14 10.5" Bolt Locker - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Fixwhataintbroke · 02-01-2013, 02:52 AM

Anybody have any experience with Powertrax lockers? I'm looking to install one in my 14 bolt on the 79 to help it out a little bit when conditions deteriorate, and want to make sure it's decent and will hold up.

LONGHAIR · 02-01-2013, 08:37 PM

Not specifically in a 14bolt, but I have installed a few of them. They go in easily and hold up well. Be aware that it will drive a bit different, especially in wet or snowy weather. Caution anyone that you let drive it about this too.

Mike C · 02-02-2013, 10:55 AM

Nothing wrong with the Powertrax and I have 3 LockRights myseld, but as far as full-float 14's go, that's the cheapest Detroit you can get which would make that a no-brainer.

jjzepplin · 02-02-2013, 11:26 AM

Subscribed. I think mine has a gov-loc and want to get info as well. 1973. Still working good but I heard them called gov-bomb before.

LONGHAIR · 02-02-2013, 01:57 PM

The ones in the 14 bolt seem to be better than their smaller versions. I have seen them break too, but not nearly as often. Gov-loc

Redcap · 02-02-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jjzepplin

Subscribed. I think mine has a gov-loc and want to get info as well. 1973. Still working good but I heard them called gov-bomb before.

They got that name for a reason. Fortunately, the 10.5" 14bolt Detroit is very inexpensive (as far as lockers go) and easy to install.

snj8198 · 02-02-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Redcap

They got that name for a reason. Fortunately, the 10.5" 14bolt Detroit is very inexpensive (as far as lockers go) and easy to install.

And now Yukon offers their Grizzly Locker for less than the Detroit. Side by side they are same design. Stuck one in the rear of mine. It's tough and a snap to install.

Redcap · 02-03-2013, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by snj8198

And now Yukon offers their Grizzly Locker for less than the Detroit. Side by side they are same design. Stuck one in the rear of mine. It's tough and a snap to install.

Good to know!

Mike C · 02-03-2013, 10:24 AM

I'm pretty sure if you do have a Gov-Bomb in your FF 14 you will need to buy an open case to install any of the drop-in Lockers including the Detroit or Grizzly. Which means changing the case will require you to measure and possibly adjust the backlash on the ring gear as well. It will also require swapping out the carrier bearings which adds a different level of complication to the swap.

jjzepplin · 02-03-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike C

I'm pretty sure if you do have a Gov-Bomb in your FF 14 you will need to buy an open case to install any of the drop-in Lockers including the Detroit or Grizzly. Which means changing the case will require you to measure and possibly adjust the backlash on the ring gear as well. It will also require swapping out the carrier bearings which adds a different level of complication to the swap.

You might be right. That thing looks like a cone shaped deal with a screen in two holes of the surface. Weird. Can't see any spider gears or anything.

Mike C · 02-03-2013, 08:25 PM

That's what the open case looks like also BTW. You can't see the spiders just the spider gear shafts. I think the screen thing is what makes me think it's a Gov-Bomb. Give Google Images a shot and you'll see a bunch.

Also head over to Pirate4x4.com and check out the 14 bolt bible.

low67chevy · 02-04-2013, 09:32 PM

a open carrier will be a 4 pin carrier and a gov loc carrier will be a 3 pin, ive run the loc rite and liked it but for the money go grizzly or detroit.

jjzepplin · 02-07-2013, 03:45 PM

http://www.drivetrainamerica.com/p-7...px?cagpspn=plaLooking at the pics online, I believe I have the Eaton type posi. Seems pretty tough

jjzepplin · 02-07-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jjzepplin

http://www.drivetrainamerica.com/p-7...px?cagpspn=plalooking at the pics online, i believe i have the eaton type posi. Seems pretty tough

gov bomb?

Mike C · 02-08-2013, 08:56 PM

The aftermarket Eaton posi is different from the OEM Eaton Gov-Lok. The Gov-Lok, or Gov-Bomb as it is "affectionately" known uses gears, springs, and flyweights to apply pressure to the clutch packs. It is not truly a "locker" but a limited slip that functions as an open diff most of the team.

If you hammer on it alot and cause the mechanism to attempt to engage, you can strip gear teeth or otherwise cause it to come apart. It "blows up" like a bomb if you will.

Google Images for 14 bolt Gov-Lok and enjoy the carnage. With that said, the 14 bolt version is at least the strongest version. The 12 bolt one pretty much grenades when you look at it funny.

Fixwhataintbroke · 02-10-2013, 04:23 AM

Well it seems generally it looks favorable so, I do believe I'll order one up, sure would be nice to abolish the one wheel wonder. 10 year old balding tires + open diff, along with majority of the weight all sitting up front, just doesn't cut it when conditions worsen around here

. Would do tires first but for the brand I'm after, I'll stick with a detroit for now

low67chevy · 02-10-2013, 01:29 PM

good choice you will love it

jjzepplin · 02-11-2013, 09:16 AM

So to replace the Gov-Bomb I will need a carrier too? If so would an open carrier be a good choice and just buy the Detroit to go in it?

02-01-2013, 02:52 AM	#1
Fixwhataintbroke Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Graham, Wa. Posts: 192	14 10.5" Bolt Locker Anybody have any experience with Powertrax lockers? I'm looking to install one in my 14 bolt on the 79 to help it out a little bit when conditions deteriorate, and want to make sure it's decent and will hold up. __________________ - Cole 1979 Chevy C30 w/ carb 454. 1992 Chevy K1500 w/ tbi 350. Sold 1997 Dodge Ram 1500 w/ Magnum 360 Sold "Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from poor judgment." - George Washington

02-02-2013, 10:55 AM	#3
Mike C Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 7,709	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker Nothing wrong with the Powertrax and I have 3 LockRights myseld, but as far as full-float 14's go, that's the cheapest Detroit you can get which would make that a no-brainer. __________________ 44 Willys MB 52 M38A1 64 Corvette Coupe 68 Camaro 'vert LT1 & TH700 69 Z/28 355 12.6's @110 69 Chevy Short Step 4 1/2"/7" drop 72 Jimmy 4WD 4spd 4" & 35's 02 GMC 2500HD 4x4 Duramax

02-02-2013, 11:26 AM	#4
jjzepplin Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ruskin Florida Posts: 4,546	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker Subscribed. I think mine has a gov-loc and want to get info as well. 1973. Still working good but I heard them called gov-bomb before. __________________ 70 swb 4x4 406sbc 700r4 203/205 d60/14blt locker yadda yadda http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...88#post6935688 Yeller 72 Blazer 2wd conversion project "No Daggum Money" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=550804 LS1-T56 3.73 LSD super budget build Blanco-2014 Sierra SWB https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=810350

02-03-2013, 10:24 AM	#9
Mike C Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 7,709	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker I'm pretty sure if you do have a Gov-Bomb in your FF 14 you will need to buy an open case to install any of the drop-in Lockers including the Detroit or Grizzly. Which means changing the case will require you to measure and possibly adjust the backlash on the ring gear as well. It will also require swapping out the carrier bearings which adds a different level of complication to the swap. __________________ 44 Willys MB 52 M38A1 64 Corvette Coupe 68 Camaro 'vert LT1 & TH700 69 Z/28 355 12.6's @110 69 Chevy Short Step 4 1/2"/7" drop 72 Jimmy 4WD 4spd 4" & 35's 02 GMC 2500HD 4x4 Duramax

02-03-2013, 08:25 PM	#11
Mike C Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 7,709	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker That's what the open case looks like also BTW. You can't see the spiders just the spider gear shafts. I think the screen thing is what makes me think it's a Gov-Bomb. Give Google Images a shot and you'll see a bunch. Also head over to Pirate4x4.com and check out the 14 bolt bible. __________________ 44 Willys MB 52 M38A1 64 Corvette Coupe 68 Camaro 'vert LT1 & TH700 69 Z/28 355 12.6's @110 69 Chevy Short Step 4 1/2"/7" drop 72 Jimmy 4WD 4spd 4" & 35's 02 GMC 2500HD 4x4 Duramax

02-04-2013, 09:32 PM	#12
low67chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 91	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker a open carrier will be a 4 pin carrier and a gov loc carrier will be a 3 pin, ive run the loc rite and liked it but for the money go grizzly or detroit.

02-07-2013, 03:45 PM	#13
jjzepplin Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ruskin Florida Posts: 4,546	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker http://www.drivetrainamerica.com/p-7...px?cagpspn=plaLooking at the pics online, I believe I have the Eaton type posi. Seems pretty tough __________________ 70 swb 4x4 406sbc 700r4 203/205 d60/14blt locker yadda yadda http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...88#post6935688 Yeller 72 Blazer 2wd conversion project "No Daggum Money" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=550804 LS1-T56 3.73 LSD super budget build Blanco-2014 Sierra SWB https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=810350 Last edited by jjzepplin; 02-07-2013 at 03:57 PM.

02-08-2013, 08:56 PM	#15
Mike C Registered User Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 7,709	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker The aftermarket Eaton posi is different from the OEM Eaton Gov-Lok. The Gov-Lok, or Gov-Bomb as it is "affectionately" known uses gears, springs, and flyweights to apply pressure to the clutch packs. It is not truly a "locker" but a limited slip that functions as an open diff most of the team. If you hammer on it alot and cause the mechanism to attempt to engage, you can strip gear teeth or otherwise cause it to come apart. It "blows up" like a bomb if you will. Google Images for 14 bolt Gov-Lok and enjoy the carnage. With that said, the 14 bolt version is at least the strongest version. The 12 bolt one pretty much grenades when you look at it funny. __________________ 44 Willys MB 52 M38A1 64 Corvette Coupe 68 Camaro 'vert LT1 & TH700 69 Z/28 355 12.6's @110 69 Chevy Short Step 4 1/2"/7" drop 72 Jimmy 4WD 4spd 4" & 35's 02 GMC 2500HD 4x4 Duramax

02-10-2013, 04:23 AM	#16
Fixwhataintbroke Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Graham, Wa. Posts: 192	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker Well it seems generally it looks favorable so, I do believe I'll order one up, sure would be nice to abolish the one wheel wonder. 10 year old balding tires + open diff, along with majority of the weight all sitting up front, just doesn't cut it when conditions worsen around here . Would do tires first but for the brand I'm after, I'll stick with a detroit for now __________________ - Cole 1979 Chevy C30 w/ carb 454. 1992 Chevy K1500 w/ tbi 350. Sold 1997 Dodge Ram 1500 w/ Magnum 360 Sold "Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from poor judgment." - George Washington

02-10-2013, 01:29 PM	#17
low67chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kelowna BC Canada Posts: 91	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker good choice you will love it

02-11-2013, 09:16 AM	#18
jjzepplin Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ruskin Florida Posts: 4,546	Re: 14 10.5" Bolt Locker So to replace the Gov-Bomb I will need a carrier too? If so would an open carrier be a good choice and just buy the Detroit to go in it? __________________ 70 swb 4x4 406sbc 700r4 203/205 d60/14blt locker yadda yadda http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...88#post6935688 Yeller 72 Blazer 2wd conversion project "No Daggum Money" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=550804 LS1-T56 3.73 LSD super budget build Blanco-2014 Sierra SWB https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=810350



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