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Old 11-10-2019, 08:04 PM   #26
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There is something wrong with that distributor gear... just can not figure it out.... is it upside down ?

Added a pic of a SBC dizzy and see how the cam gear is....
It's covered in assembly lube and you're seeing the teeth that got damaged. Like I said, the gear is ACDelco 10456413. It's the right gear though.
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:05 PM   #27
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Gawd dayum you're right. How the hell did I do that?
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:12 PM   #28
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I have no idea what that distributor fits but it is not a small block chevy. Post a picture of the entire distributor. I think thats the answer to what happened.
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Gears on upside down.

Not the first time for that.
I pulled one new out of the box upside down.
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:17 PM   #29
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Gears on upside down.
I have no earthly idea how I did that or how I never caught it this whole time. This is one of those moments that you hate putting it online and gotta tuck your tail between your legs lol but we all make really stupid mistakes when working on cars. If anyone here says they haven't done something stupider, they are either lying or never worked on a car. One of those mistakes you'll never make again. Thanks everyone
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:25 PM   #30
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Pics say a thousand words, even if they are bad words..... glad you know what happened. move on....
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:35 PM   #31
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Gears on upside down.

Not the first time for that.
I pulled one new out of the box upside down.

If you pull a new one out the box right side up would it work ? LOL !!!!! just the gear was replaced not the entire dizzy....LOL!!!!!
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:49 PM   #32
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I’m talking complete new dizzy with the gear installed wrong.
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:26 PM   #33
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I have no earthly idea how I did that or how I never caught it this whole time. This is one of those moments that you hate putting it online and gotta tuck your tail between your legs lol but we all make really stupid mistakes when working on cars. If anyone here says they haven't done something stupider, they are either lying or never worked on a car. One of those mistakes you'll never make again. Thanks everyone
You outta write this one up for the rockauto.com newsletter. They have a special column in it just dedicated to blunders. I don't know if they give out any compensation for stories they print, but wow....I feel your pain. Way back in time, I once pressure washed a C-4 automatic tranny without the converter in it...yep water got in...yep ruined. We've all been there.
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:38 PM   #34
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I swapped it for a melonized steel gear from ACDelco part #10456413.
Unfortunately, you installed your new gear upside down.

Sorry, didn't read up far enough before I responded .... yeah, I've got a loooong list of upside down, backwards, wrong size, lost pieces confessions.
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Old 11-11-2019, 01:53 PM   #35
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Learn from your mistakes... I'm 51 and still learnin' too.

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Old 11-11-2019, 11:32 PM   #36
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Now that we know what went wrong, do you guys think that this lends itself more or less now to the cam being chewed up too bad to keep running it?
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:43 AM   #37
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I'd pull it and post up pics of it next. Youve gotten this far, so fix it right and don't just let this thread die. I say you gotta document the repairs too.
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Old 11-12-2019, 11:48 AM   #38
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I believe you indicated you loosen the oil pan and tried to remove it but could not based on the clearance to the frame. How confident are you on resealing the pan gasket with the clearance issue. Most of the time the oil pan will be a leaker, no one needs a leaker.
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:50 PM   #39
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Re: Need Advice! Do I Need a New Camshaft????

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Hopefully you have a hoist/crane to lift the block a bit to get the pan fully off and make room to do the gasket cleaning/replacement.

Now is a good time to find a camera and inspect your cam dist drive gear. Either that or pull it out.


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Old 11-13-2019, 08:48 PM   #40
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I set the dizzy in, lift and turn until the dizzy sets all the way down onto the intake manifold this telling me I am lined up with the oil pump....than I lift and turn the dizzy, by lifting the dizzy it turns the oil pump shaft just a bit because how the cam and dizzy gear is angled....NO NEED TO STICK ANYTHING IN THE ENGINE....or taking the hood off, laying on top of the engine with a light....none of that. simply lift and turn the dizzy a few times as you feel the oil pump shaft move with the movement lifting and turning of the dizzy...very easy to do once you understand what exactly you are doing. Get the number one piston up on TDC on compression stroke and point the dizzy to where the number one spark plug wire is...simple....no damage done !!


Where are the pics of the damage ?
If the oil pump shaft is in the wrong position the distributor is not going to sit all the way down facing the #1 plug without using something to turn the oil pump shaft.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:26 PM   #41
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If the oil pump shaft is in the wrong position the distributor is not going to sit all the way down facing the #1 plug without using something to turn the oil pump shaft.
I guess you didn't understand how I described how I do it.....my process works great for me, I use the dizzy to turn the oil pump shaft.... its the old lift and turn the rotor method, been doing it for years like back into the 60's.

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Old 11-14-2019, 07:09 PM   #42
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YoungPups method works perfect......If the the dist body is not seated tight on the intake you are not tight like prom night. The engine will run fine but NO oil pressure if you do it wrong.
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Old 11-15-2019, 04:57 PM   #43
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I guess you didn't understand how I described how I do it.....my process works great for me, I use the dizzy to turn the oil pump shaft.... its the old lift and turn the rotor method, been doing it for years like back into the 60's.
Not saying you are wrong because I never tried it but are you saying you can lift the distributor enough to get it out of the cam gear and then turn the rotor and move the oil pump shaft?
I always used a long screwdriver to turn the shaft.
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Old 11-15-2019, 08:16 PM   #44
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I just dont like telling people to stick a screw driver down into the engine. If this process works for you and you always used a screw driver to align the oil pump. Great stuff
But its Bad enough the dizzy gear gets installed wrong Plus bumping the starter to destroy the dizzy gear and maybe the cam gear. Cant imagine what could happen if something got dropped into the intake. Geee now what ?
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Old 11-15-2019, 10:57 PM   #45
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It's pretty hard to lose a 16" screwdriver down the distributor hole.
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:40 AM   #46
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And its really hard to put the dizzy gear on backwards too but sh$t happens
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Old 11-16-2019, 10:50 AM   #47
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And its really hard to put the dizzy gear on backwards too but sh$t happens
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Backwards!
You mean like ccw DF!
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Old 11-16-2019, 11:17 AM   #48
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Backwards!
You mean like ccw DF!
Hey Geezer. Can you explain what “DF” means ?

So i guess this the way people get treated in this forum. Looks like i will be the one suspended. Poor soul.....hope he gets help !!!!

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Backwards!
You mean like ccw DF!
You sir are out of line. Dial it back please.
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Old 11-16-2019, 08:04 PM   #50
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I have thought of taking an old distributor and grinding the teeth off the gear. You could just drop it in and turn the rotor where you want it. You could also use it to prime the oil pump.
I just don't pull the distributor enough to make it worth my wild so I use a screwdriver.
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