM Trucks > The 1967 - 1972 Chevrolet & GMC Pickups Message Board

Web 67-72chevytrucks.com


 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
Old 09-13-2017, 01:42 PM   #26
RichardJ
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 1,409
Re: HEI issues?

from above
>>If the resistance wire from the ignition switch to the distributor is still being used then he won't have 12v. Likely nearer 7v which causes undue heat in the module.<<

Absolutely and completely false.

To begin, you should be starting with 14Volts, not 12v, assuming you have a working alternator.
That dreaded ballast or ignition resistor wire measures 1.6 Ohms. (1.8 ohms on the inline six)
If you would insert an Ammeter in the B+ wire feeding YOUR HEI, if it is an original GM HEI, you will measure 1-2 AMPS. GM actually list it as 2 Amps in some spec sheets and sometimes 1.5 Amps.

OHm's Law states; Voltage = Current x Resistance

This will give you Voltage drop across the Resistance Wire. I.E. the voltage you are fearfull of losing from the 14Volt supply voltage.

The dreaded 1.6 ohms X GM's 2 Amps = 3.2 Volts dropped across the resistance wire. MAX

14 Volts - 3.2 Volts = 10.8 Volts at the HEI BAT terminal.

In reality the stock HEI with stock coil will draw less than 2 Amps and through an original resistance wire you will still have between 11 and 12 volts at the HEI Bat terminal.

It is also true that the stock HEI when supplied with anything from 8-16 Volts will still supply adequate secondary voltage from idle to 6,000 rpm.

A points ignition and a HEI ignition are both called Induction Ignition systems.

You need to understand that the 10V or 12V or even 14V flowing through the ignition coil does not generate the secondary voltage that fires the spark plug.
12volts flowing through a primary winding of the ignition coil generates a magnetic field around the primary and secondary windings.
It isn't the 12Volt generated magnetic field that causes current to flow through the secondary winding to the plugs.

IT"S WHEN YOU REMOVE THE 12 VOLTS.

When the points open and the 12 volts stops pushing current through the coil, The magnetic field COLLAPSES. When the magnetic field collapses. it generates as much as 300 Volts across the primary winding. This voltage is called Back EMF.
Coil advertisements often include information such as a winding ratio of 100:1

300 primary volts X 100 = 30,000 secondary volts, potentially. When the 20k-30k is being generated in the secondary winding, you do not have 12 volts on the primary winding, you have 200-300 Volts.

That arcing you see across the points on a points ignition isn't the 12 volts, it's the 200-300 volts looking for a place to go. Most of it goes into the condenser and later discharged when the points close again.

The points ignition can't maintain dwell time as rpm increases. The magnetic field doesn't have enough time to be fully saturated and the 300 volt number drops.

The point closed is the Dwell time and is mechanically linked to the points open time by the shape of the lobe.
That's where the HEI comes in. It can control dwell time at higher rpm.

If you don't understand any of that above, you should stop expounding the crap about having to have a FULL 12VOLTS for the HEI.
If you're going racing that's a different story. You should know that there are circletrack racers out there that run a racing HEI without an alternator. Starting a race with 12.5 battery voltage, they still have plenty of high rpm ignition, 40 laps later when the Bat may have dropped below 10 volts.

For the street, I can tell you I installed a coil-in-cap HEI in my truck more that 25 years ago. 10 years ago when I installed the AC, I switched it to an external coil HEI. The original Resistor Wire is still in place. I read 11 Volts at the distributor. The truck gets 15-16 mpg on the highway and it can run 70-75 mph for a couple hours at a time and never skip a beat.
__________________
'67 GMC 2500, 292, 4spd, AC
RichardJ is offline   Reply With Quote
 

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1997-2022 67-72chevytrucks.com