1965 1/2 C10 Pickup

[LostMy65]

It's all good guys.
I think some posts were just understood wrong.
Although, there was a 60 minutes episode years back where people took their jewelry items in to a jeweler to get some work done, and the jeweler swapped out the higher quality diamond with a interior quality diamond.
If roller cams weren't available then for special order, then somewhere in the last 50 years, something got swapped out.

[jchav62]

This thread even got us long time members bickering with each other... that ain't good. I wish all the best to that truck though. It's a nice one...

[Indian113]

I just hope some lurker thinking about joining our group doesn't think we ALWAYS treat a NEW guy that way!

[Robert Haas]

Originally Posted by Indian113

I just hope some lurker thinking about joining our group doesn't think we ALWAYS treat a NEW guy that way!

Of course we don't.

This board is full of some incredibly kind and knowledgeable folk.

I think any lurker reading this thread would be proud of how well disinformation and outright deceit is dealt with.


Think of the other side of this equation. A person posts obviously wrong information, and nobody calls him on it. The Lurker would see that and feel we have little to nothing in terms of knowledge to offer.

The OP has been given numerous opportunities to walk back his statements. Even when given very informative and fact based data that is easily verified. However this did nothing to assist the OP so it was now just a matter of being honest.

I am no spring chicken. Been around the sun nearly 60 laps and one thing that amount of time gives a person is the ability to sniff out a load of BS.

[The Rocknrod]

Originally Posted by Robert Haas

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I am no spring chicken. Been around the sun nearly 60 laps and one thing that amount of time gives a person is the ability to sniff out a load of BS.

Amen!
60 myself. I don't know how that happened I thought I'd be dead by 30. God played a trick on me.

[Robert Haas]

Looking at this picture I have several questions.

Anyone ever seen a factory sway bar on a 66?

That sure ain't a power steering set up.


GMC and many Chevies used the ram assist and the 67 came with either that or a Spicer box

[The Rocknrod]

Came from the factory that way.

[LostMy65]

I just went back through this thread from beginning.
I don't think Salty is lying. He honestly believes what he thinks he has. It may turn out. He came asking for help and verification. Some said what he believes is most likely not the case,
Nothing wrong with that.

[60-66]

Originally Posted by Robert Haas

Looking at this picture I have several questions.

Anyone ever seen a factory sway bar on a 66?

That sure ain't a power steering set up.


GMC and many Chevies used the ram assist and the 67 came with either that or a Spicer box


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Yes , it was the small dia sway bar but that is factory. Have a couple trucks with them. You see them more on Camper Specials. If the frame bracket is riveted to the frame its assembly line installed . Option code is F59 for front sway bar

Originally Posted by The Rocknrod

Came from the factory that way.

Sway bar is correct option F59.

Originally Posted by LostMy65

I just went back through this thread from beginning.
I don't think Salty is lying. He honestly believes what he thinks he has. It may turn out. He came asking for help and verification. Some said what he believes is most likely not the case,
Nothing wrong with that.

If in fact that block is corvette , it was dealer installed. He worked at the dealership it came from so anything is possible after it was delivered.

[jocko]

Wow! I gotta keep up, I'm missin out on all the drama!!

First off - welcome to the site Salty (believe it or not) we're glad to have you. I really like your truck and it's cool to be the original owner of one of these beauties. I'm looking forward to pictures when you get it back.

Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth, which is probably somewhere south of 2 cents...

Just because an out of state machine shop guy has rebuilt a few engines (ok, even a LOT of engines) doesn't make him an expert on what Chevrolet had on the shelf that could even accidentally or out of convenience/availability make it into a vehicle in late 65. I would, however, expect an engine rebuilder to know the difference between a roller cam and ANY other type of cam. Of course he can INSTALL a roller cam now, but that isn't what this discussion has been about - it's about what he pulled out of it that has supposedly been there since late 65, right? I may have missed it - but I thought it was stated or implied that this engine has never been apart? Is that correct Salty? If so, then do I understand correctly that you've never seen the original cam either? I mean - did the out of state guy physically remove it and not you?

So, while very unlikely, it is at least POSSIBLE that an L79 could make it into this truck, it is not feasible that it snuck into it with a roller cam in a factory GM engine, because they had not yet invented/produced any for the sbc.

So I think what we have here is a very cool old truck and a mis-communication from the mechanic. Again, just my 2 cents. But if a month from now the mechanic says "doh, sorry, I meant to say hydraulic" we're all gonna feel kinda silly about arguing over it
All good - can't wait to see the pics. And if your mechanic could send you a pic of the lifters he removed, even just 1 of them, it would be so awesome.

again - welcome Salty, very cool old truck.

[60-66]

Originally Posted by jocko

So, while very unlikely, it is at least POSSIBLE that an L79 could make it into this truck

Not really Jocko , L79 had bigger cam that didnt work with a powerglide , Aluminum intake and a holley. Thats what we are getting at , its not a combination that Chevrolet would have let go through because it wont work together. Personally its either a truck 327 with a cam swap etc or a dealer installed swap. Theres a 61 1/2 ton floating around here with a 348 that was done 6 months after it was bought new, has papers from the dealership. Doesn't make it factory

[Robert Haas]

Originally Posted by 60-66

Yes , it was the small dia sway bar but that is factory. Have a couple trucks with them. You see them more on Camper Specials. If the frame bracket is riveted to the frame its assembly line installed . Option code is F59 for front sway bar



Sway bar is correct option F59.
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Thank you, that is why this site rocks. Gentleman like yourself have so much info and you give it out for free.

[jocko]

Originally Posted by 60-66

Not really Jocko , L79 had bigger cam that didnt work with a powerglide , Aluminum intake and a holley. Thats what we are getting at , its not a combination that Chevrolet would have let go through because it wont work together. Personally its either a truck 327 with a cam swap etc or a dealer installed swap. Theres a 61 1/2 ton floating around here with a 348 that was done 6 months after it was bought new, has papers from the dealership. Doesn't make it factory

Not in disageeement - note I said "make it into the truck" - I'm not excluding a dealer install, I agree that's the only way I could ever see this happening. I should've been a little more clear. Now, about the roller....

[Brad54]

Well, let's look at what we've been told so far:
High-horse Corvette 327 installed in front of a PowerGlide, in a truck.
Roller Cam in the 327, making it the ONLY 327 to ever leave the factory with a roller cam in it.
Look, the Corvette restorers know every piddly little detail about their cars, broken down to changes made starting with a specific VIN number. They not only know what was available on their cars, they know what specific car was the first one to have it.
There simply were no roller cams in 327 from the factory.

(The engine builder is putting one in now, according to the lifters in the pic... but it ain't factory.)

The Corvette engine also required Premium fuel, due to its compression ratio.
Salty, did you run Premium in the truck since new?

A vacuum gauge installed from the factory in the empty hole in the instrument cluster. Possible. But not likely. (some GMs did come with factory vacuum gauges on performance cars, but I don't think any of us have heard of it on a 1/2-ton small block truck).

No Protect-O-Plate.

[64 Stepside]

This thread kinda got ugly, hope it settles out and we and the OP learns what Chevrolet did put in with his very cool truck. Just my opinion but I think the machine shop got it wrong. Make sure you get the old parts back with the motor and get a second opinion.

[The Rocknrod]

It didn't get ugly it got truthfully informative. What is claimed cannot have happened - case closed.

[61K10]

in respond to 60-66 L79 cam--put one in my 63 chevy 327 250hp engine back in 1970 with a power-guide. Idled just fine, no surging at all. I just love all the experts on this. I have run every chevy cam that was ever produced back then.
Isky patented the cross bar solid roller lifter back in 1958--

[nail pounder]

I highly doubt an 80yr old salty dog would just join the forum to try and BS everyone. I'm sure he wanted to meet like minded gear heads with 60-66 trucks. I know I have forgotten things I did 20yrs ago, so it's possible something slipped his mind over the last 50. Honestly I'm leaning towards the engine builder trying to burn him theory rather than "he's a liar". Welcome salty dog, I'm looking forward to seeing you restore your truck.

[dtkarst]

Who cares? He's got a nice pickup that almost every board member would love to have a should appreciate, since that's what this forum is partially about. While most posts have been correcting misinformation and so on and so forth, it's a dead issue..only one member owns the damn thing so let i be appreciated. I know I'd like to own it. As Michael Keaton said in the movie "The Other Guys".."Shake you d*cks, this pissing contest is over." Lol

[LostMy65]

6 pages later and all I know is that somebody is wrong.
Like I said early on in this thread:
Let 80 years old Salty enjoy his mostest rarestestes truck ever built.

[rvrfoot]

We need to set back and wait for the motor to be rebuilt. Then see the pictures that i asked for in post 11. Then we can see what he has.

[oem4me]

Informed opinions are what keep this forum interesting. New members with interesting trucks are equally important. Take away those and we are left with endless posts on which tire to use with which drop, or angry rants about why aftermarket patch panels won't fit.
Bottom line here is this appears to be an interesting truck with an interesting history. Some historical "facts" may or may not be accurate as stated. I forget things, and I know I'm not alone.
I say we give the OP a chance to substantiate his claims, while pointing out what we know to be unlikely.
Nobody needs to take any offense or give it either.
I can't fathom anyone being so bored with life that they would masquerade as an honest owner just to troll the masses with lies.
That's just not possible ... er, I don't think..

[shp4man]

Originally Posted by oem4me

I can't fathom anyone being so bored with life that they would masquerade as an honest owner just to troll the masses with lies.
That's just not possible ... er, I don't think..

LOL. Internet much?

[LostMy65]

Originally Posted by shp4man

LOL. Internet much?

Tech forums are the troll's playground.
Maybe even some of the Car forums.
I just haven't really seen it here. Us older truck guys are generally a nicer group of people.
But yes, Flaming, Baiting, and Trolling is a huge part of the internet.

[Sweeney]

Is there any chance that the machine shop meant to say, roller rockers?

Did this get wrapped around the axle due to some miscommunication as simple as that?